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Greddan, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

They’re using a poorly made graphics engine and got scammed into implementing malware into their game.

NutinButNet, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

I accepted and just didn’t buy it to begin with.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Was going to say… Who is out there buying games way outside their machines’ specs? Seems pretty straightforward.

I do get a little annoyed at the folks angry at BL4 using a higher end engine. Like, it does look a lot better than previous iterations. That engine upgrade wasn’t for nothing.

There are a ton of looter shooters floating around that aren’t using the Unreal 5 engine. Just play one of those instead.

inclementimmigrant, (edited )

This game goes into the twenties on a freaking 4070 at 1440 on high settings and doesn’t even get 60 at medium settings

Now let’s take a look at the “recommended specs” Randy put out there

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 / AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT / Intel Arc B580

Sorry but when in the world is that even remotely acceptable that you consider last Gen was outside machine specs when the developers said sure two generations ago is perfectly fine, which btw, holy crap it’s not.

EncryptKeeper,

There’s a difference between a game being way outside of your specs because it’s graphically very advanced and your hardware is old, and a game just being unoptimized slop that expects its users to deal with by throwing higher specs at a fixable problem.

I have a brand new 5070ti that can play all kinds of UE5 games with much better graphics than BL4 at 4k resolution with ray tracing at a decent frame rate without relying on frame gen. And I’m in the top few percentiles here.

CaptainBlinky,

I have a 3090 in a 7800x3d box with 64 gb ram and I had to drop from 7680x2160 to 3840x1080 to get decent framerates. I get better performance in Star Citizen. After a few CTD’s I just went ahead and got a refund.

Killer,

UE5 can run fine on older hardware, but most devs either aren’t given the time to properly optimize or don’t give a fuck about it and would rather rely on upscaling and frame gen tech.

Screen_Shatter,

After the borderlands 3 trainwreck it seems weird that people are apparently buying BL4

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

It’s hard to consider an 81 on OpenCritic to be a trainwreck. People tend to buy games that review well, especially when it’s a co-op shooter with basically no competition.

Screen_Shatter,

Damn I had to look that up cause it seemed unbelievable. I am shocked it reviewed that well. It just seemed so awful to me.

Am I so out of touch?? No, the children are.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Nah, that game’s great. The writing’s not good, especially for the villains, but people like that game because it’s good.

Cethin,

You aren’t out of touch. Even the worst games don’t get that poor of a review. When you job depends on being on their side, it turns out you can’t voice an honest opinion.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

From what I hear from people actually able to play the game, it’s better than 3.

Something like:

2 > 4 > 1 > 3 > Pre-Sequel

CaptainBlinky,

I honestly don’t know what this “trainwreck” talk is. BL3 was passable. I didn’t like the antagonists, but the game played fine if purples dropped way too much and the new guns weren’t great. People make it seem like it was the Worst Game Ever and I don’t get it. The pre-sequel was hot garbage, but 3 was fine.

CaptainBlinky, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

Welp, that’s what I did. Got my money back. I’ll buy it when it’s $19.99.

Peruvian_Skies,

You should get it for free elsewhere. Don’t give this asshole your money.

Codilingus,

Denuvo :'(

SoleInvictus,

And Empress is gone, though they were pretty toxic so that’s no big loss for me.

CaptainBlinky,

That’s an option, but there were a lot of people involved in making the game. I’m not a fan of collective punishment. They most probably did their best, he’s just a shit spokesperson.

TheLowestStone,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

I was going to do that originally but now I’m never playing it.

CaptainBlinky,

I’m not going to punish the entire development team just because he’s a tool.

TheLowestStone,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

They got paid already and most of them will be laid off or moved to different projects by the time the games is $20.

echodot,

It’s not that he’s a tool it’s at the game it has poor performance. And being a tool is just a guarantee that issue will never be fixed.

So in a way I kind of do blame the team, they must have done testing they know what the performance is like.

jimerson,
@jimerson@lemmy.world avatar

I’m enjoying the game. And yeah, a lot of cool folk work there. Sure a few suck, but there are a lot of neat humans that poured their heart into this game.

I also haven’t had a single issue on a two year old mid-tier laptop so i can’t empathize with the fuss over performance. I’m sure there are older machines out there that wont run it at 1000FPS or whatever.

At the end of the day, it’s a game. Calm tf down and play something else rather than raise your blood pressure over something so relatively trivial.

Deep breath people. It’s a game. Support it or don’t. Edginess not required for this decision.

BlameTheAntifa, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

The game is grossly overpriced and infected Denuvo malware. Those things are all symptoms of Randy Pitchford being involved. I’ll pass.

LiveLM, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

Gearbox was been scummy for a while now. Customers can learn to stop giving them money or can keep putting up with this.

aesthelete,

Borderlands 3 kinda sucked it. I realized when I played it that they had hit peak during Borderlands 2.

SaharaMaleikuhm,

Eh, the people are dumb as fuck and will keep buying their slop. Just look at Nintendo, one of the most horrible companies out there, releasing the same 5 games over and over again, but the idiots keep buying. They will keep buying their Mario Kart until it’s $200

moonburster,

They destroyed the first update for risk of rain 2 when they bought it as well. They kinda made my favourite game a lot worse

biotin7, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

Randy needs to get comfy with the fact that he may go broke. Do what the doctors in goa (a state in India) did to their health minister. But in this case impact his income & force him to grovel.

ampersandrew, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Is this not the third tabloid style headline here about essentially the same thing?

tidderuuf,

It’s 100% an astroturfing campaign. Doesn’t matter if it looks good or bad, it’s still getting awareness out there about the game which generates clicks and probably makes more money than the game itself.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

That would be hard to believe, because the game already conservatively made tens of millions of dollars in a few days.

echodot,

That would have to be the weirdest advertising strategy in the history of all advertising.

My our game, it’s really shit

CidVicious,
@CidVicious@sh.itjust.works avatar

Well it shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone, but Randy Pitchford is really good at providing ammo for these types of headlines. Guy needs to learn to keep his mouth shut sometimes.

C1pher, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash
@C1pher@lemmy.world avatar

This has been there already with Ubisoft games. It wont end well for the IP and also, the main problem is Randy Pitchford. That problem wont be fixed any time soon.

chicken, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

I played the first one but after that the formula felt pretty samey and I was bored of it. Would a fourth Borderlands game even be good if it wasn’t laggy?

sness,

Don’t let the name fool you, it’s the sixth game.

Linktank, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

You got it!

jordanlund, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

How is it on console though? Better on PS5 or Xbox?

inclementimmigrant,

insider-gaming.com/borderlands-4-console-performa…

Take from that what you will.

Nothing from digital foundry yet.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

DF is who I’m waiting on, but from what I’m hearing, they didn’t send reviewer codes so it’s all delayed and that’s never a good sign.

iAmTheTot,

I’ve seen multiple people report they have to reboot after an hour or two or play because it has memory leak issues.

MudMan, (edited ) do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

I swear I have no idea why they let him talk. He doesn't even own the company, surely someone at 2K could just go... you know... shush.

I don't even think the BL4 thing is that bad, on the face of it. There is really no need to make it worse.

"We have been made aware of some performance issues in certain systems in our new release, we'll be looking into performance improvements in future patches". It's not that hard. At this point just copy/paste whatever the other thousand UE5 games said, go fix the wonky precompilation boot step and stop digging a hole.

Hell, it's even easier than that, because they have actually pretty much put that out. All he really needed to do was shut up about it.

Agent_Karyo, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

All this stuff sounds like Randy Pitchford building out his personal brand.

I wish anything involving Pitchford was not reported on (at all).

Ganbat, (edited ) do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash

Say it with me now: “Fuck Randy Pitchford”

UE5 is a shit engine as of now, but what can be expected of a company run by someone just as insufferable? Epic took the advent of tech like DLSS and frame generation as an excuse to disregard performance and functionality.

All you have to do is pick out any UE5 game that exists and Google that + “performance.” Even meeting the recommended specs for Rogue City, I still had to find specialized configs to get the game the game stop crashing on launch, and even then, those specs were based on using upscaling and frame generation. In reality, “recommended” was about 25fps at 1280x720. That used to be, and realistically should be unthinkable.

AND EVEN THEN, the engine’s built-in settings for upscaling and frame generation caused even more crashing. Ultimately, I had to disable it in-game and turn it on in my driver settings because of the busted-ass engine. This is a problem with the state of gaming, and people like Randy, Tim and their supporters are only exacerbating it.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

The engine’s not the problem. Personally, I have only played a single game on UE5 that had shit performance on my aging PC (I can’t even use DLSS), and it’s an early access, independently made, survival crafting game. It was never going to perform well or even be finished.

BroBot9000, do games w 'My Advice to Users Is to Accept Reality and Tune, or to Not Play' — Randy Pitchford Is at the 'Get a Refund From Steam' Stage of the Borderlands 4 PC Performance Backlash
@BroBot9000@lemmy.world avatar

Oh look the piece of shit opens its mouth again.

We understand you stumbled dick first into your position of power. Now please shut the fuck up, you somehow sentient sludgeball.

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