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CaptainBasculin, do games w Steam is cracking down on porn games, to keep Payment Processors happy.

Steam: I consent

Adult eroge players: I consent

Payment companies: I don’t

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

I mean, that’s exactly how third party payment systems have always worked. 🙄

I guess you can always try buying your porn game with Bitcoin or something.

Eheran,

“we have always done it like that” is not an argument for of against anything. It is a mere observation.

Whitebrow,

At the workplace if anybody says “we’ve always done it this way” during a meeting where we tackle a problem, that means it’s time to change the hubris because it clearly doesn’t work for us anymore.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

not an argument for of against anything

Right. It’s a system of economic exchange, not a moral position. There are ways around this system, but they’re time consuming and annoying to accomplish. So the vendors tend to take the path of least resistance when setting their internal policies. You were taught about Free Markets as this perfect, frictionless vacuum of interactions between buyers and sellers, but it doesn’t work that way and never did.

For some reason, people seem to confuse being naive and gullible with being moral and upstanding.

SpaceNoodle,

Then why are they enforcing moral standards?

Nikls94,

Here I am, reading it as

why are they enforcing moral standards

73QjabParc34Vebq,

I guess you can always try buying your porn game with Bitcoin or something.

No you can't, PayPal made Valve remove them. Not remove the PayPal option for those specific titles.

echodot,

Did PayPal actually make valve remove them or did PayPal just say they didn’t want to provide payment processors for them and valve couldn’t be bothered to come up with a solution?

I can’t see why Paypal would care one way or the other if the games were available on the platform as long as PayPal don’t have to process the payment.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

PayPal made Valve remove them

You can buy games outside of the Steam store.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

“what’re you doing son”

“mining for porn”

ivanafterall,
@ivanafterall@lemmy.world avatar

Daylight or dark,

In rain or shine,

It don’t much matter

Down in the mine.

Where the tunnel’s deep,

Lord the air gets thin,

That’s the way of life

For the minin’ man.

Fredselfish,
@Fredselfish@lemmy.world avatar

Luckly I. can buy anime porn games straight from source dev. Just checked and my Treasure Hunter Claire is still in my library, so guess this affects only unbought games? But I also bought the game direct too.

themurphy, do games w Day 365 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing (One Year Anniversary!)

You did it, legend.

Congrats, it has been a fun ride so far! Halo 3 is an excellent choice!

BossDj, do games w Day 365 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing (One Year Anniversary!)
@BossDj@piefed.social avatar

Solid dedication! Nice work!

Thank you for contributing meaningfully to making this community awesome.

WalnutLum, do gaming w Steam is cracking down on porn games, to keep Payment Processors happy.

Visa continues to set the world’s content moderation policies extra-judicially.

Go figure having all electronic payments be through private companies would have eventual consequences.

Telorand,

The problem isn’t that they’re private, the problem is that there’s not many to choose from. Visa gets to throw their weight around, because they have a stranglehold on a huge swath of banks and businesses. MasterCard has another big chunk, and the rest go to AmEx and Discover.

If there were more providers to choose from, this would be a non-issue, but that wouldn’t be very capitalist (/s), and I doubt the big names would simply allow new competition.

WalnutLum, (edited )

The reason there’s so few is because people don’t want to have to figure out beforehand whether or not they can use the payment provider they have at the store they want to go to.

I’ve seen this happen multiple times especially in Japan when the barcode payment craze started. There were like 13 competing payment providers and now there are 2. Because people don’t want to have to carry around 13 different types of card or payment types and have 13 different types of payments. They want one that works everywhere.

It’s why there needs to be sovereign digital payment systems that are legally enforced.

Telorand,

Yeah, like what need is there for these intermediaries in the first place? I get that there was probably a need once upon a time, but that seems superfluous now

Appoxo, (edited )
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

In Germany we usually use Debit bank cards for payment (if something like a credit card isnt included).
The GiroCard is standard across all banks and usually every shop accepts that method.
Problem is: They don’t work on the interwebz.

theangriestbird,

where do we think we would be at at this point if electronic payments were handled by government entities? Not trying to defend Visa or Mastercard, just genuinely curious what others think.

t3rmit3,

We’d be in the same place. It’s not any better or worse for a private versus a public entity to do harm.

Also, the government is already part of this. If the DOJ told Visa, “hey, stop fucking around with that, you don’t need to be trying to control legal agreements between parties, that’s our purview” (or if they even thought the DOJ might), they’d drop this behavior in an instant. They are doing this in large part because they believe it is in line with the government’s ideology. Preemptive compliance.

WalnutLum,

True to some degree if you’re an American, but this is Visa setting internal policy for American politics, and that reflecting globally.

Not every country has the same laws or politics that the US does.

t3rmit3,

Every company is headquartered somewhere, or has some market that it cannot afford to withdraw from, and that makes them all ultimately subject to said governments. No business decision is made free from pressure when it comes to governments.

WalnutLum,

Again, the issue is this is an American company setting American content policy internationally.

Storefronts and brands can set up local branches and sell through those using the local digital payment provider without getting in trouble with their headquarter’d country. They can’t do that with a private entity that’s decided to set their global content policy to align with America’s.

t3rmit3, (edited )

Again, the issue is this is an American company setting American content policy internationally.

That is not the issue. That may be the subset of the issue that you have a problem with, but the actual issue is a payment provider setting purchase restrictions period. That it is happening in the US is not uniquely bad; it would be equally bad happening anywhere else.

Interpreting the international impact to be “the issue” would mean that if this were only affecting Americans, this would be fine, which is absolutely not the case.

Storefronts and brands can set up local branches and sell through those using the local digital payment provider without getting in trouble with their headquarter’d country.

To set up and sell in that country, they then have to comply with the local payment providers. Which shouldn’t be deciding whether people can purchase something, just as Visa shouldn’t be.

WalnutLum,

Wed probably be in a similar place, but the advantage of a private entity being that it can bridge the already existing digital payments, so if a store big enough like steam had the option to, they could integrate with that country’s digital payments directly.

NocturnalMorning, do gaming w Haven't we forgotten someone?

I don’t think so, looks right to me.

A_Union_of_Kobolds,

I actually loved my Charmeleon, you can get some great attacks for him that just wipe the floor with everything more or less.

But evolving him was always #1 priority, its true.

DamienGramatacus, do games w Day 365 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing (One Year Anniversary!)

Awesome job on the anniversary. I didn’t read everyday but I enjoyed seeing the posts. Your dedication to Lemmy content is admirable. Hats off to you.

Postmortal_Pop, do games w Day 365 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing (One Year Anniversary!)

Woot! One year!! Congrats my dude! Thanks for making Lemmy what it is.

toynbee, do games w Day 365 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing (One Year Anniversary!)

Happy anniversary!

knokelmaat, do gaming w Steam is cracking down on porn games, to keep Payment Processors happy.

I am the only one here thinking that Steam should have cracked down on incest themed porn games a long time ago?

Just to be clear, the title of this post is referring to porn games, but in actuality it is about games that literally feature incest (not the step-relative stuff that is so popular everywhere online). All major actual porn sites have rules against incest, but the biggest gaming marketplace on PC should allow it?

Just to make it clear, I find it detestable that this is done because of Visa, especially if this trend continues and suddenly other stuff becomes blocked, but in this case I feel it should have been done way earlier.

Faydaikin, (edited )
@Faydaikin@beehaw.org avatar

I’d hope it only refers to actual porn games. Would hate to see a game like RDR2 taken down because there’s a heavily implied incestuous relationship in the game.

kbobabob,

but in actuality it is about games that literally feature incest

A couple of things:

  1. So what? There’s probably all kinds of things out there you didn’t agree with.
  2. This is where they start. First they came for…
FairycorePhoebe,

I guess I don’t see an ethical difference between fictional “step” incest and fictional normal incest. In both cases it involves people that don’t exist. Plus all the ethical issues with incest carry over to step siblings anyway. The idea that one is ok and the other isn’t seems really silly to me.

breakcore, do games w Day 365 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing (One Year Anniversary!)

Yeeehaaaww 🤗

You have deserved a break now 💫

MyNameIsAtticus,
@MyNameIsAtticus@lemmy.world avatar

I’m going to sleep in late as a reward to myself lol. If tomorrow’s screenshot is something relaxing like Minecraft or Animal Crossing everyone will know why

CuriousRefugee, do games w Day 365 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing (One Year Anniversary!)

Congratulations on 1 year! I don’t read every day, but I’m glad when I do. Quite a commitment! Thanks so much for your contribution!

MyNameIsAtticus,
@MyNameIsAtticus@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you. It’s definitely a major undertaking from me and I’m glad to have made it this far

slimerancher, do games w Day 365 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing (One Year Anniversary!)
@slimerancher@lemmy.world avatar

Congratulations on the anniversary!

Anything that you “have to” do daily can start to feel like a chore, so glad to see that you are still enjoying these. I, like some others, don’t read daily but do peek in to look at the screenshots, so it’s nice to follow your journey. If you want to start streaming or your own site someday, this will be a good exercise to get you used to playing and reviewing games.

Oh, and Project Zomboid stories are still my favourite ones! Looking forward to reading your further exploits.

To another year!

MyNameIsAtticus,
@MyNameIsAtticus@lemmy.world avatar

I almost considered Zomboid for tonight lol. I didn’t end up doing it though because my Wi-Fi is abhorrent and it would have taken too long to install. Thanks for the support too! Seeing familiar faces like yours throughout the year has gotten nice

9tr6gyp3, do games w Day 365 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing (One Year Anniversary!)

What a journey! Thanks for sharing these over the past year 😁

simsalabim, do games w Steam is cracking down on porn games, to keep Payment Processors happy.

It’s easy to say that Valve should make a stand, but wouldn’t be able to sell games anymore.

Bronzebeard, do gaming w Haven't we forgotten someone?

Yes, Bulbasaur.

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