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infamousta, (edited ) do gaming w Critically acclaimed Dragon's Dogma 2 hits "mostly negative" on Steam after players raze it for microtransactions

The original dragons dogma had poor quality of life features and its arguably a large part of the appeal. No fast travel, no multiple saves. If you didn’t like your little ai character you had to advance pretty far to change it (and the same with fast travel, it sort of existed and was a surprisingly cool unique system but you had to get through a lot of the game for it). I’d compare it in a lot of ways to the first dark souls as far as not following gaming industry trends.

I was hoping dragons dogma 2 was more of the same honestly, I don’t think I care if travel stones can be purchased or whatever. Is it a bad game for those that liked the first one?

stardreamer,
@stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Been playing it since release and I have to say I quite like it. The mtx is less intrusive than Dragon Age Origins’ DLC (no mention in game at all versus “There’s a person bleeding out on the road, if you want to help him please go to the store page”).

So far, the game is a buttery smooth 60 fps at 4k max graphics + FSR3 w/o ray tracing except for inside the capital city (running 7800x3d with a 7900xtx). The only graphics complaint I have is the FSR implementation is pretty bad, with small amounts of ghosting under certain lighting conditions. There’s also a noticeable amount of input lag compared to the first game: not game breaking, but if you do a side-by-side comparison it’s pretty obvious.

Sure the game has its issues, but right now this looks like something that I enjoy. Games don’t need to be masterworks to be fun (my favorite games are some old niche JRPGs that have been absolutely demolished by reviewers at the time), and right now I think it’s money well spent.

infamousta,

I’ll most likely end up picking it up and I’m glad it runs well. The reception has been wild to me. I loved all the jankiness of dragon’s dogma but I feel like a lot of people are buying this sequel and not knowing what to expect

TassieTosser,

I think the hate is them essentially selling a difficulty slider.

ZeroTHM, do gaming w Critically acclaimed Dragon's Dogma 2 hits "mostly negative" on Steam after players raze it for microtransactions

It sucks that micro transactions exist at all, but I’ve been playing the game and haven’t even opened the store at all, and the game seems pretty good. Is there any actual negativity on the actual game play, or is all the negativity sorry about the micro transactions? Because if that’s the only drawback, then that’s not really that bad.

TheBest,
@TheBest@midwest.social avatar

A lot of players were having crashing on startup or during character creator, so that could account for some valid criticism. But from those who have it running well (according to two of my buddies so totally anecdotal) the gameplay is pretty great.

ZeroTHM,

I had heard PC was having some issues with that, but to be honest, that’s nearly every release these days. But I can understand why it might be frustrating.

cmhe,

I like RPG games, however I don’t like it when the company has the ability and incentive to bate and switch my game into a worse version after I bought it.

Denuvo forces me to be connected to the internet, which makes playing the game on the move difficult or even impossible. It also allows them to make sure that the most current version is played. MTX means they don’t have incentives to fix the game and instead sell you the fixes, or even enshittyfy it, to squeeze out more money.

This gives me the incentive to wait a couple of years, until the game doesn’t receive any updates anymore, and then decide if the final product is worth it. And hope that I will get a good experience out of it, before the Denuvo activation servers are shut down.

So you have to wait for a few years, in order to know if the gameplay is (and stays) any good.

stardreamer,
@stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

My personal complaints (despite enjoying the gameplay):

  1. Input lag. It’s negligible compared to other games, but comparing it to DDDA it feels much higher (meh vs “oh wow this is smooth!”)
  2. FSR. There is definitely something wrong with the FSR implementation here, because there are minor traces of ghosting that are not present in other games. Rotate your character in the character selection screen, or look at a pillar with water as the backdrop with light rays nearby. That being said, it becomes less obvious during actual gameplay. I do hope that this will be fixed though.
TheCannonball, do games w Fights In Tight Spaces devs announce fantasy follow-up Knights In Tight Spaces

Ghost themed DLC - Frights in Tight Spaces.

Plague themed DLC - Blights in Tight Spaces

Vampire themed DLC - Bites in Tight Spaces

Divinity themed DLC - Smites in Tight Spaces

Sewer themed DLC - Shite in Tight Spaces

Plasic Surgery DLC - Cellulite in Tight Psaces

Extraterrestrial thespian themed DLC - Space Tights in Tight Spaces

simple,

Smites in Tight Spaces, I really love that

stormesp, do games w Fights In Tight Spaces devs announce fantasy follow-up Knights In Tight Spaces

I found Fights in tight spaces just fine, but this one is looking really well

brsrklf,

I haven’t played Fights in tight spaces or even heard about it before, and it looks interesting.

But honestly, that fantasy flavour appeals a lot more to me than the look of the first one.

stormesp,

They have a demo on steam for Fights in tight spaces if you want to give the game a try, its worth the shot, but yeah, this one has a better theme imo and looks like they improved in a lot of aspects, specially interaction with the enviroment and other characters

Computerchairgeneral, do gaming w Critically acclaimed Dragon's Dogma 2 hits "mostly negative" on Steam after players raze it for microtransactions

The microtransactions are bad enough, but the fact that none of these were present in the build given to reviewers just makes it worse. I mean people would still be complaining about them, but I don't think the backlash would be as bad if Capcom had made it clear from the start that the game was going to be riddled with microtransactions.

0110010001100010,
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I haven’t followed the whole thing as I didn’t have any desire to play the game, but assuming that’s true that’s a seriously shitty move and had to be intentional. Is there not some kind of bait and switch laws that would apply here?

warm,

Any reviews released in the first week of a game should be taken with a grain of salt and any reviews released on or before launch day should be completely discarded.

With all the 'day one' patches games have, reviewers should be playing the game from launch, on the same version as everyone else. If they have any integrity.

Crowfiend,

If they have any integrity

Haaahahahaha

Sorry, not laughing at you, the idea of game journalism having any integrity. That said, it’s likely an issue with editors pandering to their CEO or other boss, but still.

warm,

Yup, I wait for user reviews cause the "journalists" all have some bias or sellout.

flumph,
@flumph@programming.dev avatar

Appreciate you giving credit where credit is due. It is 100% corporate greed.

Kotaku’s editor-in-chief has resigned

MrScottyTay, (edited )

Capcom have been doing this for a while now. It’s very sad. (Edit: weird autocorrects)

Katana314,

Wouldn’t that mean the reviewers were starved for fast travel, and would have thus complained about it? That seems to be the narrative a lot of people are suggesting - that the DLC makes the game playable.

Unless I’m misunderstanding and reviewers got infinite fast travel.

Computerchairgeneral,

From what I understand, fast travel isn't locked behind microtransactions, despite some claims I've seen. You can buy an item that you can place that lets you teleport back to that point, kind of like fast traveling to a map marker. These items are available in game along with fixed fast travel points between major cities. So the reviewers would have had access to fast travel they just wouldn't have been able to use real money buy them whenever they needed them.

Katana314,

Feels a bit like if they had DLC for ammo in a Resident Evil game. The design of those games is very clearly intended to be around partial ammo starvation, to get you to aim better, choose varying weapons, and sometimes run away. But, I can imagine a small team of publishers deciding “People want ammo? Let’s let them buy it!” It’d be very easy for players to presume the base game has been made worse as a whole, and that opinion will become hard to quantify - unless very nuanced reviewers can just pretend the DLC doesn’t exist.

ZeroTHM,

Not only isn’t it locked behind DLC, it’s incredibly cheap, and unlike a lot of titles will take you to places you haven’t even been yet. I’m talking about the ox carts, of course. Not only that, ferrystones are available for only 10k (money is relatively easy to come by). What exactly does the store have in it that is required, or even kinda necessary for convenience?

xenoclast, do gaming w Critically acclaimed Dragon's Dogma 2 hits "mostly negative" on Steam after players raze it for microtransactions

I’d give it a zero out of ten just for being an RPG with a single save slot. They failed at the starting line. The got the core of RPGs completely wrong. Taking a shit on it with MTX seems like this was deliberate self sabotage

rickyrigatoni, do gaming w Critically acclaimed Dragon's Dogma 2 hits "mostly negative" on Steam after players raze it for microtransactions

I’ve waited ten years for this game and am loving playing it now that it’s out but I’m still giving a negative review and not buying any MTX.

Fisk400, do gaming w Critically acclaimed Dragon's Dogma 2 hits "mostly negative" on Steam after players raze it for microtransactions

We are back to the arcade era where you had to put in more coins to get lives and the games are intensionally hard and unfair to get more coins.

oo1,

Continue . . . 10 . . . 9 .. . 8

njm1314, do gaming w Critically acclaimed Dragon's Dogma 2 hits "mostly negative" on Steam after players raze it for microtransactions

I wonder how many of those critically acclaimed reviews are going to be Rewritten. Certainly you’d have to be a completely lacking Integrity not to realize you were Bamboozled when you’re giving a different product than the public is to review.

dan1101, do gaming w Critically acclaimed Dragon's Dogma 2 hits "mostly negative" on Steam after players raze it for microtransactions

This gives me hope that all gamers won’t just roll over and take it. But Capcom could react in different ways, they could do better or they could just quit releasing games on Steam. Wonder if they have already asked if Steam could disable reviews for them?

aCosmicWave, do games w Sand Land, the upcoming action-RPG based on Akira Toriyama's manga, has a demo out now

I just watched the trailer and downloaded the demo. Excited to give it a try. The art style looks very unique and gameplay reminded me of an old Xbox game called Metal Arms: Glitch in the System. Speaking of which I never even owned that game but sunk hundreds of hours into the demo lol.

kandoh, do games w Sea of Stars is adding co-op multiplayer to the dazzling Chrono Trigger-inspired RPG
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Lucky me with two friends who picked it up on my recommendation

Mango, do games w Sea of Stars is adding co-op multiplayer to the dazzling Chrono Trigger-inspired RPG

You have my attention.

SidewaysHighways,

Need a light?

HWK_290, do games w Sea of Stars is adding co-op multiplayer to the dazzling Chrono Trigger-inspired RPG

Garl has got to be one of my fav character names. Garl

PS bought the messenger after beating sea of stars, and got stuck and gave up at the bloody demon general. Rarely do games stump me like that, but I just cannot beat him

Breezy, do games w Sea of Stars is adding co-op multiplayer to the dazzling Chrono Trigger-inspired RPG

Uh those combos better get a bigger success window, shit wasnt easy alone, how will depending on another not to fuck up work

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