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li10, w Counter Strike 2 is surprisingly awful on Steam Deck right now

You’d have to be a masochist to actually play this on steam deck or with any controller.

Unless they have some sort of “steam deck only” matchmaking, but even then it’s just not made for controller.

noobdoomguy8658,

It’s not a standard xbox controller. There’s a gyro with several ways to handle it, including flick, which does take a little time to get used to, but works really well as a mouse substitution for such an environment. Some people are just that good with a thumbstick as well and can easily enjoy casual gamemodes.

Steam Deck is a capable beast, even for a game like Counter-Strike.

DopamineDaydreams,
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The same was said about the steam controller, but in the end it was still shit compared to a mouse. It's just not feasible in a game as competitive as csgo.

azvasKvklenko,

It’s not for everyone, but calling it shit just because it doesn’t work easily for your liking is
a bit much since it’s still usable to some. I beat plethora of shooters on gyro and it wasn’t that much harder than playing on mouse once I got used to it.

forgotaboutlaye,

Controllers in general are also extremely accessible, and expandable for those that might struggle using a tradtional mouse and keyboard.

Whirlybird, (edited )

Eh, people always say this yet data shows it’s not true. Many competitive games have had controller vs m+k and found no discernible advantage. Halo for one, gears of war is another I remember.

I play with an elite controller and I have had zero problem winning and going mvp against m+k players in any game I’ve played. I play PUBG where m+k use is rampant and I still maintain a 30-40% win rate in squads, often in 2 man squads.

noobdoomguy8658,

CS:GO is dead, though, and neither of the popular and beloved entries to the series was ever solely focused on the competitive scene - the community and the casual fun also matter in the world of Counter-Strike, and that’s one of its parts that can be enjoyed on a controller just fine. Of course I don’t expect to be able to perform just as well or better than the M+K players when playing on a controller, regardless of its gyro capabilities, especially in the competitive modes. Counter-Strike is just much more than just a competitive game.

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li10,

I’d say in this instance there’s a massive difference between CS and OW tbh.

I can believe that you could do well and enjoy OW on controller vs M+K, as the game gives you a lot of tools that reduce the need for good aim.

In CS, I just can’t see how you’d work around that though. To each their own, but I don’t see how CS could ever be enjoyable on controller vs K+M.

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    pec, (edited )

    At its core, CS is a competitive shooter. Having casual maps and modes is fun but the game should not cater to this play mode. If valve tries to make it casual friendly they will disappoint the competitive players and will not be able to compete with other casual shooters.

    Basically I don’t want then to cater too much to the casual scene

    AdmiralShat,

    Valve caters more to the casual scene than most companies do by allowing custom servers and an in game custom server browser.

    How much more casual can it get?

    Corkyskog,
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    Being on a console, on the couch.

    AdmiralShat,

    CSGO was made entirely for the purpose of being a console game, no body played it on console so they abandoned it

    You are perfectly capable of setting on the couch at any time. The computer does not stop this. You are actively making the decision to not sit on a couch, as an adult you’re allowed to do this.

    noobdoomguy8658,

    This isn’t what’s happening, though? What are you on about?

    Aurenkin,

    You can use a keyboard and mouse with the steam deck. Probably not super common but definitely doable.

    BolexForSoup,
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    It’s plenty common. I have a dock all set up as do many others!

    candle_lighter,
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    Gyro aim is very good and can easily compete with a mouse

    sockman,

    Not in a game like counter strike with flicking and very precise spray patterns.

    candle_lighter,
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    Both of those things are easily done with Gyro. You should try it out :D

    sockman,

    Of course, I don’t doubt that. But someone with say 500 hours in csgo playing with keyboard mouse will absolutely destroy someone with 500 hours playing with sticks/gyro. But honestly I can’t think of a single streamer or pro that doesn’t use keyboard mouse

    mojo,

    Gyro is a nice improvement on joystick gaming, but it sure as hell isn’t even remotely close to mouse aim

    OrekiWoof,

    My friend plays basically the same on gyro and on mouse, he’s 3-4 ranks below global elite. Why do you think gyro is so much worse?

    mojo, (edited )

    Yeah I don’t believe that at all

    Small adjustments from rotating a controller will never be nearly as precise as moving a mouse.

    Fast flicking wide turns is going to be far too slow even at the fastest joystick speed, which would screw up aiming in other ways as well

    Strafing would be very limited even if you somehow overcame all those issues and were magically a human robot. Your controller can only rotate so much to track the player over a distance.

    Joystick movement is simply never as precise as mouse, including with gyro that has a separate slow speed to try and be accurate as possible. Which doing that then means you can’t strafe or quick turn.

    Mouse can do it all with significantly less effort, and with a much higher skill ceiling. Which that is what matters if you’re in competitive play. If you’re not trying to be competitive, then fuck it, use whatever is fun.

    Kocher, w Counter Strike 2 is surprisingly awful on Steam Deck right now

    It runs surprisingly well hooked up to a monitor using keyboard and mouse. It’s not beautiful or high FPS z but it’s playable. Only issue I am facing is that I don’t see fog or fire unless I am standing inside. I can just see through it.

    TopRamenBinLaden,

    You can just see through the smoke grenades? That’s wild.

    HidingCat, w Report: Fall Guys dev Mediatonic "decimated" by Epic layoffs

    Welp. I only played Murder By Numbers from them, but it's sad to see a studio you know get hit like that.

    slimerancher,
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    Oooh, I didn’t know it was by them.

    HidingCat,

    Yea, it was a fun little mash up of VN and nonograms.

    candle_lighter, w Counter Strike 2 is surprisingly awful on Steam Deck right now
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    Is anyone else having issues with the game not allowing you to use any input except the left stick

    XTornado,

    It’s the new PRO Gamer mode.

    TopRamenBinLaden,

    I can’t imagine trying to play CS on the sticks, and apparently Valve’s QA team couldn’t either.

    Veraxus, w Game prices are too low, says Capcom exec
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    Everyone: "Games are getting WAY too expensive."

    Out of touch executive: "Games are too cheap! Why are our sales going down? I promised the shareholders infinite growth!"

    hogart,
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    Games haven’t gotten more expensive since ever. Like I said above, The Original Donkey Kong for the SNES was 66 usd. It releases in 1994.

    dandi8,

    That's a very US-centric view, at best. I paid about 23 dollars for a brand new copy of Half-Life 2 in 2004.

    hogart,
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    I live in Sweden. But saying it cost 799sek in 1994 might not give you a good idea of its cost.

    dandi8,

    Fair enough. Still, games used to be vastly cheaper in my country and the asking price for the basic version of Starfield is 80 USD. There is no way any game is worth this much of my income.

    hogart,
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    Like I said. The price tag on Donkey Kong from 1994 says 799sek which in today’s market is worth 66 usd. I can’t be arsed to follow index and calculate how much that was in -94 but it’s a lot more than Starfield.

    My only point here is that games haven’t really increased in price ever. Anyone claiming it has, is wrong. We can discuss the other parameters all day with (un)finished products, mtx, bugs, paid dlc etc. The fact still stands that games in 2023 haven’t vastly increased in price at all. And we have a lot of free options now as well that didn’t exist back in the ninetees.

    Veraxus,
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    In 1994 you were buying a physical, manufactured product which you owned.

    Now you are temporarily licensing access to something that doesn’t exist, can’t be transferred or resold or backed up or modified, has unlimited reproduction potential for no cost, and sells at scales unimaginable in 1994 dwarfing all other consumer markets in total revenue.

    Games are dramatically overpriced.

    520,

    That was as expensive as it was back then because the game released on what is effectively a PCB. Which was expensive to make.

    Tenniswaffles,

    How expensive? Because accounting for inflation, $66 in 1994 is worth about $136 in 2023.

    520, (edited )

    The expense was probably quite considerable. Not only do you have to have the game ROM on a chip, you would also need Nintendo's lockout chip too. If your game had a battery save system (DKC did) you would also need to buy a RAM chip and watch battery too. That's ignoring any enhancement chips as DKC didn't use any (but many other late generation games did).

    And all that before you get to the fact that the only who could officially make these boards was Nintendo. Meaning there isn't exactly much competition driving prices down. Sure, Nintendo couldn't quite take the piss the way they could in the NES days, as Sega was all too eager to try and attract new games for its console, but unless you wanted to completely remake your game, you're dealing with the big N's bullshit.

    The boards could probably have been made much cheaper today than in the 90s, as ROM memory was expensive AF, even the couple-of-MB ones used in the consoles of the day.

    There's a reason PS1 and Saturn games were massively cheaper to buy than N64 games.

    Gabu,

    If you buy a game today, does it come with a free SSD to install it in? Does it have a paper manual and a nice box? Is it even finished? Games aren’t cheaper, you’re just getting scammed.

    corrupts_absolutely, w Underrail: Heavy Duty Trailer

    thats huge! excited for machine guns, but also hopefully this comes with firearm/other systems rebalance

    Gamey, w Thanks to a bug, players have found a 'realm of naked men' in Baldur's Gate 3

    I mean, hot naked people seem to be one of their best selling point so it’s a very fitting bug for sure!

    Swim, w GameStop's New Billionaire Boss Calls For 'Extreme Frugality' In Email To Staff

    love how the drs your gme was calling this a fake tweet earlier

    ryannathans,

    Superstonk mods have been compromised for a long time, silencing discussion of various topics and derailing discourse. Not to mention thousands of bot accounts manipulating what gets seen. The original members have partially moved to other forums and lemmy

    mojo, w Thanks to a bug, players have found a 'realm of naked men' in Baldur's Gate 3

    I blame Gale

    gamerlamer, w SAG-AFTRA Talks With Video Game Industry End With No Deal

    Many of the issues involved in the union’s 11-week film and TV strike are common to those in the video game contract, including wages and artificial intelligence.

    The 10 companies facing a possible strike are:

    Activision Productions Inc., Blindlight LLC, Disney Character Voices Inc., Electronic Arts Productions Inc., Epic Games, Inc., Formosa Interactive LLC, Insomniac Games Inc., Take 2 Productions Inc., VoiceWorks Productions Inc., and WB Games Inc.

    gamerlamer,

    Those are some huge names

    FoundTheVegan,
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    True! And here is hoping the list should gets bigger.

    gaael, w Thanks to a bug, players have found a 'realm of naked men' in Baldur's Gate 3

    Time to deactivate autoamtic updates in case they fix the bug before I can visit !

    mateomaui, w Hatoful Boyfriend dev has not received any royalty payments from Epic games since Spring 2021

    Seems like it’s even worse than that

    https://i.imgur.com/jEXrS5L.jpg

    mateomaui, w Hatoful Boyfriend dev has not received any royalty payments from Epic games since Spring 2021

    Just waiting for people to come in here and bash the dev for still being on Twitter.

    HubertManne, w Thanks to a bug, players have found a 'realm of naked men' in Baldur's Gate 3
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    You should see it when it rains.

    DLSchichtl,

    “It’s Raining Men” and “Let the Bodies Hit the Floor” are about the same event, but from different perspectives.

    DarkThoughts, w Thanks to a bug, players have found a 'realm of naked men' in Baldur's Gate 3

    Damn, even the bugs are woke now! /s

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