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Pamasich, w The future of kbin.earth...

I understand why they disabled public downvotes (since they're accepting incoming ones now, they don't want to expose everyone's downvotes from other instances), and I remember they gave some reasoning on Github for why it makes sense to not hide upvotes too, but do we really need incoming downvotes? I think that feature should be a toggle where you either have downvotes hidden but federated, or visible but not federated. And then the instance owner can decide what they prefer.

That's really my main issue with mbin. While I've gotten too used to the All Content view and collections, both of those are on their roadmap, so they'll be coming eventually.

NotTheOnlyGamer, w KES 4.1.0: Improving the signal to noise ratio by blocking unsolicited ads
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Preventing this issue doesn't seem like a userscript issue (though that's definitely a good start).I think the auto report function is severely needed; it's happening everywhere. If the script can automatically block any user whose post it suppresses, it would be awesome.

But I think the issue is that we need to get support top-down on this.

shazbot, (edited )

If the script can automatically block any user whose post it suppresses, it would be awesome.

It does! I've reworded the OP to hopefully make that clearer. After using this approach for a few days, my blocklist (generated entirely programmatically) is ten pages long, and there is nary a bad post in sight. I'm expanding the filters on a daily basis.

I think the auto report function is severely needed; it's happening everywhere.

The idea is that it takes the burden off of myriad (N) users having to manually do this themselves, and lets a single user (the KES custodian) prepare the filters, which then propagate out to any user of KES. Instead of 1,000 people manually blocking, one person builds the heuristics, and everyone benefits.

Preventing this issue doesn't seem like a userscript issue...but I think the issue is that we need to get support top-down on this.

I understand, but the stated goal of KES is addressing issues that can't, or won't (due to some design conflict), be addressed, or which fall through the cracks. At the moment I'm seeing a lot of people voicing frustration, but due to the skeleton crew situation with administration of the site, it seems like screaming into the void. Not that there's anything wrong with that, and hopefully it gets some traction. But my job with KES is just to provide fixes for the end-user, albeit of a third-party nature.

rhythmisaprancer, (edited ) w The future of kbin.earth...
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This is a good discussion here. I'm sure I am not the only person to have other accounts (an mbin and a lemmy) but I am pretty invested here. But your #1 option has some relavent points.

Edit to add I have been digging the microblogs and miss that from what I can see on mbin. Maybe my error. I can't even find them.

jwr1,
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Mbin does support microblogs. I believe there's a "Microblog" button in the navigation bar for desktop, and the same button found in the side drawer on mobile.

bayaz, w Banning spam accounts

FYI, I tried the process you mentioned, I'm not sure it's as simple as your post implies (if that process could be called "simple" anyway). I've tried a few different orders of "report, delete, ban", and clicked the "ban" button in at least two spots (one that was directly in the feed and another that comes up under Reports in the magazine panel). No matter what I do, it always shows up as "unban" in the mod log. However, there is a list of bans under the magazine panel, and that does show the accounts as banned.

So, I'm really not sure what is going on here. Maybe it's just a problem with the log and not with the banning itself?

Anyway, thanks again for pointing this out. Hopefully someone can figure out what is going on.

testing,
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@bayaz Thank you! This is even worse than I thought! I will try some things out in the near future in order to find a stable way for banning accs.

novamdomum, w Can we help against spammers?
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Actually, it would really help if the "Block" button was right next to the username on the spam post. Having to hover over the name and wait for the modal to appear and then go click on "Block" makes it more of a nuisance. I wonder also if in the future you could choose not to display posts by user accounts less than a month old with only downvotes or who have been blocked by hundreds of people.

Kotking, w KES 4.1.0: Improving the signal to noise ratio by blocking unsolicited ads
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Thanks for the hard work!
Even though I don't post much so mostly ignore all those messages, still it is a big problem. Until we get it sorted out having tools like these helps stop "bleeding" by people who want to use kbin.
Had few pop up on my magazine even though there is barely a traction but saw few times bloat when posted on other magazines which is really discouraging.

shazbot,

I don't read magazines in-depth much either, so I wasn't aware of the extent of the issue at first, but I was appalled at what I saw. I agree with you that it creates a negative impression for anyone wanting to venture into or use a magazine. I know that needing KES upfront may be a non-starter for some people, but for me the difference with filtering is night and day now.

sab, w The future of kbin.earth...
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I've been curious about trying out mbin, and this seems like a good instance to do it on. So I absolutely like option 2 the best.

That said, I tried to sign up earlier today, and never received the registration email. Tried to sign up with an old Gmail account. Might be worth looking into. :)

jwr1,
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Sorry about that, and thanks for letting me know. I had no idea the email system was down. I'll probably try to look into it after the migration to Mbin. I've gone ahead and manually verified each user from the past week, so you should be able to sign in now.

jwr1,
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Ok, I was able to figure out what was wrong. All registration and password reset emails should be working now.

Varen,
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So the migration to mbin is done or just wanted to fix that first anyways? ^^

jwr1,
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No, we haven't migrated yet. I just decided to fix that first.

Varen,
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Ok. I think Im gonna test it out aswell once migration is done

jwr1,
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Sounds good! Migration probably won't happen today, but maybe tomorrow or the day after if we get lucky. Unfortunately, I ran into a problem while trying to set up Mbin due to one of the mbin/kbin dependencies suddenly disappearing out of the blue (see here).

jwr1,
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The migration to Mbin is complete! Let me know if you run into any issues.

Varen,
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Awesome! Will look to register tonight or tomorrow, when I find the time. Thanks for letting me know :)

HubertManne, w KES 4.1.0: Improving the signal to noise ratio by blocking unsolicited ads
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So far don't see the option but ready to jump on it.

shazbot,

How do you typically update your KES?

HubertManne,
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actually I don't. I read this on kbinmeta and thought it was a general improvement to kbin. oh well.

shazbot,

I understand if you don't want to add yet another third-party tool just to browse the site, but if you feel at all inclined, give it a try. For me 99% of magazines went from unusable to essentially clean.

HubertManne,
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I don't use a smartphone. im a smartphone luddite. Heck I don't even have a cell phone on me often unless I know I need it (expecting a call or oncall)

mihnt, w The future of kbin.earth...

kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/…/RE-Is-Ernest-still-here

There’s been a lot more updates since then. Is he still not working on anything?

Edit: I see it’s been 2 months on codeberg.

bayaz, w Banning spam accounts

What the... ugh. I've been doing this for months. Thanks for letting me know.

testing,
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@bayaz It's you who gave me food for thought, alongside many other moderators! I only found out yesterday how to properly ban spam accs on kbin.social.

I really appreciate all efforts to grow and take care of communities, be it on kbin, on lemmy, or on mbin! Every day, I try to keep learning from other moderators.

Given the sheer lack of moderation tools, many mods do great work. I hope the situation will improve so that moderatoring will become easier.

livus, w Banning spam accounts
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Wait what? That's so annoying.

HeartyBeast, w I'm seeing more microblog posts
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Perhaps you switched your view from ‘Threads’ to ‘All content’ without realising?

rhythmisaprancer,
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I'm not sure, it is set there now but I no longer see the posts... Must be a setting somewhere.

livus, w I'm seeing more microblog posts
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Not sure where you're seeing them... it's always been in the microblog section, you can also follow individuals on Mastodon. They also come up in searches and hashtags.

Don't be intimidated, interaction works just fine!

BaldProphet, w I'm seeing more microblog posts
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It's been a feature at least since the Reddit protest last year, which is when I started using kbin.

Kierunkowy74,
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It was available from day one of kbin.social. And even earlier.

bluGill, w Can we help against spammers?

Mostly we need Earnst (or some other kbin develop) to develop more tools to combat Spam. This is easy to ask for, but not easy to implement.

insomniac_lemon,

This is easy to ask for, but not easy to implement.

The problem I see (and what influenced the tone of my other comment) is that I don't think I've seen any acknowledgement about any sort of filtering and this is a persistent problem. I get it, but also it seems really unnecessary to manually remove the 10 threads obviously not made by humans (or even just the 3 accounts that just popped up in a close time-frame).

It doesn't need to be perfect, surely any technique can be worked-around eventually but that also introduces extra steps (that spammers don't need to take now) that makes it harder and less likely. Doing so I think makes moderation much more viable and impactful.

Even just some sort of auto-spoiler/warning (multiple suspicious keywords in a non-relevant community, new user, 3 threads in an hour etc) could have an effect.

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