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Cornpop, do games w Meta wants to be the Microsoft of headsets

Will always be a niche product. The general population has no interest in strapping a display to their face. This shit is just 3D tv round 2

echodot,

It could be a lot more but we don’t have anyone in a position of authority within these companies with any kind of long-term vision.

All they have to do is look at sci-fi and basically make that but they’re too obsessed about their walled gardens

emeralddawn45,

It’s that fucking readyplayerone movie. They all saw that and thought “what if everyone was obsessed with a virtual world, and there was only one virtual world that was basically a monopoly, and what if we controlled it all” without realizing how dumb that is and that competing, and likely better software will definitely end up being created organically by people who care about the end result more than they do about money.

echodot,

Exactly it needs to be an open standard or there’s no point. Someone pointed out the other day that Epic has a much better chance of creating a metaverse by leveraging fortnite user created content. Still isn’t ideal, but it’s better than anything Facebook is offering, and at least has something that a future standard to build on.

NOT_RICK, do games w Meta wants to be the Microsoft of headsets
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not the hardware side of the Quest I take issue with, zucc

Kolanaki, do games w Meta wants to be the Microsoft of headsets
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So they wanna discontinue dealing in VR, just like Microsoft did? 🤔

stardust, do games w Meta wants to be the Microsoft of headsets

I decided to wait for Valve standalone. Even if it never comes out I’d rather keep waiting than get a meta headset.

RaoulDook,

The Valve Index is here already and great. No bullshit like the Quest, just VR that works well. If you have a gaming PC with at least a quad-core and RTX 3060 then you should be good to get started with one. Mine works fine on a 9-year old gaming PC with 6 cores, 16GB RAM, and an RTX 3060TI. The motherboard is that old, the rest of the parts are newer (mostly GPU)

Kolanaki,
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The index isn’t standalone 🤦‍♂️

RaoulDook,

Yeah no shit. Standalone isn’t as good as wired because you can’t fit a bigass Nvidia card inside a VR headset.

Kolanaki,
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I own a lot of VR games and the only one that doesn’t have a port that works natively on the Quest is Half-Life Alyx. Standalones can also be plugged in or stream PCVR wirelessly, and all of the standalone HMDs I am aware of, have better hardware than the aging Index (and thus look better even when not doing PCVR). Even the trackers are better and smaller and don’t require a home base station.

RaoulDook,

No, the Index still has a higher resolution than the Quest2 and earlier standalone VR headsets, and the Index still has a class-leading 130-degree field of view and 144Hz refresh rate. It has excellent sound and the best VR controllers on the market. It’s still an overall great VR setup for those of us that have good gaming PCs.

I’ve been playing Dark Souls, Elden Ring, and Cyberpunk 2077 in VR on my Index recently using mods. It’s fuckin’ awesome.

Kolanaki,
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The Index still has a higher resolution than the Quest 2 and earlier standalone VR headsets

Uh… The Index has a resolution of 1440x1600 per eye with 15PPD. The Quest 2 is 1832x1920 per eye with 20PPD. The Quest 1 had the exact same resolution as the Index. The Quest 3 is 2064x2208 per eye and Pico 4 is 2160x4320 per eye. The Index doesn’t lead the FOV game anymore, either; but the beasts with 200+ FOV are also super expensive and better in every other way too like the Pimax Vision.

I like Valve, too, but they’re not the best at everything.

davidgro,

I think by standalone they mean ‘no PC’. Like the Quest ones that run the games on themselves.

vikingtons,
@vikingtons@lemmy.world avatar

They’re thinking of something that can work unteathered to a PC, like the rumoured valve deckard system

RaoulDook,

Right but you can’t buy one of those, they aren’t on the market. What Valve has currently is excellent already but you can’t walk around town wearing it (as if anyone would need to)

vikingtons,
@vikingtons@lemmy.world avatar

I get you but that’s not what the commenter above is looking for.

I know the Index is fantastic and I’m truly happy for you, but I can appreciate other people being in the market for high fidelity VR with a substantially lower asking price (along with a lower total cost of ownership as a standalone system).

We can’t let meta pull ahead in this industry unchecked, and I really hope Valve (or literally anybody else) can step up to this segment in the near future.

elliot_crane, do games w Meta wants to be the Microsoft of headsets

Why the fuck would anyone want to be the Microsoft of anything?

Voytrekk,
@Voytrekk@lemmy.world avatar

💲 💲 💲

garretble, do games w Meta wants to be the Microsoft of headsets
@garretble@lemmy.world avatar

Sorry, Mark, so long as Meta is attached to the headset I’m not going to buy it.

I don’t even let Meta websites into my house. I have all that blocked at the DNS level.

Pacmanlives,

I wish I could do that at our house. My wife would lose her shit though along with we need it for events sadly. The one thing FB is good for is groups and events.

Good_morning,

Exactly, I’d buy a headset from Temu before Id buy something from Meta

DAMunzy, do games w Discord Shuts Down Servers for Switch Emulators Suyu & Sudachi; Disables Lead Developers Account As Well

This reminds me that I need to uninstall discord. Thanks!

therealjcdenton, do games w Discord Shuts Down Servers for Switch Emulators Suyu & Sudachi; Disables Lead Developers Account As Well

I’m not surprised. It’s not right for Discord to disable the servers and accounts, but at the same time, if you are hosting a community it shouldn’t be on discord since you aren’t in control of it

Clbull,

Wish they gave as much of a shit about shutting down pedophilia and OnlyFans leak servers as they do licking Nintendo’s boots.

Discord is an inherently unsafe platform.

Muffi, do games w Discord Shuts Down Servers for Switch Emulators Suyu & Sudachi; Disables Lead Developers Account As Well

Emulation is a matter of media preservation. Give us backwards compatibility or go fuck yourselves.

nutsack, do games w Discord Shuts Down Servers for Switch Emulators Suyu & Sudachi; Disables Lead Developers Account As Well

You all should have stayed on IRC

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

You all should have stayed on IRC

You’re not wrong, but also, it’s way too complicated for the regular person to use. A better UX is needed.

Fungah,

I used to on irc when i was 10 fucking years old. You type.in the serve and then type the room you want to use.

Did they put lead back in gasoline when i wasn’t looking or something?

CosmicCleric, (edited )
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

I used to on irc when i was 10 fucking years old. You type.in the serve and then type the room you want to use.

Did they put lead back in gasoline when i wasn’t looking or something?

We used to fly on planes by laying stomach down on the wing. Didn’t make it the best way to fly though.

The UX of any process/device gets improved over time, and adapts to the generation that is using it.

Would the newest gens even know what a command line prompt even is at this point?

Clbull,

TIL that typing in a username, server address and hitting ‘Connect’ is a bad UX.

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

GUI > CL. 😇

I get the testicular fortitude that someone has to have to make that kind of comment here on Lemmy, that has very hardcore Linux tech-based audience, but still, the general electronics using public would agree with what I’m saying.

TIL that typing in a username, server address and hitting ‘Connect’ is a bad UX.

UX is more than just a single login.

OsrsNeedsF2P,

People downvoting you don’t seem to remember the whole “messages aren’t delivered while you’re not online” thing

Cybersteel,
@Cybersteel@lemmy.world avatar

hostserv

merthyr1831, do games w Discord Shuts Down Servers for Switch Emulators Suyu & Sudachi; Disables Lead Developers Account As Well

googled Sudachi, and its GPL 3 but:

  • Contributions aren’t allowed
  • Hosted on github (might be an issue tracker instead of the live repo tho)
  • Claims not to paywall features, before listing a bunch of features behind a paywall.

yeah that’s gonna go real swell for them

rimjob_rainer, (edited ) do games w Discord Shuts Down Servers for Switch Emulators Suyu & Sudachi; Disables Lead Developers Account As Well

Discord is the antithesis to free web. Stop using it. I won’t join any community using discord.

Oh yeah, and fuck Nintendo

Muffi,

Yea, I immediately stopped using it after the CEO’s horrifying speech at the “Protecting Children Online” hearing.

Karyoplasma,

I started using Discord because Skype was pissing me off. Now, Discord starts to piss me off with their bullshit. I’m just too tired to move to yet another platform that will start sucking once it’s grown bigger. I hate this “social media” focus on every little fucking thing. This stupid “we are building a community” garbage should die.

Maybe it’s time for me to burn everything down and go live in the woods. I don’t particularly resonate with people anyway.

Wiz,

You’ve touched on the cycle of enshittification. Step 1, everything is free and wonderful. Step 2: milk those customers for money.

The solution is to favor and support services which take capitalism out of the equation. It might cost a little bit, but I think a few small donations can go a long way.

morphballganon,

Could you (or someone) elaborate on that first point there?

dubyakay,

It’s a closed ecosystem. What else is there to say?Compare Contrast with IRC, Matrix or XMPP.

morphballganon,

So, it’s the lack of admin rights? Inability to decide your own sitewide TOS, lack of privacy from Discord admins, possibility of getting shut down, that’s what they meant?

(I’m not familiar with those other platforms)

uin,

None of those details really matter.

What matters for the point of this argument is the simple fact that Discord is owned by the company Discord Inc.

That includes all of the servers and everything on them.

Imagine if ALL OF THE INTERNET was owned by Google …

morphballganon,

So the worry is of a surveillance state?

Thirdborne,

More than that. They own the content and relationships and can use them in ways you cannot predict. LLMs gobble up human produced content because we entrusted it to corporations. What hit hardest for me was when Facebook published a study where they found they could influence users attitude by prioritizing certain posts in their feeds.

Imagine it. Corporations owning your relationships and using them to get a profit out of you

rimjob_rainer,

It’s a closed system owned by a single company. If you provide data or information there, the company owns the data, other people can’t find the data using search engines and they would need an account to access the data. Imagine the internet is owned by a single company and they could sell, change, censor, delete restrict access to or use the information in means you cannot predict.

disconnectikacio, do games w Discord Shuts Down Servers for Switch Emulators Suyu & Sudachi; Disables Lead Developers Account As Well

Discord is a shit, always was shit. Shitty platform, shitty (electron) apps.

IzzyJ, do games w Discord Shuts Down Servers for Switch Emulators Suyu & Sudachi; Disables Lead Developers Account As Well
@IzzyJ@lemmy.world avatar

Man fuck Nintendo at this point. WE ARE ALLOWED TO EMULATE, GET FUCKED

EvolvedTurtle,

I dead ass downloaded and set up yuza the second I heard it was shutting down

time_fo_that,

I had the guide open on my laptop for so long but ADHD’d and never got it done lol

RageAgainstTheRich, do games w Discord Shuts Down Servers for Switch Emulators Suyu & Sudachi; Disables Lead Developers Account As Well

If they REALLY want it to be like discord, why not use Revolt?

revolt.chat

I don’t understand.

One that really ticked me off was that “the legend of zelda ocarina of time” pc build “ship of harkinian”.

I have never had such a tough time installing something. You have to do everything through their discord and it was a complete fucking mess.

FeelThePower,

I don’t know why, but I can’t sign up for revolt. They never sent me the verification. Now they just know 2 of my email addresses making me double fucked if a data leak ever happens.

misanthropy,

Get a custom domain with a catchall set up

meldrik,

It doesn’t work if you use iCloud or a custom domain with iCloud.

I ended up using Protonmail.

Secret300,

Just use matrix. Revolt is just giving your data to someone else for no reason. Like you could technically self host it but it’s not federated like matrix

merthyr1831,

I mean using matrix or any chat service is giving your data to someone else. What’s the distrust with revolt?

Looking at their git repos it seems pretty above board: multiple open source clients by community members, APGL license, docker images and backend repo all pretty accessible in one place.

No hate on Matrix of course, but theres a few people who seem to have the ick for Revolt and I wonder if Ive missed something.

moon,

It’s not black and white like that. Giving information to two different clients is not equal. Just like signing up with Signal and Facebook is going to be drastically different. That being said, the issue work Revolt is it’s not federated and the protocol isn’t anywhere near as good as the matrix protocol. It’s not bad per se, just not as good.

merthyr1831,

Fair enough, the federation of platforms like lemmy is a good protection against legal trolls for sure.

MacNCheezus,
@MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

Been using Matrix (Element) for a while and it’s honestly fine apart from the fact that almost no one uses it (Lemmy devs are a rare exception).

While it has many features of Discord while still being easier than IRC and encrypted to boot, I’m assuming the reason most people won’t use it is because Discord is simply more convenient. After all, that is and has been their main selling point from the beginning, aside from voice chat for gaming, which isn’t really necessary for dev communities.

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