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HubertManne, w Can registrations on kbin.social be disabled to stop spammers
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you know I think one of the smarter things facebook did was only allowing edu emails initially or google allowing current users to send invites.

snooggums,
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Facebook doing edu (initially only one school) only was to target a specific audience. Google followed the exclusivity model to gain hype and encourage word of mouth.

Neither did it for security reasons and both switched to open sign-ups once they reached a certain level of users.

HubertManne,
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I did not work at either at levels where I would know their reasons but whatever their reasons it did make growth in the start slow and steady.

BasicTraveler,

Getting a free .edu account is trivial.

HubertManne,
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not for spammers. it was a nice first level filter till they had the resources to do more effective spam fighting (which they don't do all that well)

BasicTraveler,

No, it's incredibly easy to get a .edu account.

HubertManne,
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Why don't automated spam systems use them then? Its easy for an individual but its not super automately like google. At least at my alma matter its not.

BasicTraveler,

I think you're thinking 4 year college, not 2 years. It takes a lot of effort and money to apply to a 4 year school. It takes like 5 minutes to apply at your local community college online and get a .edu email address, and it's free.

Using .edu as some sort of validation is a terrible idea because it's something anyone can get with just a few minutes of work.

HubertManne,
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yeah thats for an an individual though. A robotic spam account that needs to make a thousand accounts automatically is not going to make one so easily. spam from individuals is much easier to deal with than machine spam.

BasicTraveler,

It is stupid easy to get a free .edu account. It will not hamper spammers in the slightest. Even if they don’t want to make a few .edu accounts a day to do their spamming, they can just buy .edu accounts in bulk for about 10 cents per. No one is making thousands of kbin accounts to spam from, they make a handful a day, and use them till they get banned. Then they make a few more.

.edu accounts are a terrible way to try and prevent spam on kbin. There is literally an industry around generating fake .edu accounts. You can buy them in bulk. Some colleges receive 10’s of thousands of fake applications a month trying to get free .edu emails.

HubertManne,
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Yeah I had no idea they could be bought it bulk. I thought you had to be registered. Granted there are all the for profit colleges now. Would not be surprised if they straight sold them directly.

Gordon_Freeman, w Can registrations on kbin.social be disabled to stop spammers
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yeah, I spend more time downvoting a blocking spammers than anything else

HeartyBeast,
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I spend a lot of time downvoting and reporting and I've volunteered to co-mod the worst offending subs that I'm subnscribed to. It's not clear that any of this has any effect.

At this point, it feels like a bit of a lost cause.

Drusas,

What we really need is more people stepping up to moderate.

rhythmisaprancer,
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Are there some key magazines that need it? I will step up, if only to play whack a mole as I understand it.

Drusas,

I'm honestly not sure. I haven't been seeing too much of these problem accounts myself. I moderate m/politics and it hasn't been a problem for us yet. I would suggest making a note of which magazines you are seeing this behavior on, and if it's something that is up your alley, reach out to Ernest to ask for moderation privileges. He's very happy to give them to others who are dedicated.

rhythmisaprancer,
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Ya I've perused the list, but there doesn't seem to be overlap. Maybe I should just grab one, any one, to get the hang of it.

ProdigalFrog,
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https://kbin.social/m/opensource is plastered with spam, that would be a good one to moderate.

rhythmisaprancer,
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I'm not sure how to request that one since it has an active owner. I did request another that was available.

HeartyBeast,
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I’ve volunteered for several over the last month. Never heard a thing. -in particular science, fediverse, tech where large amounts of spam seem to occur and which seem abandoned

rhythmisaprancer,
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We could at least offload some work from Ernest

Oofnik, w Can registrations on kbin.social be disabled to stop spammers

Hear hear!

DessertStorms, w /kbin Issues
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I'm sure you're aware there has been an issue with people/bots spamming CP on some lemmy instances, I'm not sure if I happened to see them before removal, or if removal still isn't federating properly (since I know the admins/mods have been trying to implement additional solutions), either way, these posts were still showing up on all/new last night/early this morning (GMT), so it might just be worth double checking on your end if there is any way to stop this.

MoogleMaestro, w Cross posting norms and etiquette?
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A bit of a miscelaneous request, but I would kind of like a single button "x-post" for articles so that I can quickly cross post to related communities. If it's a thread (like this one, and not a link), it would link directly to the thread and and also show the comments of the thread (basically becomes a pointer to an article)

Kierunkowy74, w Cross posting norms and etiquette?
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Posting the same link to 3 magazines is enough IMO. Your /kbin account can be followed via Mastodon and similar services, and Mastodon interprets crossposting as completely different posts.

ReallyKinda,

Follow up if you have time, do both threads and microblogs federate with mastadon? If so, do they appear different?

Pamasich,

They both federate and they both look the same I think.

However, Mastodon search works by tags iirc. And kbin/lemmy users tend to not use tags. So discoverability is low.
The Microblog section is supposed to add the magazine's tags to your posts there, though I don't know if it currently does. I remember reading issues about it not being the case, but those were rather old, so not sure about the current status.

Kierunkowy74,
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They appear as another toot - with title, summary (shortened if it is long) and link. Like shown on an image.

(BTW this means, that articles will not be shown in their entirety, contrary to microblog posts)

Kierunkowy74,
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Forgot to say, but all /kbin posts will have at least one hashtag - the name of the magazine.

daredevil, w Cross posting norms and etiquette?

I just use it to bring awareness to similar magazines/communities across the fediverse

HeartyBeast, w To those genuinely interested in moderating
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Has anyone actually been accepted as a moderator? I requested to help moderate /science a while ago - just because it was full of spam - and I've heard nothing - not even a rejection. Still happy to kill spam.

daredevil,

Since @ernest is the owner for that magazine, I think moderator requests have to go through him. Unfortunately, he was dealing with a slight fever awhile ago, and has been dealing with financial planning and project formalities awhile back as well. Hopefully things haven't gotten worse. For what it's worth, I think it's great you're eager to contribute. There have definitely been some spam issues recently. I hope a solution can be found soon. Maybe even something like posts which have a <10% upvote-to-downvote ratio over a day/week can be temporarily quarantined until an admin approves of it. Anyways, best of luck with modship.

shazbot, w Is there a way to message a user?

If using KES, check General > Add mail iconto append an icon/label next to a username to directly message them. (If on the same intance as you)

Vegan_Joe, w Is there a way to message a user?

https://beehaw.org/pictrs/image/ab198c28-5a77-405d-b8ca-f833a4548a46.webp I am using sync, and the option to message you is there once I go to your user page.

HubertManne,
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yeah morgunkorn explained it and I was just having some mental blindness or something. im smacking my head at how its location is right where you would think it would be. don't know how I missed it.

morgunkorn, w Is there a way to message a user?
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When you click on a user name (at least in the web version), you land on that user’s profile and there’s a button “Send message” to write privately.

Please note however that the admins of the instances will have access to theses messages, they are not encrypted.

HubertManne,
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yup one of those mental blindness things I think. Even after you said I could not find it and then did a control f and low and behold its like right there. don't know how I did not see it. even has a mail icon.

ghostatnoon, (edited )
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Do note that you can't currently message users on other instances from kbin. The button will still be there, but it will bring you back to the homepage. I believe Ernest said something about it being "unimplemented," so I'm assuming cross-instance messaging will happen someday, but is probably not a high priority at the moment.

HubertManne,
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thanks. that is good to know. its a rare thing but once in awhile I want to message someone.

daredevil, w What's the quickest way to find a magazine/community you've subscribed to?

You could make a (private) collection for your subscribed magazines. Not exactly the feature you were asking for, but it's an option to curate your feed. On Firefox I have various collections bookmarked and tagged so accessibility is seamless.

Gordon_Freeman, w url link blocking. What happened to it.
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You can still do it

More > More from domain > press the block icon

HubertManne,
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thank you so much. I guess its just not as obvious as before.

originalucifer, w url link blocking. What happened to it.
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i really like this idea, and i can't believe it doesnt exist.

it sounds like it did exist, but for some technical reason it was removed.. it could be something very innocuous like the code was terrible, and needed a rewrite, or a library was used that needed to no longer be used and it has not yet been replaced.

HubertManne,
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yeah it definately existed at one point and was likely the most effective blocking tool compared to user level and magazine level.

Kierunkowy74, w Combating spam on kbin - some thoughts
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A) Appoint more administrator (or other system roles with the ability to block/delete spam accounts)

@ernest already wanted to do this back in this autumn. It looks, that /kbin software actually was not ready to this, though. :/

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