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warmaster, w Rockstar is selling Cracked Game Copies on Steam

You wouldn’t sell a downloaded car ™

sugar_in_your_tea, w Denuvo and DRM punish the consumer, legendary PC developer says

Yeah, how about… no DRM and instead focus on making games people want to buy. It seems to work well for CD Projekt Red, and surely it would work for others as well.

Piracy is a service problem, not a price problem.

HipHoboHarold,

I actually go to GOG first when possible specifically for this reason.

sugar_in_your_tea,

I use Linux, and Steam just works better for me than GOG. I also switch between my Steam Deck and Linux desktop, and Steam just makes that seamless.

I like the idea of GOG, but Steam just works better in the service department.

donuts, w Rockstar is selling Cracked Game Copies on Steam
@donuts@kbin.social avatar

That's pretty crazy. One would think it's not hard to put your own game on Steam.

nanoUFO, (edited )
@nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works avatar

GOG does this too they will sell you cracked games and the money goes to whoever currently owns the IP, there is almost no point giving money to GOG at that point since they don’t do anything and the IP holder didn’t do anything either. Actually GOG might steal mods and claim they made them like with system shock.

AdmiralShat,

Source on this?

nanoUFO,
@nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works avatar

forum.quartertothree.com/t/…/6

It was system shock 2 and not one but still the same thing.

www.gog.com/forum/general_archive/…/page1

AdmiralShat,

Just a point against the second thread you linked, Gog selling cracked games, according to the thread you linked, allows them to be run without a disc on modern hardware

The crack also means it’s not altering the source code, according to the user’s in that thread

As for the first thread, yeah that’s pretty shitty.

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

How else would copy protection get removed if the original source code was lost?

If mods are licensed in a way redistribution is allowed, it’s not stealing either.

I don’t get your outrage.

RootBeerGuy,
@RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I don’t think this is about removing copy protection to sell it.

It is more about that the crack they are now selling officially has been seen as illegal by the publisher/game developer itself. People have worked on this for no monetary compensation and therefore provided free labour to remove DRM. Now the publisher is banking on this free work, pretty much legitimising the crack. But none of the money actually goes to anyone who cracked the game, since that was still illegal.

If the publisher had just removed DRM themselves and sold those copies, no one would be outraged. But they exploit the work of people they keep condeming for cracking their games.

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Well, if someone spray painted the door of my car without my permission, it’s vandalism but still my car. If it later turns out that it was done by Banxie and that “vandalism” is worth millions, I can still sell my car however I like and owe Banxie nothing.

Btw, freeware is a thing. Did those cracks ever get released without the permission to freely distribute? If not, those cracks may be used by the rights holder however they like. That’s not the problem. Releasing broken shit is the problem.

RootBeerGuy, (edited )
@RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Seriously… a car analogy. Wow. And a pretty bad one at that.

But I will help you fix that analogy for free, since I feel nice today. A crack for DRM isn’t like adding artwork to a car to make it worth more.

If anything this is about a car that has certain defects that make it work less well than it should. E.g. you cannot switch into gear 5. It runs slower than it could. So people go and fix that, for free. Now the automobile maker takes that free fix and sells all new cars with it. Is that ok? There, still a crap analogy but arguably better than yours.

You ask if the cracks are released with permission to freely distribute? Actually no, they are not. Because they are marked illegal by the law. They should not be distributed since thats against the law. But its of course convenient for the publisher to use that work and distribute themselves. They are technically breaking the law themselves since they are applying illegal cracks to their own software. So thats ok then?

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

So people go and fix that, for free. Now the automobile maker takes that free fix and sells all new cars with it. Is that ok? There, still a crap analogy but arguably better than yours.

OK, cool. Too bad you forgot that in modern jurisdiction buying a game is merely like leasing a car. So yeah, if a workshop fixes the car for free the actual owner of the car can make use of those fixes however he likes.

Maybe target your energy at the actual shitty thing Rockstar does: Selling broken games. The means how they removed Securom is irrelevant. The fact that the games are broken garbage is not.

nanoUFO, (edited )
@nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works avatar

This is outrage because I posted about another company doing the same thing as the in post?

SSUPII,

It’s not GOG that does that. A lot of developers that publish there having lost the source code or the tools and knowledge to build it upload cracked or patched releases themselves. And it’s not a GOG thing either, as for example Sam & Max: Hit the Road is just the cracked DOS game bundled inside a ScummVM runner on both Steam and GOG releases.

iegod,

This honestly sounds like the perfect distribution model. You get the game, IP holder gets paid, no one is bothered by DRM. If you don’t want to pay because you don’t want to pay, well that’s up to you.

Like I’m kind of confused by the premise of your argument and excuse me if I got it wrong but certainly you’re not saying if you pay, it better have some kind of DRM?

nanoUFO, (edited )
@nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works avatar

Look if i’m going to buy torrented and cracked files owned by whatever billion dollar company has vacuumed up a 1000 ip’s in a go I at least want to know 0 effort has been put into packaging the game and that all I’m doing is buying a pirated version of the game with other peoples stuff resold without credit or reimbursement. Like cracks and mods they package into these releases.

baatliwala,

Don’t GOG actually patch the old games and add fixes to make it work on modern systems?

nanoUFO,
@nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works avatar

Well with system shock 2 they just downloaded mods and fixes and added it to the game and then claimed they worked on them. Given that one would think that’s basically all they do.

Brunbrun6766, w Epic are hiring for a Fortnite open world survival game
@Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world avatar

So…the original game…

stratoscaster,

Iirc the original game was wave-defence. I remember hearing about it in 2012 ages ago, but they axed it soon after they released the battle royale

TrousersMcPants,

Nah they didn’t axe it, they just really limited development. You can still buy and play the game and it’s alright. Frankly if it wasn’t for the battle Royale mode no one would be talking about Fortnite today, I played the testing from before BR mode and it wasn’t that cool.

sjh, w Weekly what have you been playing discussion - week of September, 4, 2023

Just bought armored core! Very excited

corrupts_absolutely, w It sounds like Bethesda’s Indiana Jones game will be revealed in 2024

hopefully you dont have to fast travel between the fridges

Anticorp, w Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom Isn't Getting Any DLC, Says Nintendo

Good, it doesn’t need it. It was released as a complete game and I’m happy to see it stay that way.

Eezyville,
@Eezyville@sh.itjust.works avatar

I would like a Master Mode. I miss those golden Lynels.

BlinkerFluid, w Epic are hiring for a Fortnite open world survival game
@BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one avatar

What kind of survival game?


Get out of here, Stalker!

yelling at Darth Vader

caseyweederman, w Xbox Exclusive Replaced Delayed: 'At This Point We Can't Afford to Release a Sub-Par Game'

Heck, I’m still waiting for Witchmarsh.

Whirling_Ashandarei, w PC and console cross-play is on the roadmap for Baldur's Gate 3

Happy to hear it, bought it thinking it was going to be cross play on launch and was getting worried.

Sanctus, w Focus Entertainment's Void Crew Under Fire for Copying Destiny 2's Pyramid Ship Design
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Nobody can make a triangle with glowy lines in space anymore guys.

kugmo, w Xbox Exclusive Replaced Delayed: 'At This Point We Can't Afford to Release a Sub-Par Game'
@kugmo@sh.itjust.works avatar

Starfield’s quality really shook them huh.

NewNewAccount,

Good or bad?

li10,

Buggy and disappointing to a lot of people.

woelkchen, (edited )
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Buggy and disappointing to a lot of people.

And here I am, thinking that it fits Game Pass with its “7/10, would not buy it but it’s alright if it’s on GamePass” quality games just perfectly.

NOT_RICK, w Pokémon Go now has more Pokémon than any main series game
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Too bad it’s still not fun to play

hddsx,

What’s not fun about it? I quit 3 months in because there were no pokestops in my area, really

goetzit,

Its a collectors game with nothing good to collect. This might seem like a silly take, and with 813 pokemon now in the game, it should be. But the way pokemon are laid out in this game is just horrendous.

In the main series games, you LOOK for pokemon. You might just wander around the grass for a while and take what you get, but at some point, you have a shopping list. In order to find specific pokemon, you go to a specific location. You find the pokemon you are looking for, often with others similar in type.

Well, in pokemon go, this isn’t the case at all. There are maybe 20-40 pokemon in the spawn pool at any given time. Go somewhere, ANYWHERE around you, and you are going to see more of the same. Once you have them, you wait for the next spawn rotation (sometimes thats 1 month, sometimes its 8) or events. The events are somewhere between 3 hours and 1 week long, and then you might actually have some cool shit, and the game is exciting for a bit. But after that, its back to the same old bullshit.

Now the game is just about collecting shinies. This is really what niantic has tried to monetize. The (often only) way to get them is to either hatch eggs (buying incubators) or doing raids (buying raid passes). The other way to get them is by doing certain events where they hand them out like candy. I stopped a couple years ago when i had well over 300 shinies, because there just wasn’t a point anymore. The whole “cool collectible” factor came from them being rare, if everyone gets them in events, why is it special?

ninjan,

300 different pokemon shiny or 300 shinies including dupes? While getting a shiny during an event is easy actually being committed and grind out every shiny event is crazy dedication. I can’t bother with the game because the core gameplay loop is just so incredibly boring, and as you say is nothing like Pokemon should be. I’m slowly transferring everything to Pokemon Home and in that regard it has been pretty nice in terms of getting legendaries and mythicals that are really tough in the main series games to get. I’ve never catched the original 151 before and when I combine Let’s Go Pikachu with Pokemon Go into Pokemon Home I’ll actually tick that childhood goal off, which feels nice.

goetzit,

Definitely including dupes, I got rid of tons of dupes from events but the spawn pool was so limited you were bound go get more. I was dedicated enough to grind out wild shinies, but if it was locked behind incubators or raids, forget about it.

caseyweederman,

Well, no. Rates are higher at different times of day, near bodies of water, in different weather, closer to high-foot-traffic zones, in forests, from eggs and from raids.
Not to mention continents.

NOT_RICK,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Personally I just find it to be a location data collecting app with a light video game skin over top of it. I love Pokemon and wore out of the game when I realized player fun isn’t niantic’s priority in the slightest, it’s how to squeeze more and more data to sell out of the player. If it wasn’t for the blue chip IP they landed the company would be gone already. Literally every other game they’ve launched has been a flop

can,

Does anyone still play ingress?

NOT_RICK,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

I’m sure some do, seems like that’s the only other one of their games with any staying power

TAG,
@TAG@lemmy.world avatar

I tried it for the first time a few months ago. It was bad. The in-game tutorial does not cover half of it and the game play that I could figure out was super shallow. I could probably look up third party getting started guides, but I did not think it was worth the bother.

can,

I don’t think I ever really understood it either lol

MimicJar,

I’ve been playing since launch, although admittedly not much the past few weeks, and I think it’s fun depending on what you find fun.

I’ve never been big on the Battling (PvP or Raiding) but I’ve enjoyed the “Catch 'em All”.

I do however agree that even the “catch” part of the game is poorly put together. For example while the game may contain 800+ Pokemon, realistically you can only ever catch ~30 different species at a given time. If you started a new account today and did ALL the activities available, really grinding for a month, you’d probably only have ~200 or so Pokemon. If you played for a year, maybe double that.

For this reason why isn’t Pokemon HOME considered the game with the most Pokemon?

caseyweederman,

I lost a bunch of legendaries when my Pokébank subscription lapsed.
I’ve been collecting legendaries in Go for ages to rebuild my stable, and I’ve only just realized that Go legendaries don’t count until you’ve had one in the destination game. Which means that Go legendaries are totally without value in terms of collecting a first of anything.

can,

Oh damn, I forgot about Pokebank. Farewell forgotten 'mon.

caseyweederman,

Seems like a coin toss on whether or not your mons got wiped when your subscription ended.
If you can dig up a 3DS with Pokébank and whatever the intermediary app was, you might still be able to pull them all out, now that Bank (the service) is now free.

FracturedEel,

Dude pokebank is free now?

SSUPII,

Yeah, when the eShop shut down they made Bank completely free. In the app it appears as you have an extremely large number of days of trial.

can,

Schrödinger’s Pokemon

mojo,

Pretty sure you can just reactivate your sub for like a month and get everything back to at least transfer out.

caseyweederman,

Well now it’s free forever, you just need to sideload the application itself.
Some stuff got wiped. It was never clear why it happened to some people and not others.

NOT_RICK,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

I lost interest in catching them all when I got to the point where the main pokemon I don’t have are behind ridiculously low egg rates. Add in the few pokemon where I’d ether have to buy plane tickets to Alaska and Greece or violate the TOS by spoofing my GPS signal and I just decided the juice wasn’t worth the squeeze

MenschlicherFehler, w It sounds like Bethesda’s Indiana Jones game will be revealed in 2024

Don’t care about Indiana Jones.

But MachineGames made some of the best FPS of the last decade… so I will at least take a look.

LameName3000, w Starfield gets low-spec PC mod for those gaming on potatoes

Reminds me of Oldblivion. It was amazing being able to play that game with a Geforce 3.

Ricaz,

It’s just poorly made (performance wise), period.

Even modern hardware struggle with that crap. The old “But will it run Crysis?” meme is even more relevant for Oblivion

vaultdweller013,

Me: Turns on HDR

Oblivion: Fucking crashes

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