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Pamasich, w Ernest needs to quickly delegate or this instance will quickly die

Having thought about this for a bit, I think it might actually be better for ernest if this instance died a bit. Not entirely, but it could use some redistribution of users to other instances.

Like, it wasn't meant to be this big main instance of kbin. That's just what it became. And it's got to have an effect on his stress levels and development time.

I feel like the instance is like a ballon that continually gets pumped with fresh air. Ernest constantly has to make sure the balloon doesn't pop. Maybe it would be better for it to pop so he can focus on other things?

Drusas,

But that's why he just needs a little bit of extra help. He doesn't have to do it on his own.

DontMakeMoreBabies, w Ernest needs to quickly delegate or this instance will quickly die

Not a fan of hiding votes and it sounds like mBin does that... And apparently I'm banned from lemmy.world? Only thing I can figure is they don't like my username. Which also suggests it's too "safe spacey" for me anyways ("OMG the fee fees!!).

So.... Thoughts?

Edit - KBIN.earth

BolexForSoup,
@BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

Your comment contains many reasons why a community might not feel very welcoming to you.

DontMakeMoreBabies, (edited )

Omg really? You've opened my eyes with your comment.

I am so glad you took time to write the out!

It totally wasn't just verbal masturbation.

😐

Edit: To be clear, I imagine you're the type of person who is the reason why streaming has basically become cable TV.

BolexForSoup, (edited )
@BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

Ok

corytheboyd, w Ernest needs to quickly delegate or this instance will quickly die
@corytheboyd@kbin.social avatar

This is like complaining that the little mom and pop sandwich shop can’t product sandwiches as fast and uniformly as Subway. This clearly isn’t for you, just go to Reddit or something if you want stability. I love the little slices of janky internet we get from activitypub, im sick of everything needing to become highly available around the globe supporting millions of requests per second with no downtime tolerance.

Drusas,

I said in my post that it needs to be mostly functional, not perfect.

Your example of the little mom and pop shop is perfect, but not in the way you mean it. A mom and pop shop will have to hire help. Ernest needs help.

corytheboyd,
@corytheboyd@kbin.social avatar

It doesn’t NEED to be anything, this is run by Ernest, for free. It’s worse than that, he is paying for it and not being subsidized with ad revenue. He can totally ask for help if he wants, he can also say no to that and continue running the site on his own. You are not entitled to this, good grief.

FaizalR, w Ernest needs to quickly delegate or this instance will quickly die
@FaizalR@kbin.social avatar

If I'm not mistaken this is not kbin issue. It is more too server issue. There are other kbin instances that are just fine especially the smaller one.

Oofnik, w Is Ernest still here?

It's such a shame, I really hope Ernest is ok. And I guess the once again lesson here is something like this needs a dev team and not just one person.

I'll stick around for a few more days to see what's going on, but if nothing changes I guess I'll have to move on to something else.

stopthatgirl7,
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That’s about where I am, honestly. I’m starting to look for alternatives.

I can deal with the site having the occasional problem, but I can’t deal with absolutely no communication at all when things break down. Kbin has gotten too big to be a one-person operation.

This is now the fourth post I’ve seen about people starting to get fed up, and honestly, you know people are starting to hit their limits once people start making posts about their frustrations. I bet a lot of folks have just quietly given up or moved to lemmy or mbin because they’ve gotten frustrated with all the issues.

I’m a pretty patient person and can put up with a lot of goofiness on a site, as long as there’s some kind of communication happening. But there’s none.

Osa-Eris-Xero512,

I was at that point last week and ended up biting the bullet and migrating my subscriptions over to this account. Really wish there was a first class account migration tool available though.

Osa-Eris-Xero512,

Lol, i thought it was the other account. Well, goes to show the mbin instances are pretty much the same. I ended up with kbin.run

readbeanicecream,
@readbeanicecream@kbin.social avatar

@stopthatgirl7 Same. I poked around beehaw a bit, but I am not sure its is good fit for me. Think I will check out lemmy.world, they seem to be really communicative on mastodon during their upgrade process.

But that's all I know about it. I am looking into mbin,too...but I really don't much about it.

I have been spending most of my social media time on mastodon lately.

@PugJesus @Oofnik

quirzle,
@quirzle@kbin.social avatar

I bet a lot of folks have just quietly given up or moved to lemmy or mbin because they’ve gotten frustrated with all the issues.

I guess it's not quiet once I post this, but I submitted the account deletion request a couple weeks back and spent some time setting my feedly back up after 1 too many spam posts. I'm already getting my scrolling fix from rss feeds again, and this is the first time I've been on kbin in a week.

tl;dr: you're right.

FaceDeer,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

It doesn't help that whenever this comes up there's a contingent of users who jump to Ernest's "defense" by calling the folks raising these issues "concern trolls" and accusing them of shilling for mbin.

No, this is simply a matter of what is actually working well. The point of federation is that one shouldn't need to have "loyalty" to any particular instance or any particular platform. Use whichever one's working.

HubertManne,
@HubertManne@kbin.social avatar

I have literally never seen posts like that. I like kbin well enough and tend to defend it somewhat but trolls/shilling thats just redic.

FaceDeer, (edited )
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HubertManne,
@HubertManne@kbin.social avatar

Thats not what you describe. Troll is used the way you did in my response to you. A reference to other people trolling in some other threads. Not accusations of the main post being a troll. At least that is the way im reading it. I guess I just assume your first comment was refering to more blatant type posts or replies.

OpenStars, (edited )
@OpenStars@kbin.social avatar

I bet a lot of folks have just quietly given up or moved to lemmy or mbin because they’ve gotten frustrated with all the issues.

I made an alt two months ago when Kbin would never connect. I have barely been back since, so it is now my main. I hoped Kbin would come out if its slump but... that seems unlikely at this point. I'm actually quite happy on Lemmy, especially after the v0.19 upgrade allows blocking of an entire instance. I personally virtually never see any spam (maybe one comment per month) and while connection issues do occur, they are like a handful per week rather than handful per hour (it varies a lot though, sometimes it does get bad for a day or two and then weeks go by without a hitch).

I avoided the initial hurdle of making a Lemmy account for so long and, while it was super annoying, in retrospect it wasn't that bad, compared to all the other problems here and still having to go through all that, eventually.

If anyone is thinking about switching: don't worry unduly about it, just make an account and see if you like it, but you can always keep your Kbin active too, assuming Kbin remains alive.

Also, you may need to try out a few places before you find one that fits you best. But that reduces your anxiety bc you know more and don't need to worry about having to do it again in a worst-case scenario.

falsem, (edited )

Considering his last post was about going to the hospital for a few days, over a month ago, I suspect he's not okay.

Regardless, I just cancelled my $5/mo donation towards the development of the kbin software. Seeing as how there hasn't been any development in over a month.

Kraiden,

Doesn't help that it looks like he hasn't been active in the codebase for a while either. Well, publicly at least

https://codeberg.org/ernest?tab=activity

Semi-Hemi-Demigod, w Ernest needs to quickly delegate or this instance will quickly die
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

If Ernest is listening, I'd love to volunteer to help be a sysadmin/coordinate sysadmin schedules. I've got like 20 years of tech experience, with a lot of it being handling support teams and administering Linux systems. I know I said I couldn't because of money, I realized that social currency is worth even more and I like you folks and want this place to succeed.

So if anybody can get in touch with him, have Ernest email 246FHD@protonmail.com

DessertStorms, w EXIT 0.1.0: Export subscriptions across kbin/mbin instances
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

Will this also migrate my blocked lists (instances, magazines, and users)?
If not, does anyone know of a similar tool that will?
I've been trying out other kbin/mbin instances since the recent issues with kbin.social's lack of federation, hoping to open an alt there for backup, but having to manually recreate my block lists isn't something I'm really wanting to do..

shazbot,

No, it does not. Could be added, in theory.

DessertStorms, (edited )
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

Ok, thanks. And thanks for making the tool in the first place!

I think for me, at least at the moment the frustration with kbin.social is still less than that of having to start over on a new instance, so I'll wait it out for now, and hopefully migration tools will continue evolving so it becomes less and less of a hassle as time goes on (I would gladly contribute if I had any relevant knowhow myself, unfortunately that's not the case).

Facni, (edited ) w Is Ernest still here?

Maybe it's time for Kbin and Mbin to be a single project, in the end they are the same thing, just that Mbin has more people actively working on it, so they are faster with pull requests. There is no big philosophical problem, just a maintenance one.

Seraph,
@Seraph@kbin.social avatar

This would be great! Can you merge after a fork?

There's also the issue if Ernest isn't around who gives others willing to be on the dev team permissions so they can assist.

HubertManne,
@HubertManne@kbin.social avatar

many forks have merged improvements from the other project in both directions when the licenses allow for it.

Facni, (edited )

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  • sik0fewl,

    I haven't dug into it, but I think that activity is just because it's forked?

    Aatube, (edited )
    @Aatube@kbin.social avatar

    Are you sure that's not just because mbin was syncing changes from kbin? https://github.com/MbinOrg/mbin/pull/231 seems to be the only commit ernest has actually made to mbin directly

    HopeOfTheGunblade, w RE: Is Ernest still here?
    @HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social avatar

    Thanks for the communication! It sounds like you've been having a rough go of it. I hope things get better for you soon.

    livus, w I Still Like Kbin.social
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    @FfaerieOxide me too. I like it, I love the platform, I don't have an issue with the outages, and I like the way Ernest understands the fediverse.

    If there's an outage fine, I just go to another fediverse account til kbin.social comes back. We all have other things in our life, sometimes projects have to take a back seat.

    Also I have a lot of sympathy for Ernest wanting to retain control. It's his vision, let's let him do it his way.

    Edit: the spam seems to be on mags that have Ernest as sole mod, so that might be an easy fix.

    FfaerieOxide,
    @FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

    Say, did you take over The 13th Floor from Arotrios, speaking of projects taking back seats?

    livus,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    @FfaerieOxide yes! Well not officially, but after Arotrios had been gone a long time I applied to mod it, mainly as a sort of caretaker/safe pair of hands so that Arotrios will definitely get it back if he returns.

    I don't know why/where Arotrios went. I kind of thought he'd be back by now.

    ThatOneKirbyMain2568, w I'm starting to see some serious downsides to being able to see who downvotes you.
    @ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social avatar

    While that's definitely a notable downside, I think the upsides outweigh it.

    For one, being able to see upvotes & downvotes seems to have made a lot of people a bit more thoughtful with handing them out. This obviously isn't the case for everyone — there's still a good bit of downvoting people for disagreeing with the hivemind — but I and others have observed that downvote quality is a lot better here on kbin.social, and I think that vote visibility is a big part of that.

    It's also just transparency on kbin.social's part. If votes federate, anyone can set up an instance to view your votes or just go to one that shows them. Someone could literally make a website listing downvotes throughout the fediverse, and there's nothing stopping them. Kbin.social is being transparent about the fact that votes on the fediverse can be accessed by the public, and I have no issue with that.

    EDITː Removed a stray asterisk

    livus,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    @ThatOneKirbyMain2568

    Kbin.social is being transparent about the fact that votes* on the fediverse can be accessed by the public

    This is important. The kind of petty, persevering trolls that @billothekid2 is worried about are exactly the kind of people who'd be likely to look up who downvoted them.

    Kbin just makes it clear to us that this info is out there. Anonymous voting isn't possible in federated social media.

    Eggyhead, w Ernest needs to quickly delegate or this instance will quickly die
    @Eggyhead@kbin.social avatar

    I made an mbin account to jump to whenever kbin stops functioning, which has been more frequent than I had expected. Each time I end up subscribing to more and more magazines over there to reach parity with my kbin account. Mbin hasn’t been enough of a carrot on its own to make me want to switch completely, but it’s always been working fine and even slightly easier to navigate. I’ve just got this lurking hunch that kbin will eventually end up like Artemis, the way it feels ignored at times.

    EmptyRadar, w I Still Like Kbin.social

    Well I'll tell ya that I am a big fan of kbin but I am posting this from an mbin instance because this has been going on for a looooong time now.

    Hope for the best while you prepare for the worst.

    FfaerieOxide,
    @FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

    I am a big fan of kbin but I am posting this from an mbin instance

    And good luck to your instance. I wouldn't feel as comfortable uploading anything to US servers myself, and I didn't find any words similar to the following (from your instance) on kbin.social:

    We may use the information that you provide to us, and any other information of yours that is associated with, or related to, the Web Site, including but not limited to your IP address, email address, content of posts, content of private messages, and use of the Web Site, for our internal business and we may disclose the information to law enforcement personnel, governmental agencies, legal counsel and/or third parties at any time and for any purpose.

    EmptyRadar,

    I'm not saying anything negative about kbin, and I still have and use a kbin account. I'm just saying that it's hard to post anything from an error page.

    I appreciate the info though, I am experimenting with different instances so that's good to know.

    livus,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    @FfaerieOxide good catch. Wtf.

    8BitFriendly,
    @8BitFriendly@kbin.social avatar

    Where exactly did you find this?
    I checked out https://kbin.run/privacy-policy but I couldn't find this statement.

    FfaerieOxide,
    @FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

    Where exactly did you find this?
    I checked out https://kbin.run/privacy-policy but I couldn't find this statement.

    Section 11.

    User information under Terms Of Service

    8BitFriendly,
    @8BitFriendly@kbin.social avatar

    Thanks, found it!

    boolean, w RE: Is Ernest still here?
    @boolean@kbin.social avatar

    This is a good reminder to remember people are human and may have a life outside of the computer.

    Thanks Ernest. Hope you get your issue fixed up. Your health is more important that software.

    FfaerieOxide, w Is Ernest still here?
    @FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

    He hasn't been, like... hit by a bus or anything

    Heaven forbid but the hosting bills are paid up through now at minimum.
    You got to think if he were (again, forbid) dead or something the site wouldn't refresh and we wouldn't see ads for drugs and pirated MMA streams.

    stopthatgirl7,
    !deleted7120 avatar

    The fact that we’re sitting here theorizing where Ernest is like he’s Kate Middleton is why this can’t be a one-man operation anymore. It’s too much for one person to begin with, and when people have no idea what’s going on, they’ll start going wild with theories as to what’s going on.

    FfaerieOxide,
    @FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

    The fact we're here talking on kbin.social when for all we know Ernest is talking to aliens right now on some Jodie Foster Contact shit shows how rather robust this place actually is when you think about it.

    stopthatgirl7,
    !deleted7120 avatar

    The site errored out repeatedly when I tried to like a comment, so “robust” is not the word I’m thinking right now.

    FfaerieOxide,
    @FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

    The site errored out repeatedly when I tried to like a comment

    Has there ever been a time kbin.social didn't do that from time to time? 503 is a friend of mine at this point. Neither one of us has abandoned this place for twitter so this place is clearly at least robust enough (code- and community- wise) for us still to be having this conversation here.

    Heck, I could (though won't and don't yet) argue the errors are a feature to keep you getting hooked on scrolling. There's at least 2 projects I have finished I wouldn't have worked on if this place hadn't been down at the time.

    stopthatgirl7,
    !deleted7120 avatar

    Has there ever been a time kbin.social didn't do that from time to time?

    You understand that’s not a selling point, correct?

    Hilariously, I got an error message trying to load the notification for your comment.

    And as I’ve said before, I can put up with wonkiness. But I can’t put up with no communication and not knowing what all is wrong or how long things are going to be messy. I like kbin, but I do not like wondering if social is going to go belly up with no warning and no idea when it’ll get fixed when it did start erroring out for days and no way to find out what’s even going on.

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