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Shadow, w Wil Wheaton Blames One Scene For Everyone Hating Wesley Crusher
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I don’t get all the Wesley hate.

No Star Trek character in franchise history has been more hated than Wesley Crusher

I don’t think this author watched past tng. Kai Winn and Dukat would like a word.

caveman8000,

Harry Kim?

BumpingFuglies,

The important distinction, I believe, is that Kai Winn and Dukat were villains, characters designed to be hated. Wesley was supposed to be a precocious scamp, bringing levity and juvenility to an otherwise dry and mature crew, but just ended up being… Wesley.

snack_pack_rodriguez,

i enjoyed hating Winn and Dukat i hated hating Wesley there is a huge difference between the two.

Makeitstop,

Kai Winn is intended to be hated. And Dukat is such an enjoyable character that the writers had to go out of their way to remind everyone that he’s a bad guy.

I don’t think people hate Wesley in the same way. They don’t hate the fictional person, they hate the way the story presents him. They hate the way he saves the ship by being effortlessly superior to everyone, including Data. And it doesn’t help that he was a young actor with limited skill, featured most prominently during the shows weakest seasons that suffered from bad writing.

I think there’s far less negative reaction to the Wesley we see in The Samaritan Snare or The First Duty. He’s still a smart kid with a lot of potential, but the story presents him as a flawed, vulnerable person, rather than an obnoxious little shit with a terminal case of smug overconfidence.

grue,

Villains don’t count; they’re supposed to be hated.

flipht,

Keiko

EmptyRadar,

I hated Kai Winn so fuckin much

chahk,

If I hear that smug condescending “my child” again, I swear…

cosmack, w Incredible Mark Hamill Cult Classic Lands On 4K Blu-Ray This Summer
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@inkican I didn't think I'd be watching Guyver twice this year, but here we are.

Great flick. Fun and surprising. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

RickRussell_CA, w ‘Godzilla Minus One’ Roars with Success: A Critical and Commercial Triumph
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I was wondering why this article was talking about the film in present tense:

There you have it! A news article on Godzilla Minus One in the tone of Forbes. Let me know if there are any other adjustments or additions you would like.

Thanks for the garbage.

EmptyRadar, w Incredible Mark Hamill Cult Classic Lands On 4K Blu-Ray This Summer

I love that this movie is always billed as "starring Mark Hamill", but he's a supporting character.

AncientFutureNow, w Wil Wheaton Blames One Scene For Everyone Hating Wesley Crusher

I like Wesley.

inkican,

Thank you - Wesley needed to hear that.

Shalakushka,
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Shut up, Wesley

inkican,

Don't tell my friend to shut up!

TootSweet, w What's your Sci-Fi unpopular opinion? Part II

I love pretentious, LSD fueled nonsense. EEAAO is amazing.

CorrodedCranium,
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Engorged Elephant Anteater Androids Oceanography?

TootSweet,

Everything Everywhere All At Once.

I was honestly hoping a few people would have to think about it before they figured out what I was referencing. But it seems I was obtuser than I intended.

Couldbealeotard, w What's your Sci-Fi unpopular opinion? Part II
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The entire first season of The Expanse should have just been one episode. It took me multiple tries to get into that show because the first season is so boring.

This trend of drip feeding mysteries started with Lost back in the 2000s and I find it incredibly frustrating.

acockworkorange,

Upvote because it’s unpopular. But the first season in the best in my opinion.

Couldbealeotard,
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I barely knew what the story was until you learn about it in the last episode. The rest of the show then moves forward with the significant discovery of that episode.

Aussiemandeus,
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I really enjoyed it, the hard scifi world building. I started to fall off in the later seasons with thr wormhole and shit

HubertManne, w Wil Wheaton Blames One Scene For Everyone Hating Wesley Crusher
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wait! who hates poochie?

GlitterInfection, w Wil Wheaton Blames One Scene For Everyone Hating Wesley Crusher

I prefer the term “Wesley Crusher” over the term “Mary Sue” to describe that type of character.

Wootz, w What's your Sci-Fi unpopular opinion? Part II

Neuromancer is a pretentious pile of wank that people only like because they read it when they were 15.

KammicRelief,

maybe you just don’t GeT iT, mAn…!

inkican,

I think you're thinking of Atlas Shrugged - Neuromancer is literary acid-house and is quite literally one of the best novels ever written. You have to read it about 4 times before you actually get it.

Aussiemandeus,
@Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone avatar

I listened to neuromancer on Audible earlier this year, I remember nothing haha

III, w What's your Sci-Fi unpopular opinion? Part II

My unpopular opinion is that I don’t like space operas.

I would argue against you here but I have seen Farscape so I can only view you as a reasonable person with a valid opinion.

bramkaandorp,

As a big fan of Farscape, your opinion is invalid.

Kidding aside, I realise it’s an acquired taste.

southsamurai, w Wil Wheaton Blames One Scene For Everyone Hating Wesley Crusher
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Eh, never hated Wesley back when the show was airing. When the episodes where he’s badly written (and there are many) are spread out over weeks or months, he’s not annoying enough to hate, and he does get some okay writing here and there.

If anything, having a younger crew member helped teenagers and kids find a more relatable character to have an in to the show if they weren’t already fans of TOS and the movies. So in that , even though he was poorly written most of the time, he’s still a valuable character.

Honestly, even back then my impression was that the writers were just crap at writing a believable “gifted” kid. That Wesley was supposed to be even more than gifted didn’t help because getting the kind of personalities that form around kids that really are that much smarter than those around them isn’t exactly a common experience even among gifted kids. The kind of genius that Wesley was described to be is just too rare for even the mensa set to have a lot of experience talking to.

That’s what I think the problem was. You had adults that weren’t used to the kind of intelligence Wesley was supposed to have, and didn’t really remember being Wesley’s age trying to write him. They just used tropes and guesswork to turn him into what amounts to a DMPC, a free check to make bad writing choices via “super genius saves the day” vs “teenager fucks up” mismatches.

guyrocket, w What's your Sci-Fi unpopular opinion? Part II
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Almost ALL aliens in sci-fi have human form.

Fantasy fiction should not be categorized near sci-fi AT ALL. Unless it is some sort of cross-over or hybrid, keep it away from the sci-fi.

Old school sci-fi (Niven, Asimov, etc.) is WAY BETTER than this newfangled stuff.

Dune and Star Wars blow.

atocci,

Really looking forward to the Project: Hail Mary movie adaption because of your first point. Can't wait to see the little guy

minimalfootprint,

Fist my bump.

Aphelion, w What's your Sci-Fi unpopular opinion? Part II

Frank Herbert had no clue what to write after Dune and the rest of the Dune series is just an exercise in trying to one-up himself in weirdness.

Star Wars is a fantasy series, not sci-fi.

reddig33,

Id agree about Dune. The first book is great. The rest feel like they were handed off to someone else to write.

jayrhacker,

Well, after the first four they were handed off to someone else to write: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Herbert#Posthumously_published_works

BumpingFuglies, w What's your Sci-Fi unpopular opinion? Part II

I don’t consider Star Wars to be sci-fi. It’s a futuristic space fantasy.

Also, Star Trek Enterprise is one of the best Trek series, IMO. Top 5.

theinspectorst,
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I don’t consider Star Wars to be sci-fi. It’s a futuristic space fantasy.

Is that an unpopular opinion? Most sci-fi/fantasy fans I know would probably agree with this. I love Star Wars, but in the same way I love Lord of the Rings.

Also, Star Trek Enterprise is one of the best Trek series, IMO. Top 5.

I would say the final season of Enterprise is arguably the best single season of any Star Trek show so far. But it was a long road getting there...

The human crew (particularly Archer and Trip) were difficult to warm to in seasons 1 and 2 - I found them so much more emotional and overdramatic than an intelligent professional human would be today, and that it made it difficult for me to accept them as the bridge from today to the 23rd/24th century Starfleet we know.

Season 3 was tough for different reasons - maybe it played differently in America, but watching from outside the US a lot of it felt like post-9/11 revenge fantasy. Very proto-'America First'.

minimalfootprint,

But it was a long road getting there…

I see what you did there.

theinspectorst,
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Do you know why I stuck with it through s1-s3, even though I couldn't know if it would get better?

'CAUSE I'VE GOT FAAAAAIIITH OF THE HEART!

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