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ProfessorScience, do games w Large Language Models in Video Games?

I think using LLMs to provide the dialog for NPCs in a RPG is a use case that’s just begging to happen. Ie townsfolk that don’t just give the same few replies every time, and who react to things you’ve done in the past beyond just whatever prewritten options the developer thought of.

Undearius,
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For those that haven’t seen it, this produces hilarious results.

youtube.com/watch?v=vWMLVZF3pGc

DudeDudenson,

Even with the annoying YouTuber trying to make silly content out of it I’d say it actually kept into the roleplay pretty well

474D,

Wow, even with its flaws, that went way smoother than I expected

Stovetop,

That is…actually far better than I thought it would be. It’s clearly not ready yet, but I could see the potential.

The AI model is too happy to serve the whims of the player, but if there was a better model that could actually be hooked in to me hanics like personality scores or reputation, I could see that as an interesting gameplay system. It also needs more checks on what they are and aren’t supposed to know (e.g. why would a Skyrim NPC associate the name Batman with heroism, or why would they know who Gandalf is?).

A (digital) setup like Westworld is probably in the cards someday. Hopefully with more checks in place to keep the AI from rising up though!

dp290,

Thanks for sharing, this set me off down the rabbit hole, and it seems this is now a popular and viable skyrim mod for organic dialogue with NPCs: www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/…/98631

Pretty mind blowing!!

Fades,

Awesome find!

Zarxrax,

I feel like if an NPC doesn’t have something meaningful to say, then they may as well not exist. Otherwise they just serve to waste the players time.

FelixCress,

It is called “flavour”

Kichae,

“How dare there be an active world in my murder hobo wankfest?”

AmidFuror,

They did this in Free City, and one of the bank tellers became indistinguishable from a player.

Even_Adder,

What is Free City? I can’t figure it out from what I found in me searches.

AmidFuror,
Elevator7009sAlt,

If the feature actually worked as intended I could see myself ignoring the rest of the game and just chatting with the townsfolk.

In reality, I imagine the NPC would totally forget what we were talking about after a certain amount of messages pass. Limited context windows and all that jazz.

torsday,

A challenge game developers have talked about with integrating LLMs is keeping the dialogue matched to the game world, e.g. you don’t want a Skyrim NPC mentioning a cell phone.

Fades,

This is my number one request for being AI to games, it would be so awesome for immersion like you say

digdilem, do gaming w This ain't balanced at all!

No matter how many buttons I mash, I can’t seem to activate the cheat codes.

Sidyctism2, do games w Metal Gear Rising is seriously overrated

sorry but everything you wrote honestly sounds like “this game is not for me, therefore its bad”

catloaf,

Oh, you should look at their post history.

john89,

Not really.

It’s mediocre and lazy.

Fact.

The swordplay is neutered because doing what they had in the tech demo was ‘too hard’ for obsidian.

Fact.

The story is forgettable, along with pretty much everything else about the game.

Opinion, but this is what people are agreeing with me on so…

The MGS games are classics. Rising just rode their coattails and had memers at the helm.

Fact.

You’re just upset because I dared to be critical of something you and the bandwagon enjoy.

Fact.

Sidyctism2,

You’re just upset because I dared to be critical of something you and the bandwagon enjoy.

“my opinion is unpopular, therefore i must be right” will never not be hilarious to me. but hey, go ahead and enjoy the metal gear games. i heard they are a bit underground, but that seems to suit your style

john89,

Keep finding ways to justify your enjoyment of a mediocre product.

As long as you’re part of the bandwagon, you’re in company.

Sidyctism2,

Ohh dont worry, ill recite the lords prayer five times to repent for having fun with a trash game

LouNeko, do games w Metal Gear Rising is seriously overrated

I tried it but I couldn’t get over the fact that there is no dedicated parry/block button. Also the game looks horribly dated with muddy textures and environments.

It doesn’t have the soul of a Metal Gear game. Its quite literally Bayonetta with a Metal Gear reskin. Metal Gears gameplay is mostly about player freedom. You have to get from point A to B and how you do it is up to you. Rising takes all of that away, just hack and slash to kill everybody. Its still fun, but definitely not a Metal Gear players cup of tea.

I had the same realization about 40K Space Marine (the old one). When it originally cane out I loved it, but I replayed it a few months ago and realized that its kind of bad. Its just corridor, arena, corridor, arena, corridor,… There’s not really anything to it, not even the story. Why is it so highly praised? Because back when we first played it we thought it was cool and nostalgia is a powerful thing.

I only played Rising recently precisely because back when it came out it deviated so much from the first Trailers. I wanted Metal Gear Solid 4 but with Raiden, but what we got was Metal Gear Devil May Cry.

callouscomic, do games w Metal Gear Rising is seriously overrated

It’s not what we should have gotten in terms of Metal Gear story. In terms of a solid game with good gameplay and a decent story, it’s fantastic. Not every game needs to be open world, require 200 hours, or be live service.

john89,

Not every game needs to be open world, require 200 hours, or be live service.

Right. And all of the MGS games that don’t have these are better than rising.

It’s not fantastic. It’s mediocre and lazy. The swordplay is neutered because doing what they had in the tech demo was ‘too hard’ for obsidian. The story is forgettable, along with pretty much everything else about the game.

The MGS games are classics. Rising just rode their coattails and had memers at the helm.

misk, do games w Metal Gear Rising is seriously overrated
@misk@sopuli.xyz avatar

This post is overrated, you Philistine.

john89,

I’m the exact opposite of a philistine, which is why I’m not afraid to be critical of garbage like this.

It was overhyped and underdelivered. Unfortunately, the snowball effect has taken hold so those who cannot think for themselves will never realize it.

Kolanaki,
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Philistine - a person who is hostile or indifferent to culture and the arts, or who has no understanding of them.

I think you fall into the latter part in this case.

john89,

Not really. You’re just upset because I dared to be critical of something you and the bandwagon like.

Unfortunately, the snowball effect has taken hold so those who cannot think for themselves will never realize it.

I rest my case.

Kolanaki,
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Being critical usually comes with reasons and not “it’s shit and everyone who likes it is dumb.” You’re not actually being critical. You’re just hating.

john89,

I have provided reasons, although I also don’t need to.

I’m guessing you wouldn’t be this upset if I said Metal Gear Rising is good without providing reasons?

Dark_Arc, (edited ) do games w RuneScape is planning on introducing Black Mirror inspired membership plans
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

Come join !brightershores and get away from this mess

MothmanDelorian,

Checking that out later today. Thanks for the suggestion!

Dark_Arc,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

It’s definitely still an early access game, but it’s progressing nicely, incredibly stable, charming, backed by a passionate team, and well priced.

Gerudo, do games w RuneScape is planning on introducing Black Mirror inspired membership plans

The 10 bucks a month per extra character slot really stood out to me as the icing on the shit cake.

FartsWithAnAccent, do games w RuneScape is planning on introducing Black Mirror inspired membership plans
@FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io avatar

What a ripoff lol

Die4Ever, do games w Games Done Quick from home is a waste of time

nah I enjoy it a lot, and so do many others lol

(their real events, Hotfix not as much)

john89,

That’s nice, but even the views reflect my opinion.

PineRune, do games w RuneScape is planning on introducing Black Mirror inspired membership plans

$32.49/month

I’m sorry, what?! For RuneScape? I don’t know any other MMORPGs that charge that much, let alone for the simple game that RuneScape is.

shalafi,

Simple strategy. You lose the low value customers, retain the spenders. Less cost for infrastructure, employees, all that.

They’re likely cutting it too close with the cost, but what do I know, I don’t pay for jack.

EarMaster,

This is what Stop Killing Games will look like…we should get used to it…

bizzle,
@bizzle@lemmy.world avatar

Trash tier take

EarMaster,

You can downvote all you want, but that is the logical escape the industry will take. They will make the online part of games expensive to pay until no one wants to play it or pays them an absurd amount.

Kelly,

It sounds dangerous.

Don’t you need the playerbase to attract and retain the whales?

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Only on PVP focused games

Almrond,

Which is very much OSRS. PvP is what single-handedly holds up the game economy there, while mega-rares and discontinued items prop it up in RS3.

DoucheBagMcSwag,

Fucking hell even XIV isn’t that much… And is a better game IMO

Graphy, do games w RuneScape is planning on introducing Black Mirror inspired membership plans

I sincerely hope that OSRS players don’t rollover on this one but I’m not holding my breath.

Reading the CEO comments the other day really highlighted how tired I am of corporate speak and just how patronizing it is.

Dark_Arc,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

Jagex is particularly guilty of this

Aielman15, do games w Games Done Quick from home is a waste of time
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

Refuses to elaborate

Leaves

john89,

I answered the person who asked why.

Soulifix,

You had the power to like edit the post and add your commentary into it. No excuse. Then again, you didn't even offer anything insightful as to the reason. Wow, just a one-liner that offered up absolutely no thought put into it.

john89,

Lol, you’re literally wrong and here you are still arguing with me.

Goodbye, gonna block you now.

Soulifix,

Okay, child. Let us know when you've grown up.

Or don't since you don't have the thought process to make a coherent thought for anybody to read.

jjagaimo, do gaming w This ain't balanced at all!
@jjagaimo@sh.itjust.works avatar

The graphics are trash because I have the “Poor Eyesight” nwgative trait, which requires glasses to see well. I also got the “Hyperfocus” trait which is a mixed bag. Too bad the skill point for poor eyesight didnt get used so now my character’s got the depressed moodle

AnarchistArtificer,

I got that trait too. When I first picked it up, some 18 years into the game, I didn’t mind too much, but I didn’t realise that the trait gets worse as you level up? Apparently the version of the trait that my character has can be prevented from progressing by spending more time “outside”, but that just sounds like a scam intended to make me spend more on some new dlc or something.

I agree that hyper focus is a mixed bag. I’ve heard it works best for players with a really clear plan for their character build, so they can use the buffs most strategically, but I have no idea how people can make effective characters based on such RNG mechanics.

Regarding the depressed moodle, I feel your pain; I feel like whoever designed this game needs to read about reinforcing and balancing feedback loops, because it’s fucking dreadful with how easy it is to get into a losing spiral, where you end up with such severe debuffs that it feels impossible to get out of. Honestly, even though all my friends play this game and seem to have a lot of fun in it, I’ve come close to just stopping playing a few times, with how unfun it is.

This might not be helpful advice, because the effect doesn’t seem to proc for everyone, but apparently when you’ve been stuck with the depressed moodlet for a long time (and apparently some other conditions), you start to receive a hidden xp bonus to routine tasks. I always thought it was bullshit they told people to keep them playing, but I tried it once (almost out of spite to prove that it wouldn’t work), and I found that yeah, I did actually see bonus progression from lower level tasks that wouldn’t ordinarily give xp. I found that the “showering” and “eating” tasks were the highest yield, but the xp-farming loop was too grindy and I got burnt out too easily to keep it up alongside the debuffs. I found that the xp multiplier still applied to smaller quests though, like “use wet-wipes to approximate a shower”, or “eat a snack”, and I could do those things close enough to my daily respawn point that it was easy enough to do on the side.

This certainly isn’t a solution though. Like I say, the balancing of this game is out of whack, and it sounds like you’ve been having a grim time of it. I hope that you’re able to break out of this cycle somehow and find aspects of the game you can engage in again, whether that happens via the game gets a big balancing update (unrealistic hope with these devs, I know), or something other way (such as grinding, or finding an exploit in the code that allows you to shed your debuffs)

CurlyWurlies4All, do games w Got any must-play games for strategy fans?
@CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net avatar

One game that we always play at LANs is Spellforce III . It’s got a great old school RTS vibe while throwing some new stuff in the mix and there’s a free version of the multiplayer which gives it a really low barrier of entry.

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