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hakase, do gaming w Don't make me choose!

3 over World, but SMB2 is the best Mario game on the NES.

ramble81,

Which SMB2 ? SMB2 in Japan was later released internationally as “The Lost Levels”. The SMB2 that got release in the US and Europe was actually a reskined Japanese game called “Doki Doki Panic” which means it wasn’t even really a Mario game in the first place!

zod000,

I imagine they mean the US SMB2 aka Doki Doki Panic. I have actually played the “original” version and the SMB2 game is actually improved in some ways, not just reskinned. While I don’t think it is better than SMB3, I think it is a great Mario game, even if not initially intended as one.

hakase, (edited )

I knew this comment was coming.

The SMB2 that was a direct sequel to SMB1 came out for Famicom Disk System, not NES. There’s only one SMB2 that came out for NES.

Also, Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic was an advertising game released specifically for Fuji TV’s Yume Kōjō entertainment expo in 1987. As such, because it was just a one-off event title, they took a prototype platform game that Miyamoto had already influenced Tanabe to make more “Mario-like” (but was shelved when the Famicom couldn’t run it as intended), reskinned it to feature the characters and setting of the expo, and released it for the Disk System.

So, NES Super Mario Bros. 2 was a polished, Mario-themed reskin of a rushed reskin of a prototype Mario-esque platformer.

All of that is to say that, yes, Doki Doki Panic was in fact most likely a Mario game in the first place.

SlartyBartFast,

Fuck yeah! Mario 2 mofuckaaaaaaaas

GraniteM,

SMB2 is the best Mario game on the NES.

This is like people who prefer Star Trek IV over II or VI, and I respect the off-kilter energy.

ChicoSuave, do gaming w Don't make me choose!

Between those two? SMW. Of all Mario games? That’s a much more interesting question.

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world avatar

Personal preference, but if you asked me "of all Mario games", it would also come down to a decision between these two.

Soggy,

I realize it’s comparing apples to oranges but Paper Mario and Odyssey have to be in the discussion.

king_comrade,

Is no one in this thread going to mention Sunshine? Clearly the best SM game without a doubt

Soggy,

Sunshine had some cool ideas and introduced Bowser Jr. but I wouldn’t put it over Galaxy or Odyssey as a 3D platformer.

king_comrade,

Why would you rank those two as better platformers? I reckon FLUDD introduced a lot of fun ways to solve the level puzzles and the hub world is the best designed next to Mario 64.

Soggy,

FLUDD is pretty well done but, pun unintended, they still hadn’t nailed the fluidity of movement that the later titles have. (The existence of a hub world is pretty neutral for me, they mostly serve as a way to soft tutorial the controls.)

king_comrade,

I think you’re right with odyssey, that game played beautifully but galaxy (the first one at least) felt as jank if not more jank than sunshine. The wiimote never felt good for platforming and the switch adaptation also struggles with awkward camera angles.

Aggravationstation,

For this, SMW. Of all time? SMB2 on Gameboy.

digredior, do gaming w Don't make me choose!

The meme options should have been B then A

zod000, do games w Gamepad for Linux Gaming?

I have been using my Sony DS4 gamepad (wired) with no issues, requires no setup. DS5 gamepads also work well, but I had extra DS4 controllers just sitting around. I greatly prefer them to any of the Xbox gamepad personally.

DarkCloud, do gaming w Don't make me choose!

ET.

zod000,

I didn’t know monsters were allow in here.

Skkorm, do gaming w Don't make me choose!

World and is not close

PhobosAnomaly, do gaming w Don't make me choose!

Super Mario World all day long.

SMB3 was an absolute banger and revolutionised the platforming genre while making the hardware run things it had no business doing, so much so that even id Software took inspiration from it.

World just improved the formula in every single way though. Far from ragging on SMB3, World just took an amazing game and polished it up beyond what was expected.

TachyonTele,

They made both games at the same time. In my opinion there isn’t even a competition. Both games are showcases of the best of each console.

caseyweederman,
@caseyweederman@lemmy.ca avatar

Sorry, that’s not correct. SMB3 was released in 1988 in Japan. It was delayed in North America until 1990 and released in the same year as SMW, while Nintendo of America ironed out its Super Nintendo console launch.
Super Mario World, in fact, started development as a port of Super Mario Bros. 3.

GraniteM,

SMB3 has better powerups, though.

Soggy,

They’re interesting but aren’t used in novel ways. Leaf is great and Cape expands on it. Frog is entirely optional, Tanooki and Hammer are nice upgrades to Leaf and Fire Flower but don’t meaningfully change how you approach the game, the Shoe exists for a single level gimmick, and the map items are all little shortcuts to play less of the game. SMB3 does not use its unique tools to build new kinds of puzzles or present alternate paths through a level they just make the challenges a little easier.

Cape, P-Balloon, and Yoshi are much better utilized.

PhobosAnomaly,

OOOOOORRRRRRRRB

WolfLink, (edited )

SMB3 does not use its unique tools to build new kinds of puzzles or present alternate paths through a level they just make the challenges a little easier.

This is extraordinarily wrong!

There are secrets that you need specific power ups to get to.

  • Raccoon/Tanuki are used to fly to secret areas or break blocks with the tail
  • Fire is used to melt blocks in the ice world
  • Frog can swim against strong currents
  • If you start some levels with an invincible star from the map, it will cause some blocks to drop a star instead of a coin, letting you chain invincibility through the whole level
  • Tanuki and Hammer aren’t necessary for anything in the main game, but they are for some e-reader levels where they can break blocks that can’t be broken normally
Soggy,

This is almost nothing, though. The secret areas are a handful of coins, or an extra power-up, or a magic whistle. Three sections of a water level or a wall of ice in one world is not a puzzle nor an “alternate path” in a meaningful way. E-reader? The niche peripheral adds a tiny bit of extra content for the GBA release of the NES game and that’s among your best arguments?

SMB3 is very good for what it is and a technical achievement but ranking it above World is pure nostalgia.

ouRKaoS,

making the hardware run things it had no business doing,

Speaking of hardware limitations, Kirby’s Adventure plays like a mid gen SNES game, I have no idea how they got it running on NES. I need to play through it again

dual_sport_dork,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

Kirby’s Adventure is the largest NES game ever officially released in terms of ROM size, and has a frankly absurd amount of graphics tiles. Just consider all of those required for the copy abilities thumbnails alone and you’ll see what I mean. It pulled basically every trick the MMC3 mapper is capable of, and was definitely a masterpiece of the system in the original sense, i.e. it displays astonishing mastery of the mechanics of the Famicom/NES.

What I find more amazing is that the MMC3 isn’t one of the mappers that confers any additional sound channels and the American NES didn’t support that capability anyway. So the entirety of the game’s iconic soundtrack fits within the confines of the NES’ two square waves, one triangle wave, one noise channel, and singular PCM channel.

I think ultimately it ran into memory constraints, even with the additional 8 KB provided by the mapper. If you sit back and look at them as a whole, its levels are all quite short. It’s still my favorite NES game bar none, though.

ouRKaoS,

Programming all the copy abilities had to be a nightmare. Not only the graphics but the controls for things like the wheel & hi jump, the pallet swaps for the Freeze abilities, the environment interactions from the Hammer… it’s a ridiculous amount of content by today’s standards and it was made over 30 years ago.

Then add in cutscenes (all in-game engine, but still), between level overworld sections, mini-games… It’s baffling!

Half of that game would be DLC/premium content if it was made today.

teft, do gaming w Don't make me choose!

World. 1000%

MadMadBunny, do gaming w Don't make me choose!

SMW. Peak Mario on SNES.

BurgerBaron, do gaming w Don't make me choose!
@BurgerBaron@piefed.social avatar

SMB3 easy choice for me. I like the NES soundchip over muddy SNES just in general and the physics in SMB3.

danc4498, do gaming w Don't make me choose!

Apples and oranges they’re both the best game ever.

DecentM, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of November 9th

I somehow skipped Hollow Knight since it came out, and got it during a sale last week after all the Silksong hype. Got 26 hours in it now.

Fluffy_Ruffs, do gaming w Don't make me choose!

SMW for me but that’s not to downplay just how unbelievably good SMB3 was at the time.

prettybunnys,

Especially coming from the Jank that was smb2.

loie, do games w Gamepad for Linux Gaming?

hey here’s a post about the 11/11 sale, several controllers are listed. Gamesir nova lite for $13 looks like a good deal to me.

youtube.com/…/UgkxXw1mUwS-ZNHz22lKG4b8IC2DafU3xIF…

Zomg, do games w active matter

Played the game...

  1. Movement seems stiff compared to other games I play
  2. Ai is too abundant, over tuned
reksas,

yeah, the ai enemies are crazy, though having pve threat more dangerous than players is good thing imo, it limits the pvp a bit since people have to be wary. But if its unfairly dangerous then its just annoying since you cant survive at all.

I liked the movement, though it could be better too.

Zomg,

The flowermen are strangely difficult to kill compared to others, and there's always a swarm of the most of the time.

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