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Kissaki, do gaming w Here’s how much Valve pays its staff — and how few people it employs

as of 2021, Valve employed just 79 people for Steam, which is one of the most influential gaming storefronts on the planet.

There’s value in stability, but some things have long been stagnant and could be improved. It took a long time for the client and website to get some significant changes.

I don’t know if I would prefer more changes. I certainly would like and want some. But that could inevitably lead to undesirable changes too.

When I applied for a job there over a decade ago [to improve some stuff myself] I didn’t receive an answer. bee laugh emoji

dino, do gaming w Here’s how much Valve pays its staff — and how few people it employs

Artifact, Heroes of the Storm etc. those are not success stories of recent Valve.

smeg,

HotS is a Blizzard game, Valve has DOTA2

dino,

facepalm I truly mixed that in my brain. But Valve also has this Dota Chess Game, right? Not sure if you would count that as a success though, have totally lost track of it.

smeg,

I’ve not played Half Life Alyx but people seemed to like it. And let’s not forget the huge success of the Steam Deck!

astrionic,

You’re thinking of Dota Underlords, which was popular for a short time but then quickly got abandoned. I definitely wouldn’t count it as a success.

bermuda, do gaming w Here’s how much Valve pays its staff — and how few people it employs

Easy to employ so few when you dont rarely make games anymore

teawrecks,

They had the same or fewer employees when they were making games, though.

bermuda,

Wow!

stardust, do gaming w Here’s how much Valve pays its staff — and how few people it employs

Never really understood why companies like Twitter can have thousands of employees for what the product is.

Kiosade,

Me neither, and I guess they didn’t need them all in the end!

bl4kers,
@bl4kers@beehaw.org avatar

To be fair, Twitter needs very good infrastructure to be usable (e.g. caching) and obviously content moderation is as robust as their investment in it (those could be contract workers though)

zhunk,

So does Valve?

bl4kers,
@bl4kers@beehaw.org avatar

Oh, sure, I didn’t mean to compare the two really. Just pointing out that although Twitter is simple and easy to replicate in concept, trying to scale to support all humans as users (theoretically) is difficult

Rolive,

They don’t tbh. I think many jobs there are redundant but people play an elaborate game to pretend it isn’t.

jarfil,

Redundant, like the server staff who told Elon it would take 6 months to move the servers… so he decided to move them himself on a whim… and it took 6 months to finish making them operational again?

Or redundant like the content moderation staff, whose redundancy has turned X into an even bigger dumpster fire?

Moderating and serving the content from 300 million users, worldwide, in near real time and no downtime, might seem like a simple task, but it really is not.

Fiivemacs,

Leaked twitter moderation steps.

If racist, then allow

If woke, then bully and shadow ban

megopie, do gaming w Microsoft is hiking the price of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate and launching a new “Standard” tier

I think Microsoft has been trying to build towards cloud computing of everything on user devices.

Games pass seems to have been them building towards a Google stadia type system. Getting a large user base of monthly subscribers used to Spotify like game experience, and then slowly running more and more off of the user device.

The contraction of studios, internal fighting, and this price hike makes me think they’re is some internal opposition to go all in on this, even as they go full speed ahead on the windows side of things.

th_in_gs, do gaming w Microsoft is hiking the price of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate and launching a new “Standard” tier

Do you still have to buy some tier of gamepass to be able to play multiplayer games that you own online?

TurboHarbinger, do gaming w Microsoft is hiking the price of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate and launching a new “Standard” tier

I was waiting for CoD games to be in gamepass so I could play those 6-8h campaigns (not interested in mp), not worth even at 50%discount.

Now I guess if Xbox is going to release new high profile games on gamepass, its going to be always the premium sub.

onlooker, do gaming w Microsoft is hiking the price of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate and launching a new “Standard” tier
@onlooker@lemmy.ml avatar

Not surprising. Either this was their long game or MS is in crisis mode, because lately they haven’t been doing so hot.

DoucheBagMcSwag, (edited ) do gaming w Microsoft is hiking the price of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate and launching a new “Standard” tier

My wife called this right after the call of duty game pass leak happened

HubertManne, do gaming w Microsoft is hiking the price of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate and launching a new “Standard” tier

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

jprice, do gaming w Microsoft is hiking the price of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate and launching a new “Standard” tier

Perfect timing, just when Xbox is lagging in sales. Typical shit Microsoft.

Hdcase,

Surely this will turn things around for them 🙄

jaxiiruff, do gaming w Microsoft is hiking the price of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate and launching a new “Standard” tier

Cant wait for gamepass to cost like $60 a month in a couple years only for people to continue to stay subscribed cause they were successfully trapped and dont want to lose access to the old games they like playing.

Thassodar,

I’ve successfully left Gamepass for over a year and came back recently, no problem. All my saves were still on their cloud from two years ago, and I had access to games I wouldn’t have considered buying, like Lies of P.

jaxiiruff,

Yeah you had to resubscribe or buy the games again. Years down the line you may want to play older games much more than newer ones but the service decides to value itself on the new.

averyminya,

I feel like this is looking at it from the wrong perspective… Looking at it like that, it is just trying to use a service in a way that it isn’t intended. Don’t get me wrong, I’m super anti-subscription and anti-gamepass, but I don’t feel like much of MS Gamepass is trying to sell you on having these games forever. It’s a way to let you try a library of games that you might not have felt was worth paying for individually – I have almost no interest in playing the next Battlefield games, but with Gamepass I can try out Jedi Survivor alongside however many other games I want to check out.

It’s a more straightforward Playstation Plus, with much less of that vibe of trying to get you to keep paying on a fear of missing out on “free” games that you’re paying monthly to own. Both of these digital storefronts are selling you the exact same premise, but promote them in different ways. PSN says hey, you get 2 games a month for paying for online services, and they stack. (I think now it’s actually a PSN library, similar to MS though?). MS says hey, you get 40+ games a month for paying for our subscription, and you get a discount if you want to buy one.

If I actually like one of the games, the cost of the subscription is removed from the total price of the game, effectively meaning if there are 2 games you like enough to buy, the subscription is somewhat worth it if you don’t mind having it tied to Microsoft.

Basically, Gamepass isn’t supposed to replace your main game library, it’s a digital game rental service. Yes, you absolutely can rent out a single game, or even 30 games, for the next 10 years. And everyone would judge you for making that poor decision to rent them for that long, when you could have bought it with the discount. Should companies be able to offer something that the consumer can ignore and get screwed over by? I’m not sure. Probably not. But I also don’t think I can really call this scummy, unlike some of their other moves. If in 10 years someone’s library only consists of games played through Gamepass, and they are afraid to unsubscribe… How many games would that realistically be? The Gamepass library isn’t that large, nor has it rotated that many games.

Again, very anti-subscription and overall anti-Gamepass, but I think in this example it’s kind of on the person if they choose to rent a game for the next 10 years. If you like the game, why not buy it? Why would this person be locked into paying for Gamepass for so long? Because their account has other games they may or may not decide to play at any given time? I personally just don’t see the issue for this particular case, unless I’m missing something or not understanding where you’re coming from with it.

NoIWontPickAName,

I just buy the ones I like, especially once they leave game pass and go on a huge sale

Hdcase,

I think a lot of people will end up unsubscribing and then buying the games they miss.

Father_Redbeard,
@Father_Redbeard@lemmy.ml avatar

I hope there’s a deal exploit like buying 3 years of GP for $3-4/mo by using a VPN like I did about a year ago. If not, I won’t be subscribing and will likely get rid of my series X. I’ve been very disappointed in it anyway. Oh well, still have the original and the 360…

0xtero, do gaming w Microsoft is hiking the price of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate and launching a new “Standard” tier

It’s the circle of enshittification

PoolloverNathan,

♪ It’s the ciiircle of shiiiiiiiit ♪

GammaGames, do gaming w Microsoft is hiking the price of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate and launching a new “Standard” tier

The new standard option also include online console multiplayer access, which is something that Xbox Game Pass for Console lacked previously.

The standard tier sounds decent, loss of release day games but I’m guessing they’re expecting CoD to push people to the higher tier.

Hdcase,

Game Pass used to mean all first party games, day one, and now 2/3 tiers on console won’t have that. It’s a pretty shocking turnaround.

GammaGames,

You’re right, it’s a pretty big downgrade and probably reason enough to cancel for a lot. Especially with CoD, they could save the subscription for a few months and then buy it and keep it.

UrLogicFails, do gaming w Microsoft is hiking the price of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate and launching a new “Standard” tier

I can’t say I’m surprised to see Gamepass get a price hike; it always seemed like it was in the loss leader stage to try to grow market share.

I wonder what the reasoning was to institute the hike now, though, since I’m not sure how strong their market share actually is on it.

My theory is that either:

  • Microsoft is tired of footing the bill and expects results now
  • Microsoft/ Xbox think they have enough market share, so it is time to stop cultivating and time to start harvesting

My understanding is they are still releasing new Series S models, which are basically just Gamepass machines; so I would expect they are not happy with their current market share (though corporations literally never are), which makes me think it’s the former option, not the latter.

All that being said, I wonder how much the price can increase before the value proposition of Gamepass is moot. Right now 20 USD a month doesn’t sound bad as long as you’re playing at least one new game a month, but I wonder how much more room there is in the price before the number of games you would need to play becomes unreasonable.

Personally, I’ve never been a fan of the Gamepass model since I like owning my games physically (it’s the main reason I prefer console to PC), so I don’t have much of a horse in this race; but I will be interested to see what becomes of Gamepass in the long term.

GammaGames,

I’ve only really used it to try out new games, it’s a great deal if you only use it for a month at a time!

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