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Hadriscus, do games w IGN immediately lays off every non-UK person at their newly bought sites, including some key members like deputy editor Alice Bell

wtf. You can’t fire Alice, she is RPS

supersquirrel,

https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/e204aa97-08ab-4fd4-8a00-b72e4adb35ae.webp

one of the best people in games journalism fired because…?

Seriously fuck late stage capitalism ughh

AFC1886VCC, do games w IGN immediately lays off every non-UK person at their newly bought sites, including some key members like deputy editor Alice Bell

I haven’t cared about IGN since I was a horny teenager watching Jessica Chobot hosting the daily fix

hal_5700X, do games w IGN immediately lays off every non-UK person at their newly bought sites, including some key members like deputy editor Alice Bell

Let the IGN monopoly begin. Gaming journalism has been a joke for years now. But now it’s getting worst.

slaacaa, (edited ) do games w IGN immediately lays off every non-UK person at their newly bought sites, including some key members like deputy editor Alice Bell
  1. Governments should only allow big mergers in exceptional circumstances
  2. Big conglomerates should be broken up

They are bad for the workers, and bad for the consumers. Half of the time, also bad for the shareholders (according to an old McK study). Lives are being ruined for billionaires to gamble for more billions.

Mango, do games w IGN immediately lays off every non-UK person at their newly bought sites, including some key members like deputy editor Alice Bell

Did anyone ever think that any workplace anywhere is about the value produced and wages rather than tribalistic fuckshit?

shaytan, do games w IGN immediately lays off every non-UK person at their newly bought sites, including some key members like deputy editor Alice Bell
@shaytan@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

You now have a chance to follow some of their independent blogs, support them that way, fuck all this big companies, they are laying of everyone for ai

atro_city, do games w IGN immediately lays off every non-UK person at their newly bought sites, including some key members like deputy editor Alice Bell

We need more worker owned associations and more workers' rights. This is ridiculous.

Goronmon,

We also need people to realize that it’s not sustainable to expect free content while running an ad-blocker.

maynarkh,

The problem is that ad-driven businesses are price dumping by tricking people into using their services by telling them it’s free, and thus killing the market for everyone else. I am not turning my adblocker off. I do not expect “free” content in perpetuity. I expect the “free” content business model to die off.

Goronmon,

I expect the “free” content business model to die off.

I don’t. I expect the vast majority of people will continue to demand free content while simultaneously complaining about the quality of said content.

Zink,

Yeah, unfortunately many people seem to default to complaining about things while continuing to consume what they are fed. And not change anything, of course.

atro_city,

I disagree. Ads are not the answer. Treating them as such is simply giving up.

Goronmon,

Agreed, ads are not the answer. Paying for content is the answer.

But people want their content to be free, while also being angry that their free content contains ads.

atro_city,

Because content distributors haven't thought of another way to get money. The only other thing they came up with is subscriptions. Some have thought of donations, but they haven't banded together to come up with an alternative. It's weak and totally mid.

WldFyre,

Literally what other options are there?

dat_fast_boi,

Outside of straight cash and ads, off the top of my head a user could give a website data, content, or computing power. Which, as I kept writing this, I’ve found aren’t perfect alternatives.

Personal data collection seems compelling, since the data can be sold to hungry data brokers looking to optimise their ads, but tech-savvy users want to keep their data safe, either by using plugins to block ads and tracking, or by not using your website. And you’d also have to have no soul to do this.

User generated content gives users a reason to engage and return, and it also means you could save money that you’d have otherwise used to pay someone to make content. If you rely on this too much though, ethical concerns become apparent - last I checked, Reddit mods are unpaid.

Volunteer computing could maybe lower costs by offloading some server calculations onto volunteer’s computers when idle, but I don’t know if it could even be used for that. It’s probably a non-starter for websites, too; to a user it would seem like your site was asking them to install a crypto miner.

… this comment is getting too long and doesn’t really have a point. But I can’t let the 45 minutes I spent writing it go to waste so easily. Hm… what if I combined all 3 ideas?

Yes, a website that asks you to volunteer idle computer time to train an algorithm that can both be outsourced to other companies and used to analyse your personal data, which itself can be given to other companies and used to reccomend you posts you are more likely to comment on, adding value to the website! Surely this has none of the flaws that I described before.

FeelzGoodMan420,

Bro $4,000 OLED TVs are riddled with rows of home screen ads. What are you talking about that paid content has no ads? ALL CONTENT HAS FUCKING ADS. This has gotten absurd. Fuck ads.

Goronmon,

What are you talking about that paid content has no ads?

The article that OP posted is on a site that allows you to pay and from what I can tell doesn’t have any obvious ads that I’ve seen.

But at the end of the day, find a site you like, pay for the content if you can and run an ad-blocker.

FeelzGoodMan420,

I’m not responding to OP. I’m responding to you.

Goronmon,

OK? I was giving you an example of “paid content with no ads” that you claimed didn’t exist. What is confusing you?

FeelzGoodMan420, (edited )

Man…you said the issue with all of this is people not willing to pay to remove ads. I’m saying that even when you buy expensive products, you still have ads. So ads are everywhere, regardless of whether you pay or use free products. The entire business model is fucked. That’s what I’m saying. I’m not sure what it causing the confusion here.

Goronmon,

Ahh…I see where you got confused.

I was saying that people will run an ad-blocker, but also refuse to pay directly for content.

And then complain that nobody makes good content.

I’m saying that even when you buy expensive products, you still have ads.

Sure, but that’s not really related to the topic. “Why are there ads in the products I pay for?” is a different issue than "Why are there ads in the products I don’t pay for?

FeelzGoodMan420,

Yea. Separate but related issues I suppose. I just feel like even when we pay tons of money for expensive products, we will get ads. Even modern cars are collecting an obscene amount of data even though we pay a shit ton of money for them. It’s completely out of control.

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

i’ll turn off my adblocker when i can be confident that your site won’t show me ads for child porn or actual fucking scams.

criss_cross,

And not make the site impossible to use.

Most sites nowadays its impossible to actually read a goddamn article without 5 pop in videos and ad breaks.

Hadriscus,

I disable my adblocker on RPS. They also have a subscriber system which works well I reckon (although I don’t partake)

Facebones,

This is the big one. people have grown accustomed to an unsustainable system, problem is wages are still so stagnanted so nobody has money for 10 subs to things.

Facebones,

Second Wind (old video team from the escapist) has been going strong but they’re still pretty new.

Idk anything about rps but hopefully some of them rally and do the same.

Empricorn, do games w IGN immediately lays off every non-UK person at their newly bought sites, including some key members like deputy editor Alice Bell

These giant corporations don’t even have to be quiet about it anymore, there’s just no consequences. They couldn’t care less about you, me, their customers, or their employees.

aquafunk, (edited )
@aquafunk@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

They care about being able to hire labor, which we provide, and they care about revenue and profit, which we also provide. Not defending any behavior, but the consequences in a healthy economy would largely come from customers, potential and current employees. Failing that, large issues would be overcome by regulations, or at least enforcing existing ones (codified rules against monopolies, for examples, are just words if not enforced).

Without consumers willing (and able) to make sacrifices (like paying higher prices) to reward good corporate behavior, and to avoid companies with purely short-term profit motivated behavior, this is what we can and should expect. Nevermind companies are rewarded by shareholder and investor support based more on profits than.how those profits were made, especially when many of those shareholders feel forced to turn to the stock market to fund their retirement, as pensions are so increasingly a rare option.

Would voting for fresh representatives possibly increase instability in out daily lives? Is that instability a possibly necessary cost of maintaining effective regulation of the investor class that has captured our legislative system to their own benefit?

There are systemic problems at play here- not to downplay the choices this individual company made, but the focus could be on the larger forces at work. If your first reaction is that boycotts and choices by consumers and employees, no matter how organized and widespread, do not work, then I ask you, dear reader, to consider what might work to make the necessary systemic changes, and what, if anything, you can do to help make them happen.

The investor class has made it clear what their playbook is, as they have time and time again thru history: explotation, and as much of it as they can get away with. The question then becomes what us, the ever-increasingly exploited, are going to do about it.

no war but class war.

ed:I hope that didnt come off as disagreement- just trying to voice frustration with a side of “everyone who agrees with you please take a moment to think about the big picture, and what you can do about it” because I’m also tired of this slide into an increasingly boring dystopia

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Without consumers willing (and able) to make sacrifices (like paying higher prices) to reward good corporate behavior, and to avoid companies with purely short-term profit motivated behavior, this is what we can and should expect.

I think consumers have spoken, at least in part. What money can be made doing this job is more easily made on YouTube.

Carighan,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

Which sucks due to the innate near-inability of a Youtube video to carry an argument without a visual component well.

It’s why podcasts can be decent for some topics, but youtube is just someone talking a podcast into the camera for 45 minutes, and all of it would be ~5 minutes reading a single paragraph at most if it were in written form but you really really realy got to chase those ad-impressions.

Non-textual forms for textual content have really been their own destructive blight on internet content. :'(

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I get my gaming news from YouTube podcasts, mostly; at least those two do employ people actually doing some of that same type of work. It doesn’t really matter how good Schreier is at his job when I’m not going pay for a Bloomberg subscription and someone else can more cheaply copy the same content and tell me what it said. The video format gives me more of a dialogue with the person who did the work. Plus ads are much more easily defeated on a web page than on YouTube, though they are still partially defeated.

aquafunk,
@aquafunk@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I find myself immediately opening the video transcript for many videos. creating a well made video that offers more than a few paragraphs of text is often a challenge

wrekone,

Thank you for eloquently saying what I often struggle to convey. I’m saving this comment for later reference.

CitizenKong,

Someone should remind them that they didn’t do it the last hundred years or so because the alternative was angry mobs trying to kill them.

billiam0202,

Someone should remind the angry mobs that they should be angry mobs.

KingThrillgore, do games w IGN immediately lays off every non-UK person at their newly bought sites, including some key members like deputy editor Alice Bell
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

The old Ziff Davis Nasty

I’m amazed they are allowed to own both publishing for video games (Humble) and publishing for journalism.

mPony,

I’m amazed they are allowed to own

By this point I’m surprised that they’re not allowed to own people, seeing as their business model treats people as if they are property.

Zink,

Honestly at this point I’ll be surprised if we DON’T see openly employer owned & operated towns for employees.

Future bootlickers be like “TheY pUt A rOoF oVer My HeAd!!”

daddy32, do games w IGN immediately lays off every non-UK person at their newly bought sites, including some key members like deputy editor Alice Bell

Oh no, I love Alice :( She just moved, relatively recently…

I guess I can finally stop reading RPS now.

BeardedGingerWonder,

I remember when RPS started, Kieron Gillen and the the PC Gamer gang. Fucking shite now.

daddy32,

Yes, it went very downhill after the sale. But was still readable, even if barely, thanks to Alice(s) an Sin mostly. Now… screw it.

Damage, do games w IGN immediately lays off every non-UK person at their newly bought sites, including some key members like deputy editor Alice Bell

Can’t wait to start following the new sites (blogs at first, probably) these people create.

_sideffect, do games w IGN immediately lays off every non-UK person at their newly bought sites, including some key members like deputy editor Alice Bell

As soon as ign bought humble bundle it turned to shit

linkinkampf19,

While I still “subscribe” to Humble, I don’t recall the last time I actually unpaused a month. Maybe this is the push I needed. Their offerings have been mostly subpar after they bought Humble. Not knocking the indie devs, I think my gaming tastes have changes over the years. Also, I don’t need coupons for DLC, please and thank you.

atoro,

I had been a Humble Monthly subscriber since they first started it. 6 months ago my husband and I both canceled our subscriptions. Used to be some really good bundles, but now it’s just shovelware and DLC coupons.

iliketurtles,

Oooh that’s why it’s been ass for a while now 🤦‍♂️

Railcar8095,

My thoughts exactly. I’m not going to boycott them, but good will is lost.

MotoAsh,

If you’re not going to boycott them, your lack of good will is literally meaningless.

Railcar8095,

Dully noted

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

Has there been any good bundles in the last 10 years? According to my email history the last time I bought something from them was at the end of 2014, and even before then I’d been complaining about it’s quality.

goferking0,

Only one I’ve gotten lately have been battletech ones. But that’s more to actually get digital versions of their fiction.

Probably should have just said screw it once I realized you had to give 30ish % to ign

Facebones,

I’ve had choice since it was monthly, I’ll probably end it this year (I pay yearly) cause eh so much filler. I’d say I get my moneys worth but 🤷‍♂️ I’m getting old anyway haha

makingStuffForFun,
@makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml avatar

That pretty much exactly matches my timeline of my last purchase. I had no idea they were purchased and they did turn to shit and now I can see why.

BeardedGingerWonder,

That I did not know!

N_Crow, do games w IGN immediately lays off every non-UK person at their newly bought sites, including some key members like deputy editor Alice Bell
@N_Crow@leminal.space avatar

You guys are still reading IGN?

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

You guys are still reading IGN?

No, that’s why they buy other sites.

mPony,

to add their technological and cultural distinctiveness to their own

kinsnik, do games w IGN immediately lays off every non-UK person at their newly bought sites, including some key members like deputy editor Alice Bell

RPS already has an article “celebrating Alices in games” as a sneaky attack on this.

Railcar8095,

At RPS we like Alices. When somebody comes along with the name “Alice” you don’t just say “oh hi” like some insolent rube. You nod with solemn respect and you say, “Alice”. An Alice is someone you should not take lightly, nor take for granted, nor leave unmonitored. For they will destroy worlds and build better ones while you are not looking. This is dangerous and exciting. Alices are a force to be reckoned with. To treat an Alice poorly is to invite shame, dishonour, and contempt. Here are some of the best Alices in video games!

But that’s it, readers. That’s literally ALL the Alices we can possibly think of. What about you? Can you think of any Alices who deserve to be celebrated?

Guys job will probably fall off a window after this, but God he probably felt awesome when publishing

I_Miss_Daniel, do games w IGN immediately lays off every non-UK person at their newly bought sites, including some key members like deputy editor Alice Bell

Going rogue is how the TWiT network started I think - when Leo and co used to have a show called The Screensavers but it ended.

sirico,
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar

We also got Digg out of it, while it ended up poo reddit and lemmy wouldn’t be quite the same without it.

Diplomjodler3,

,

Here are a few commas, in case you’ll ever need any.

thefartographer,

Thanks! I’ll use, them liberally and, with reckless abandon! Look, earrings!

,😁,

TexasDrunk,

I remember the TechTV days before G4 took over. AotS was fun but never really replaced Screen Savers. Then G4 did whatever the fuck it did (mostly airing ghost hunters from what I remember) and went off air so we lost that too. Then there was the terrible attempt at revival a few years ago that failed spectacularly.

TWiT is still going though. Maybe something cool will come out of this.

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