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insomniac_lemon, w Can we help against spammers?

I once again ask why there is no form of filtering, especially for new users who rapid post. Also spammers using the same names with a higher number after they get banned.

palordrolap,

I registered the next-in-sequence for one of them. Haven't seen that username since. I like to think I broke a script somewhere, but it could just as easily have broken a spammer's tiny little brain. The disappointing but more likely explanation is that they shrugged and moved on to a different set of usernames.

viking, w Can we help against spammers?
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

Blocking is a personal thing, there’s no heuristic that determines if a specific user is blocked by x people to automatically block them for users. That would be quite appealing though, but the abuse potential is quite significant, if you have a bot army…

Reporting will notify the moderator(s) of the community, so if and how fast they react really depends on them.

fiat_lux, w If you're encountering the Subscribed 404 error, this is a good time to revisit Collections

If you're talking about the 404 when you try to go to kbin.social/sub , you can get around it with kbin.social/sub?p=1

livus,
@livus@kbin.social avatar

@fiat_lux thanks!!!

dryblastoise,
@dryblastoise@kbin.social avatar

works for login too. kbin.social/login?p=1

MelodiousFunk, w kbin.social/sub says 404 page not found. Does anyone else have this issue?

Try adding


<span style="color:#323232;">?p=1
</span>

To the end of the URL. This was a useful workaround a few months ago when things went pear-shaped for awhile.

MelodiousFunk,
@MelodiousFunk@kbin.social avatar

This still works... though kbin still doesn't render the code block correctly it seems.

?p=1

basically tells the site to load page 1 of whatever sort is selected. You can also do p=2 for page 2, etc.

Pamasich, (edited )

though kbin still doesn't render the code block correctly it seems

Yeah, I hope ernest (or someone else) fixes it soon. Mbin has fixed it, so it should be possible to check there how it was done.

I did make a frontend fix for it which is included in KES and available standalone on Greasyfork. But it would be much preferable if this was fixed in kbin itself.

I think the big problem is that the issue on codeberg is closed. Ernest never got involved, but other maintainers closed it as a "lemmy issue" which it isn't. Lemmy is federating completely legal HTML with escaping applied to spec and kbin should be able to understand it. Mbin can understand it.

eveninghere, w Do the "Ernest needs to add more maintainers to KBin!" comments remind anyone else of the xz social engineering malarkey?

I mean, he’s developing and administrating what’s essentially a Reddit clone all on his own.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

I mean, he’s developing and administrating what’s essentially a Reddit clone all on his own.

And doing a damn fine job.

The question was if you saw similarity in the pressure to add maintainers to the project with the social engineering that lead to xz getting backdoored.

eveninghere,

And he’s burning out. And more maintainers would be even better.

Yes, it’s similar, but every one-man project with real-world use is similar in that regard.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

And he’s burning out.

I have seen no evidence of that. Also not the point of this thread.

HeartyBeast,
@HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

I’m not going to pick through his last year’s posts and make a diagnosis, but if you’ve seen no evidence of that, I think you’re wilfully ignoring the signs.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

I’m not going to pick through his last year’s posts and make a diagnosis, but if you’ve seen no evidence of that, I think you’re wilfully ignoring the signs.

Ok, I'll continue "ignoring" evidence you can't even describe ("He talked somewhere about..."), much less cite.

For all we know his frequent absence is down to a great work-life balance on his part.

Irrespective this thread is not about who is or is not burnt out, it's about how posts like your are what enabled the xz backdoor to happen.

HeartyBeast, (edited )
@HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

Irrespective this thread is not about who is or is not burnt out, it's about how posts like your are what enabled the xz backdoor to happen.

I thin you need to chill a bit. Open source has a long illustrious history of people cooperating to build software and submit patches and enhancements which are then scrutinized by project leads. Yes, occasionally bad actors use this model to try and slip through exploits, but you don't throw out one of the strengths of open source because of that. You make sure mechanisms are in palce to allow robust scrutiny.

And no, I'm absolutely not going go through someone's post history and quote bits that show someone is frazzled. I expect you to have enough empathy

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

I thin you need to chill a bit.

I'm not the one calling people willfully ignorant about things a thread isn't even about.

one of the strengths of open source because of that.

I don't think being a jerk is a strength

eveninghere,

I used it as a support to my argument, so, it’s relevant. No evidence, you say… I don’t want to talk too much about someone’s health issue. Just believe what you believe. I don’t think you can change your view through online discussion.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

I used it as a support to my argument

What argument? I'm not sure what you position is.

FaceDeer,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

No, he's not. Kbin was recently down for a week. Then voting and comment counts broke. Before all that I had to get into the habit of reloading the page I was on every time I wanted to vote on something. It's a terrible user experience.

That's not to say I don't like him or he's not a good dev or whatever. Just that people have limits and it sure seems like he's bumping against his.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

I think Ernest is doing a fine job. [shrug] Especially when you consider none of us are being charged to be here.

Could we please stop talking about if Ernest is burning out though? That was never the question of this thread.

The question was if the comments reminded you of the social engineering that engendered the xz backdoor.

FaceDeer,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

I didn't say anything about burning out. A job can be too big or difficult for a person without them burning out.

Ultimately, it's just a question of results. If kbin.social is working poorly but other alternatives are doing good, I move on. That works well in the Fediverse especially, as evidenced that I am commenting from fedia.io.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

I didn't say anything about burning out.

Fairplay, but that then's two step removed from what this thread is about.

OpenStars,
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

Likewise I also moved on from Kbin. Obviously we have no power over that project, that belongs solely to the person who created it, but we do control our own actions. e.g. I used to sing the praises of the Fediverse and go out of my way to not equate it with Lemmy - always saying like Lemmy/Kbin. Now I still do the former but I actively tell people that Kbin might not be a good match for them. Ernest has kept it as alpha version software - which is fine, there is a need for such things, and it will become great, someday… hopefully. But today is not that day, and that is super good for people to know, e.g. that they don’t have to leave the Fediverse entirely to get a more functional experience, just Kbin.social.

FaceDeer,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

fedia.io is running mbin, which is a fork of kbin. It seems to be doing well, so you could switch to Lemmy/mbin if you don't want to include kbin any more but still want to show alternate clients are possible.

OpenStars,
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

Thank you for the suggestion. So far I’ve just taken to saying “Fediverse”, perhaps I’m holding out hope for still more clients in the future:-)? Also it’s shorter than Lemmy/Kbin/Mbin:-).

Canard,

I saw the term "threadiverse" being used to group all Reddit alternatives interoperable with the Fediverse.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

I saw the term "threadiverse" being used to group all Reddit alternatives interoperable with the Fediverse.

Yeah, but Meta's fucked up the application of anything containing "thread".

ProdigalFrog,
@ProdigalFrog@kbin.social avatar

Piefed also looks promising.

OpenStars,
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

Exactly! More and more products can be added - like now we are hearing about Fedi-wikis (from the original Lemmy developer iirc), and ofc there will be Threads (whether we dread it or not!), so the Fediverse (iirc, defined basically as anything that uses the ActivityPub protocol?) is growing up, spurred onwards by the ongoing demise of Reddit even if started long before. :-)

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

Piefed also looks promising.

That one interoperable with Mastodon like Kbin is?

ProdigalFrog,
@ProdigalFrog@kbin.social avatar

It appears focused on being compatible with lemmy, but I haven't asked the dev what their plans are for mastodon integration.

They do have an interesting image-viewing mode though, which is pretty cool. :)

sab,
@sab@kbin.social avatar

Nope, and it doesn't seem to be on the agenda either. Kbin/Mbin is still the only platform(s) to try to bridge the two.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

Kbin/Mbin is still the only platform(s) to try to bridge the two.

Moreover it seems to have better discoverability than mastodon Mastodon. I can type a word or phrase in the search bar on kbin and find "Mastodon" posts whereas I'm stuck viewing whatever is timeline trending on Mastodon proper unless I follow someone or can figure out whatever hashtag person might have affixed to their post.

Even with kbin being down a good 1/5 of the time it remains the best ActivityPub viewing experience (in my).

ImADifferentBird,
@ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

He is doing an excellent job, and I do not mean to denigrate his work when I say the task is beyond any one person, no matter how talented and dedicated. Look at the issues that went on recently while Ernest was indisposed, and we had months of federation issues that led to communities migrating away and Kbin.social getting defederated by other instances.

This project is getting too large for any one person, and it’s far too important to have one point of failure. And even someone as great as Ernest needs an understudy.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

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  • ImADifferentBird,
    @ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    The existence of one bad actor doesn’t make the principle any less true.

    Kbin has long since surpassed what Ernest is capable of handling by himself. Either he’s going to have to learn to delegate, or it’s going to collapse under its own weight.

    amio, w /kbin is feeling great right now

    Great, but I think this last several-day-downtime did a number on activity, seems abruptly more like a ghost town now. Unless those are just federation issues or people defederated us due to all the spam.

    Gamers_Mate, w /kbin is feeling great right now

    This is the best Kbin has ever run. Thanks Piotrsikora and Ernest for fixing the infrastructure. ^^

    loobkoob, w /kbin March update

    I'm glad that you're feeling somewhat better and are on the mend!

    Bringing more people on board for moderation is definitely a good idea, as is delegating administration. I think it's clear to everyone who keeps up with all your updates that the coding/development is where your heart lies :) Absolutely prioritise these things; reddit's IPO is in a week and a half, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the fediverse, and /kbin, grow because of that.

    I'm happy to put my name forward for helping out with moderation (as I'm sure plenty of other people will, too). You've made something special in /kbin, and helping keep it focused and spam-free through moderation feels like the least we could do to help out!

    BolexForSoup,
    @BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

    I have worked with loobkoob as a moderator on Reddit, discord, etc. and I just want to say they have the temperament and reliability anyone would want in a moderator.

    I stumbled across this comment while browsing and felt the need to endorse haha

    loobkoob,

    <3

    metaStatic, w Ernest needs to quickly delegate or this instance will quickly die

    Whenever Kbin is down I go touch grass.

    Next thing you know I'll be kissing girls and everything.

    You should try it, what could possibly go wrong.

    Drusas,

    Not gay enough.

    bananaghost, w RE: Is Ernest still here?
    @bananaghost@kbin.social avatar

    Thank you very much for the communications! We were worried about you

    Unfortunately, at the beginning of the year, I developed a skin condition that worsened from week to week, reaching a point where I couldn't even leave the house. In February, I spent my time visiting doctors and undergoing treatment with medications, which often had very unpleasant side effects.

    I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope things will turn well in the end. I wish you the best outcome.

    Therefore, I decided to hold off on any major updates to avoid causing even more chaos.

    Yes please. First thing is your health. For me and for many people the site is still good as it is, we can wait a little more.

    Just because it's not visible that something is happening doesn't mean I haven't been doing anything during this time.

    This is exactly the thing that some people need to understand. The best proof is that the site is still on and working.

    In fact, two really significant things have been successful, which I've been working on for a long time and which I intended to announce soon once I recover.

    And I will be waiting to see them.

    This weekend, I also plan to work on infrastructure with Piotr, and from next week onwards, I intend to resume committing, provided my health allows it. I understand if you're exploring alternatives, but I hope I've exhausted my bad luck limit for this year, and the remaining time will be marked by gradual, steady progress, especially since new opportunities have emerged, about which I will hopefully write soon.

    Good. But again, don't neglect your health. We don't want you to overwork yourself and end up worsening your health.

    I always read your posts and, although I don't always comment, you seem to be a good person. You are going through a difficult time, don't let some bad comments affect you. I have been here since a little before the great migration and, with all the problems that there were, I saw all the effort you put into getting us to where we are now. That is not something that goes unnoticed. I'm going to continue here for everything that comes, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks the same.

    Get well soon.

    1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi, w RE: Is Ernest still here?

    Please take good care Ernest.

    pro, w RE: Is Ernest still here?

    Get well soon!

    HarkMahlberg, w RE: Is Ernest still here?
    @HarkMahlberg@kbin.social avatar

    I hope the procedure goes well and you have a speedy recovery! ❤️

    elgordio, w RE: Is Ernest still here?

    Thanks for the update Ernest, and best wishes for your health to improve.

    Teon, w RE: Is Ernest still here?
    @Teon@kbin.social avatar

    Thank goodness you are alive. We thought you had been abducted by aliens!! :)
    Sorry to hear that your medical issues escalated.
    Hoping you have a painless and speedy recovery.

    guyrocket,
    @guyrocket@kbin.social avatar

    I thought he was eaten by a grue.

    Best wishes, Ernest!

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