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Smacks, do games w Stop using Fandom
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I’ve always advocated against using Fandom. Not much customization and so many ads it makes the platform downright unusable.

A much better alternative is Wiki.gg, created by some of the original founders of Fandom.

Boiglenoight,

Great suggestion, thanks.

w3dd1e, do games w Stop using Fandom

TLDR; Fandom has a lot of QAnon articles written to make the scams seem legitimate to less computer savvy people.

My mom has fallen in a Qanon conspiracy world. The people from that world write Fandom articles about themselves to make it seem legitimate. I found them when I started investigating these people trying to convince her to steer clear.

I don’t trust a single thing on Fandom anymore.

umbrella, (edited ) do games w Stop using Fandom
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  • LufyCZ,

    food?

    Cethin,

    We can’t just get out of capitalism, but you can work to improve your situation. If you have a yard, grow a garden.

    Also, see if there’s a mutual aid group in your area, and if not consider talking with your neighbors about what you can do to help each other out. One person might be good with car Maintanance. Another might be a good gardener. Everyone can contribute something.

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  • Cethin,

    Where did I say it would solve the climate crisis? I was just having an alternative to capitalism to provide some of your food. Of course it won’t dismantle capitalism or save the world. People have been gardening forever, yet here we are. It’s just a step you can take to take some control over your situation back.

    tigeruppercut,

    decentralized open alternative (like lemmy) to take back control

    which unfortunately still require capital to run

    CosmicCleric,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism.

    There was a time, long ago, where companies actually cared about their customers, and wanted to sell them good products while making a profit, and they strived for the win - win, and the “customer is always right” philosophy. They took their fair share, and they didn’t triy to squeeze every last dime out of their customers with crappy products.

    Not that that they were saints by any stretch of the imagination (there were definitely bad players back then too) but there used to be a sense of ethics with Capitalism, in America at least, a sense of products being warrantied to work the way they should be and advertised as how they would actually work.

    I have no effing idea how to get back to that state, as it seems like the “lunch for wimps” crowd are running the c-suites these days.

    Tlaloc_Temporal,
    @Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca avatar

    Regulation. Take the money out of governing, both national government and private directors. If someone makes decisions that affect many people, make that person accountable, either through a competitive market or a functioning justice system.

    The problem is that the fantastically efficient tool that is capitalism will try to increase it reach as much as possible. Killing competition and undermining laws will always be the end goal, so long as they are in anyway allowed.

    The reason companies used to care is because not caring drove customers to the competition. But then there was no competition, and the care evaporated. As long as they are allowed, they will take. Civility can only be guaranteed if profits are on the line.

    wizardbeard,

    Or we could just… host our own wikis. There’s plenty of open source software for them. It’s not hard. Not everything needs to be federated.

    Pringles, do games w Stop using Fandom

    I used to have the app, but that was ad galore. Now when I browse it, usually for some book series, with firefox and some ad blockers, it’s perfectly fine to read and browse. So I don’t really get the hate, but that might be because I don’t usually browse it for new content, but as a reference for finished series, like the wheel of time.

    thorbot, do games w Stop using Fandom

    Okay, I will stop using the thing I have never used once in my life

    Pxtl,
    @Pxtl@lemmy.ca avatar

    You probably did use it if you’re a nerd under its old name, Wikia, back before it got enshittified.

    bigredcar, do games w Stop using Fandom

    The biggest insult is that Jimbo Wales of Wikipedia helped create fandom because he was fed up of people using Wikipedia to create detailed articles about fictional characters and video games. Wikipedia now has an artificially strict notability policy where things are falsely declared as not notable so they can be monetized on Fandom, all while Jimbo Wales has the gall to ask for money for his “non profit” Wikipedia while he makes the real money on Fandom.

    RickyRigatoni,
    @RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

    If this is real I’ll be genuinely glad I haven’t donated to wikipedia yet.

    Pxtl,
    @Pxtl@lemmy.ca avatar

    I mean the conspiracy theory side of it is questionable but the basic facts are true:

    1. Wikipedia has a policy against non-notable things. They were always embarrassed by the fact that every detailed version of every Pokemon had its own page, whereas the pages for important historical events were stubs. The WP:Notability standard has been the bane of every garage band and open-source game and DVD extra that was booted off the site because trivia cannot meaningfully be checked, trivia that otherwise allows hoax articles to live on.
    2. Jimbo Wales decided to profit off of the desire to create fan-encyclopedias or even complete nonsense (like, for example, Penny Arcade’s Elemenstor Saga wiki, which details the history of a novel series and anime and cardgame that never existed) by creating Wikia, the for-profit Wikipedia that had no standards about what you could put on it besides legality. Just create your own Wikia and run it with an iron fist.

    Now, the question is whether he did (1) in order to drive profitable users to (2). That’s where the conspiracy question lives. And I tend to assume good faith. People’s morals erode over time, not all at once. Since both (1) and (2) are totally legitimate, but profit motive encourages the millimetre-by-millimetre enshittification of Wikia into the horrible thing it is today.

    AnxiousOtter,

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  • Cris_Color,
    @Cris_Color@lemmy.world avatar

    The video posted is actually all about what the competition is like :) its hard to compete with a huge company like wikia/fandom, but folks are making it work anyway, and that’s pretty cool. I really enjoyed the video

    Cris_Color,
    @Cris_Color@lemmy.world avatar

    I’d be very curious to hear more details on this, do you happen to have a source handy, or any recommended reading?

    In fairness, the money he gets from being a scumbag with fandom probably can’t be used to fund Wikipedia unless he wants to donate the money he’s making from his business to run his nonprofit. It’s not surprising he wouldn’t do that (even if thats the way the world ought to work) and I don’t presently have reason to believe he personally gets anything out of the donations that are given to keep Wikipedia running

    Moneo,

    I love hearsay and dramatic “quotations”.

    dogslayeggs, do games w Skyblivion trailer | Our Scariest Update On The Road To Release

    Are they going to fix the fact that all the realms of oblivion are basically one of six basic maps?

    Keegen, (edited )

    Yes, I don’t remember if it was said during one of those showcase videos or if Rebel himself answered it during one of his streams but Daedric realms will be reworked to make them more interesting and fun to do.

    Edit: It was actually mentioned during the Road to Release video, I’ve timestamped the relevant part.

    emill1984, do muzyka w Skytech @ Sunrise Festival 2023 (DJ Set)
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    cc: @bobiko

    rustyfish, do games w EVE Online - Down the Rabbit Hole
    @rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m halfway through. But I also like Joseph Anderson and Noah Caldwell-Gervais. So I’m used to these kind of behemoths. It’s good.

    jacktherippah, do games w Stop using Fandom

    Honestly, fuck Fandom. Do we have a Fediverse alternative?

    Flax_vert,

    Why would we need a fediverse alternative 😂 unless you want to go around editing wikis with your mastodon account, wikis are basically just static webpages. It’s called HTML 😂

    Kolanaki,
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    I, for one, would be totally cool having a single account to do everything online as long as it had really good security. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    Gestrid,

    Believe it or not, Wikipedia actually does use a single global account for all of its wikis. That includes Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikimedia Commons, and almost every other site listed on their website. The only one you have to create a separate account for is their test wiki where they test new versions of MediaWiki (the software they develop for their wikis).

    DestinyGrey,

    Wikis like Fandom typically make it easy/easier to create and edit pages. Wiki editors are rare and you want to make it as easy for them to latch onto helping and volunteering as is possible.

    Maybe a fediverse option isn’t needed (though the below comment’s point about having a central account would make it easier for a lot of users), but having a convenient and easy way to create a wiki for your favorite fandom, without using Fandom would go a long way toward breaking Fandom’s hold over the entertainment sections of the internet.

    astral_avocado,

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  • Natanael,

    There’s Fossil which is a version control system with a wiki, so you can just straight up fork and mirror existing wikis.

    Cethin,

    I learned about this plug in the other day. Indie Wiki Buddy. It’s not a fediverse alternative, but it’s the next best thing. It can redirect your Fandom results to their independent alternatives.

    Xanthrax, (edited ) do games w EVE Online - Down the Rabbit Hole
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    I was super excited this video came out, and immediately posted it to the video community.

    I’m still excited, but I guess everyone forgot about him and hates video essayists now. The metrics are horrible. I feel bad, he worked 2 years.

    Edit: that “I” was on accident! I’m not him.

    clearleaf,

    It has over 612k views in 22 hours but if the watch time is low that’s probably because everyone is waiting for their chance to properly watch it. Also I personally wouldn’t call these video essays they’re more like documentaries. Not that it matters but if there’s backlash against video essays I’d really like channels like this to not be included in that.

    Xanthrax,
    @Xanthrax@lemmy.world avatar

    I agree, but based on the negative feedback, I think that’s how it’s going 😢

    Rai,

    All of the comments I’ve read have been insane praise for it!

    Rai,

    This is a straight up documentary. I feel like he should have released it in hour-to-hour-and-a-half parts, but massive respect for coming outta nowhere after two years and dropping this fucking masterpiece

    CluckN,

    I think people prefer essays on events/people over a 5 hour game documentary.

    Xanthrax,
    @Xanthrax@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s both. It ties in with the history of the internet and economics. Another video he made was about chess, but it was also about early AI.

    I’m guessing you don’t like long form?

    I personally like it. I love Dan Carlin aswell and he’ll go even longer.

    MycoBro,

    There is no other way. At least for anything worth learning about.

    Rai, (edited )

    Hell yeah Dan Carlin. I looooove longform stuff.

    clearleaf,

    It has over 612k views in 22 hours but if the watch time is low that’s probably because everyone is waiting for their chance to properly watch it. Also I personally wouldn’t call these video essays they’re more like documentaries. Not that it matters but if there’s backlash against video essays I’d really like channels like this to not be included in that.

    Tenthrow,
    @Tenthrow@lemmy.world avatar

    I mean it’s hard to sell a 6 hour video. I immediately wanted to watch it when it showed up in my feed, but then paused when I saw the run time. I WANT to watch it, but that’s a massive chunk.

    magnetosphere,
    @magnetosphere@kbin.social avatar

    I know what you mean. EVE is an interesting project, but SIX HOURS? Damn.

    ivanafterall,

    I think they presume that, if you are already into EVE Online, you aren't too concerned with sinking shame-inducing amounts of time into your entertainment.

    SpeakinTelnet, do games w EVE Online - Down the Rabbit Hole
    Igloojoe,

    6 hours. Oh jeeze. That’s more time than i ever spent total playing EVE online…

    Cybersteel, do games w EVE Online - Down the Rabbit Hole
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    Ok and?

    Sabakodgo, do games w Stop using Fandom
    @Sabakodgo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I only use it for WoWpedia, because it has a lot of information from years ago. I still remember when they added so many unnecessary interface elements and the website became slower. Luckily, I found userstyles.world/style/5722/clean-fandom-wiki, which made it usable again.

    SPOOPYGHOST,

    The wow wiki has recently moved to wiki gg and they ported everything over so definitely Check it out!

    Sabakodgo,
    @Sabakodgo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Thanks! Didn’t know they tried to leave fandom for a while. warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Warcraft_Wiki

    Flax_vert, do games w Stop using Fandom

    Mfw you want to check some quick Minecraft details and you get a pop up then half your screen covered with one video. Thank heavens that they created minecraft.wiki as a wiki is basically essential for playing that game.

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