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hstde, do games w What is the next "grown up game" now that Minecraft only goes for children?

If you still like Minecraft, you can go back to a version you are interested in. Many people are still playing beta 1.7.3. Maybe try the “Better than adventure” mod.

Also have a look at vintage story.

haui_lemmy,

Thats an awesome idea! I might do this. Thanks.

Annoyed_Crabby, do games w What is the next "grown up game" now that Minecraft only goes for children?

Why spend time worry about what toxic gamer think?

haui_lemmy,

I dont. My point was the game changed to cater to a different audience and I am fed up by it.

DeGandalf,
@DeGandalf@kbin.social avatar

Sure, the Mojang team itself tried to make it more accessible, which is a very reasonable thing to do for any game really. I know there are many games, where a wiki is mandatory, buta game should explain itself, so I understand why they did that.

However (although I haven't really followed it) the community still seems to be pretty much the same as before to me. If anything the stuff they archieved is even bigger, than back then. Stuff like Distant Horizons or the Create Mod could simply nit have existed back then.

What I'm getting at is that you don't have to play vanilla and there are more possibilities than ever before (including lots and lots of modpacks and servers, which definitely do need an external wiki)

haui_lemmy,

I like your take. I‘m perfectly fine with differing opinions.

Back when I started playing there was no community so the difference is pretty large but I get how its cool to many and bad for a few. As it is often in life. Is that reason to be frustrated? For me it is.

DeGandalf,
@DeGandalf@kbin.social avatar

"Back when I started playing there was no community"
I'm sorry but that's just... false. Maybe you weren't aware of it, but even in the Beta there were already mods. I myself started playing in 1.0 and played until around 1.7 and basically all the playtime I have was playing on servers or modding the shit out of this game. (Back then you actually needed to do that manually, as mod launchers weren't a thing)

So I'm still a bit confused as to why you are frustrated, since noone is forcing you to play the new vanilla versions.

haui_lemmy,

I know it’s great to be right and all but showing others why their experiences actually didnt happen does not benefit anyone. I played minecraft in the browser first, approximately the classic version. You can argue all you want that more than two people technically constitute a community but it doesn’t in reality.

gnomesaiyan,
@gnomesaiyan@lemmy.world avatar

I started playing Minecraft Oct. 2010, and despite what you think, it wasn’t a “grown up game” and a LOT of kids played back then as they do today.

Meanwhile, if you don’t like the state of affairs in gaming, make your own game or help someone make one, but don’t come here with a shitty attitude that nothing meets your expectations. Be the change you want to see.

haui_lemmy,

You can keep your condescending attitude to yourself. I‘m perfectly allowed to be unhappy about things and you cant do shit against it. Don’t like it? your problem.

The game was totally different back then and just because kids played it in 2010 doesnt mean I‘m wrong to think it didnt need the additions I mentioned.

wildginger,

The game is really not that different, you can play old versions just fine, and mods easily add or subtract any mechanics you like.

Its not minecraft bud

Deestan, do games w What is the next "grown up game" now that Minecraft only goes for children?

The judgemental attitude and self victimization detract from your post. You’ll find people to be friendlier and more helpful to you if you manage to tone it differently.

Anyway! It sounds like you want games that prioritize being interesting over being popular? Dwarf Fortress would be my immediate thought.

haui_lemmy,

There is no judgement and no self victimisation in my post. Minecraft changed drastically from what it was and I‘m fully allowed to not like it.

But thanks for the suggestion dwarf fortress seems to be quite the thing to try. Will check it out.

dj1936, do parlamentarna w Żarty, żartami, ale jak sądzicie co wydarzy się podczas protestu 11 stycznia?
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I co się wydarzyło? Nie widziałem zadnej relacji.

harcesz,
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Jak to demonstracja - przyszli, poszli, podobno 30-35 tysięcy.

savbran, do games w What is the next "grown up game" now that Minecraft only goes for children?

I think the best approach is: search, try and stick with games you enjoy the most 🙂

mholiv, do games w What is the next "grown up game" now that Minecraft only goes for children?

Slightly off topic here, but the most “grown up” way to play “grown up” games is to just play what you want and not care about what people think.

If you like Minecraft stick with it. Or just play any other games you enjoy. Only kids care what their peers think of the games they play.

haui_lemmy,

Its not about what people (or peers) think. Its about the fact that minecraft isnt as fun as it used to be. Sorry if that wasnt clear from my post.

Pons_Aelius,

Its about the fact that minecraft isnt as fun as it used to be (to you)

It sounds more like you have changed, rather than minecraft.

That is normal. People's tastes change.

What do you think are currently games that are not focused on children and have great potential?

That is such an open ended question as to be impossible to really answer well.

You have stated you no longer enjoy minecraft but not what you do like playing. So again, quite hard to make a recommendation.

Do you want building sims? Tropico or Cities: Skylines.

Other than that, I have no idea what to recommend.

haui_lemmy,

Thanks for the feedback.

I do enjoy games like factorio, satisfactory, now jagged alliance 3, dyson sphere program, witcher (1+3, 2 not so much).

The thing that I liked about minecraft was that it was so tough to get into and the mechanics we‘re pretty obscure. if you didnt spoil it for yourself by looking it up you could really watch your brain working.

I made a server where players really needed to think to get going but most new players gave up frustrated because it was too hard.

And thats ultimately what bothers me. Minecraft in its infancy was cool for me for totally different reasons than for others (especially now) and I‘m probably just fed up with being the oddball all the time.

That make sense?

Pons_Aelius, (edited )

That make sense?

Yes, it does.

It sounds like the discovery of the mechanics was more rewarding for you as making progress and winning.

I‘m probably just fed up with being the oddball all the time.

Don't be. It is the oddballs of the world that are actually the agents of change.

Having read this I would suggest you have a look at Kerbal space program. On the surface it is a fairly simple game but the mechanics of actual space flight are very complex.

A good XKCD about Kerbal.

haui_lemmy,

Thanks for the suggestion. I actually own that game. It’s a lot of fun, i agree.

B0NK3RS,
@B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

The game has changed a lot but also you might have too.

haui_lemmy,

Thats a good point. I did change as well.

Eggyhead, do games w Playing Pillars of Eternity for the first time
@Eggyhead@kbin.social avatar

I think I have this game on switch. I only played a little bit and gave up because I sucked so much. Maybe I should do exactly as you are, get it for cheap on deck and scale down the difficulty to story mode. I've heard it was a good game.

Ashen44, do gaming w What are some good games that have a bad reputation due to unreasonable expectations?

I’ll throw my hat into this ring with Monster Hunter Rise. I often spend my time browsing monster hunter content and almost every time Rise gets brought up it’s just to talk about how much worse it is than World. I’ll say it now, yes I also prefer World to Rise, but holy fuck do I still love Rise.

To start with, let’s compare the two. Monster Hunter is developed by 2 teams who take turns making games. World was developed by the mainline team who are known for more grounded and polished games. Rise was developed by the portable team who are known for flashier and more experimental games. Most players started the Monster Hunter series with World (it’s Capcom’s #1 best selling game of all time after all) and so going from the high detail immersive World to the action packed fast paced Rise was extremely jarring. A massive portion of the hate just comes from the fact that it was different.

Also, as you can probably guess from the name, the portable team makes games for portable systems, such as the Switch, which immediately gives them less power to work with system-wise. Couple this with the fact that Rise was developed during the pandemic, and Rise was really dealt a rough hand. Graphically it’s a massive downgrade from World, and it even ended up releasing without an ending or any non-scripted elder dragon fights.

In spite of all this, even though Rise lacks a ton of the personality and charm of World, it’s still an absolute blast to play! The combat is stellar, and while it may not have the weight World had, its fluidity and high adrenaline action makes it some of the best in the series. The sunbreak expansion especially really improved the game in every single way, fixing a ton of the issues people had with the base game. I feel that most players already moved on after base Rise and so didn’t get to experience that improvement unfortunately.

TL;DR play Monster Hunter Rise. It’s really good. Just don’t go in expecting the same experience as World.

jjjalljs, do games w Playing Pillars of Eternity for the first time

Pillars of Eternity is very good. The writing is fun and I liked a lot of the classes. Especially Cipher.

I think the second one is better though. You get a ship! And the powers are per-fight instead of per-rest, so you don’t have to worry about camping much at all. Also multiclassing is fun. I wasn’t a heavy optimizer but my rogue/monk just punched stuff into chunks.

doggish,

It’s on my Steam wishlist. Since I already have a copy of Tyranny I’ll probably play that before Deadfire, but I definitely want to play it! Hopefully Avowed will be good too whenever that comes out.

ThemboMcBembo, do gaming w What are some good games that have a bad reputation due to unreasonable expectations?
@ThemboMcBembo@beehaw.org avatar

Definitely No Man’s Sky

It was bad at launch, sure, but the expectations of the game were way outta proportion to what a game could deliver on

Navarian,

The problem I had with no man’s sky is that a large amount of the out of proportion expectations were a direct result of the developers over promising, rather than consumers just being over hyped.

Pheonixdown, do games w Has any of you ever tried the "Ragnok 2 gun mouse"? If so, how good is it?

That looks awful.

If you want an actual egro vertical mouse, don’t buy a gimmick. I’ve got both wired and wireless zelotes vertical mice from Amazon, would recommend.

GustavoM,
@GustavoM@lemmy.world avatar

Will do! Thanks for the tip.

Stalinwolf, do games w Playing Pillars of Eternity for the first time
@Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca avatar

I was enjoying it until I reached the first city. I hate city portions of RPGs.

wintermutehal, do games w Playing Pillars of Eternity for the first time

As a soon potential buyer, how is the track pad for mouse central games? My biggest concern is playing old crpgs with anything like the control scheme on Switch. It was a waste of 30 bucks to get Baldur‘s Gate on Switch for the control alone in my experience.

doggish,

I love it. The key is setting the triggers as the left and right clicks though. I find clicking the trackpad not great for precision. There is a certain level of tinkering/customizing that will be needed to get the most out of the controls.

I’ve played several 20 year old FPS games with absolutely no native controller support and completed them all. If you put in a little work in getting the controls how you like them it makes it hard to play stuff without all the Steam Deck options.

Macaroni_ninja,
@Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world avatar

Trackpad mouse controls are great, even for strategy games. You can fine tune them even further if default is not for your liking.

Aside from the Steam OS I think the trackpads are the other big feature for me to choose SD over the competition.

Jaysyn, do games w Playing Pillars of Eternity for the first time
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

Great game. If you even remotely like PoE, give Tyranny a try.

MeanEYE,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

I actually loved Tyranny more, but act 3 is seriously rushed. Also new game+ is meh at best.

micka190,

Tyranny was such a fun game (rushed act 3 aside). I really wish we’d get more games that explore being the bad guys without:

  • Immediately trying to overthrow them
  • Making it into a joke/comedy
MeanEYE,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

True true. We need more anti-heroes.

micka190,

No no no, see that’s the opposite of what I want. I want more games where you can just straight-up be the villains. Not an anti-hero, not someone who’s trying to change the system from within, not a secret rebel who needs to go along with the bad stuff to keep their cover.

I want more games where you can just be a villain. I want more games where you can rob the banks, kill the NPCs that aren’t listening, have a big fortress of doom, and fight-off heroes who are trying to stop you.

Not because of some gray moral backstory that somehow justifies some of it (or that will have people jumping through hoops to justify it like with Mr. Freeze and his wife).

Just because you can.

Tyranny gives you a bunch of options to just be evil and not enough RPGs do that properly.

MeanEYE,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Ah, I misunderstood you. Yeah, it would be refreshing to see that as well.

Macaroni_ninja,
@Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world avatar

I loved Tyranny, but the combat was much worse compared to PoE. For newcomers I would recommend the lowest difficulty setting so they can enjoy the excellent writing and story.

idunnololz,
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

Dammit PoE is way too overloaded of an acronym. I thought you were referring to Path of Exile and got confused.

Shurimal,

Power over Ethernet
Perl Object Environment
PowerOpen Environment
Product of Experts
Platform for Open Exploration
Post Occupancy Evaluation
Port of entry

I'm sure there are more.

idunnololz,
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

Power of Evil :^)

doctorzeromd, do games w Playing Pillars of Eternity for the first time

What other crpg style games have you played and enjoyed? I’m trying to figure out if I should play it or give something else a shot

Bassman1805,

BG3 runs like a dream on steam deck.

Virulent,

Until act 3 😬😬

doggish,

I’m sure I’ll pick it up eventually. One of my friends had to have a talk with her husband about how much she was playing that game.

snugglesthefalse,

BG3 isn’t a bad game but it hasn’t really grabbed me.

Macaroni_ninja,
@Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world avatar

On what settings? Mine mimics a jet engine every time I fire up BG3, no matter what settings or scaling I used so far and I already have the quieter fan in the SD.

maniacal_gaff,

I think Divinity Original Sin 1 and 2 are better gameplay wise but the world building and lore in Pillars is unmatched.

doggish,

I wanted to check out Pillars because I think Avowed looks cool, but I do see Divinity Original Sin 2 on sale pretty frequently so I might pick it up. I’m still trying to take a big bite out of my backlog before buying more games I won’t end up playing for years. (I finally played GTA5 last month.)

bionicjoey,

Personally I was a huge fan of Tyranny. It’s built on the same engine as POE, but I liked the story, worldbuilding, and characters a lot more.

doggish,

I also got that game for free from Amazon and I’m planning on playing that next! The premise is pretty cool!

WadeTheWizard,
@WadeTheWizard@kbin.social avatar

We need more villain-as-protagonist games. Tyranny giving you evil choices that were both meaningful, and reasonable, is so much better than the usual "I'm the hero, but I do enjoy kicking puppies on weekends" evil choices in most RPGs.

bionicjoey, (edited )

The thing is, it’s not really villain-as-protagonist. It’s more like “goon-as-protagonist”. You are just a cog in the real villain’s machine. That’s why the choices are so interesting. Because they are often trolley-problems constrained by the world Kyros has created. So you don’t get choices like “will you kill this baby or not” because then it’s easy to not be the bad guy. You get choices like “Kyros demands someone from this town is getting killed. You can choose this baby or this old person. You can also choose not to make a choice, but that would be shirking your job as a judge and omniscient daddy Tunon wouldn’t like it”

doggish,

I loved the original Fallout games. Pillars is a lot like the original two Baldur’s Gate games and the other games like it. Icewind Dale and Planescape Torment. Though I haven’t really earnestly played any of them. I did play the Dark Alliance games when they were new and I was a kid, but those are action RPGs.

Amaltheamannen,

The two Pathfinder games by owlcat are also great.

Stamau123,

Torment: tides of Numenera plays similar to PoE, although I’m mainly recommending it because it was my gateway into the Numenera universe, itself more interesting than the OK game.

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