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smeg, do games w What game sequel ruined a beloved franchise or character for you?

Sticker Star kind of ruined Paper Mario for me. Super Paper Mario had already gone quite weird, but in a good way - the combat was completely different but it still felt like the original and TTYD in terms of the levelling, exploration, and plot.

Sticker Star, Colour Splash, and Origami King are very linear in comparison, their lack of experience makes battles largely pointless, and the obsession with giant household objects and nameless toad NPCs is getting tedious.

The latest three games were all still enjoyable, but they’re really nothing on the first three.

Dogiedog64,
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Absolutely correct. Modern Paper Mario is more about the spectacle of the story, rather than the way it’s mechanically explored. They peaked with TTYD, had a weird one with Super, and the rest have been “use this gimmick in VERY SPECIFIC WAYS to explore OUR story how WE want you to.”

This isn’t to say modern Paper Mario games are bad, just that it’s blatantly obvious they threw out mechanical complexity and deeper narrative tones in favor of “watch this big thing explode, ooh pretty colors :DDD!!!” Sticker Star is definitely the worst of them though.

I really hope we get another Paper Mario game that FEELS like a true Paper Mario RPG. TTYD Remastered is incredible, and I think that by making it, Nintendo acknowledged that fans just… really don’t care for modern Paper Mario as it is.

silverchase,
@silverchase@sh.itjust.works avatar

Bug Fables has that TTYD taste to it

Duamerthrax, do games w What game sequel ruined a beloved franchise or character for you?

Not necessarily beloved, but I hated the tone and genre shift between Jak and Daxter and Jak 2. I hated the driving sections so much, that that’s where I put the game down. Looking back, I guess they wanted to make a different game, but had to make a sequel?

Zahille7,

I played the series in reverse order so I love Jak 2 and 3. TPL is okay, but I do actually like the action-y gameplay of the sequels.

CallMeAnAI, do games w What game sequel ruined a beloved franchise or character for you?

I see op choose the circle jerk today. Excellent choice, Excellent pallet 🤣.

Zahille7,

Palate?

brucethemoose, do games w What game sequel ruined a beloved franchise or character for you?

Fallout 76?

I played it with coop mates (via game pass IIRC), all EGS fans since Oblivion, well after 76 was released and patched up, and it was just… boring. And grindy. Yet kept trying to upsell us stuff. I kinda get how some like the game with those BGS environments, but that was still a shock to me.

Starfield did nothing either. I watched YT story videos/tried the intro out of a friend’s Steam library instead of buying and felt like I was looking at a AI slop Skyrim mod, both technically and in terms of writing. Again, I’m a hardcore fan going way back, warts, glitches and all.

It’s remarkable the studio has fallen so far, without basically changing anything, yet still has such a loyal following. How is that even possible?

chromodynamic, do games w So are GOG going to relist Devotion? Seeing how they're about freedom to buy games.

If you want to message them about it, now is the time most likely to work.

HowlsSophie, do games w What game sequel ruined a beloved franchise or character for you?

Prince of Persia. First two were good, though a glitch toward the end of the second one kept me from finishing it.

The third one was an abomination. Completely different tone and vibe, completely different Prince. DNF.

onlooker, do gaming w A game you think does DLC incredibly well?
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Project Hel, a DLC for Ghostrunner. The base game was already pretty great, but the DLC added jump trajectories, making movement less ambiguous and improved the frankly wonky upgrade system of the original. It also added a new (albeit shorter) story, a new rage mechanic and you get to play as a cold, unfeeling cybernetic abomination controlled by the villain of the base game.

All of this is to say that I was floored on how much I preferred playing the DLC than the original and I loved Ghostrunner.

missingno, do games w What game sequel ruined a beloved franchise or character for you?
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Puyo Puyo Tetris. I put out a lengthy video essay about how this game is directly responsible for everything wrong with the series today, and a followup.

TL;DR: Outsold every main series game, and by an order of magnitude. Succeeded in spite of Puyo Puyo rather than because of it, did a terrible job making new players actually want to play Puyo Puyo and just led them to bounce off it and play the other game instead. But even in spite of how much I initially disliked it as a game, I thought its success could lead to bigger and better things for the series, perhaps we could finally get a main series game localized next. Never happened, instead Sega rehashed this crossover four times. Main series is dead, never coming back.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA, do games w Gamers have you ever been in a game competition or something similar?
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve done a few competitions of various sorts, yeah Most of them have been tournaments. I lost all of them.

panda_abyss, do games w Day 383 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing

I think the stress of that area took a few years off my life

Derpenheim, do games w What game sequel ruined a beloved franchise or character for you?

Sacred 3. It was a soulless cash grab that had nothing to do with the previous game, which is one of my absolute favourite ARPG’s.

raptir,

Interestingly, I would say Sacred 2 as a huge fan of Sacred 1.

Derpenheim,

Totally fair. I would say each game in the Elder Scrolls series let me down more than the last, even though I still enjoyed each one, so I can how being a fan of the first would be such a letdown for the second.

mohab, do games w What game sequel ruined a beloved franchise or character for you?

It was not rubbish, but what Xrd did to my main character, Zato, irreparably damaged my relationship with any future Guilty Gear game, and Strive just finished off whatever hope I had left.

And to be clear: I'm not talking about power level here—fuck that. I'm only talking about how much fun I had with the character, and still do in Guilty Gear Plus R.

NuXCOM_90Percent, do games w So are GOG going to relist Devotion? Seeing how they're about freedom to buy games.

I like GoG but… GoG very much has a history of “performative” bullshit.

Some of us still remember The French Monk Incident where they pretended the site was shutting down and let everyone hammer the download servers so they would panic and “learn” why “DRM Free” games were better. The backlash was so bad that it actually led to the addition of a new quest (that totally wasn’t ready to go…) in The Witcher 2 that, if you won a game of dice poker (Gwent before we had Gwent) you would get a Witcher 1 code at GoG.

Also… their definition of “DRM Free” is what us olds would have called “that Stardock GOO shit”

They’ve also had a LOT of “we are going to lose the rights to sell this game so buy it now” FOMO sales. I want to say the Atari games have been through at least four?

And so forth throughout the years. It was more or less guaranteed GoG would do a smut games sale once Steam delisted games. The freebies is a surprise but stuff like House Party is a massive DLC sink and the Postals get given away five with every soda.

So e’rybody saying “Now is the time to let GoG know they were being inconsistent and they will fix everything”: Hey, I got a really great deal on this bridge. And I’ll give you a discount if you pay in whatever “untraceable” crypto kids like this week. Err, but through this site that just gives me fiat currency. No reason.

raptir, do games w What game sequel ruined a beloved franchise or character for you?

Torchlight 3 and Infinite. I was a fan of Torchlight before there was Torchlight. I played Fate to death in college. I played Mythos during the beta. I probably put more hours into Torchlight and Torchlight 2 than I did into Diablo and Diablo 2 (and I put a lot of time into Diablo).

I actually had hope for Torchlight Frontiers. I thought it seemed like it could be what Mythos was trying to be - finally an online Torchlight game.

But then they forgot about all of that and essentially released “Torchlight 2 Mobile” but on PC.

NuXCOM_90Percent, do games w What game sequel ruined a beloved franchise or character for you?

Beloved is a REALLY strong word.

But, Mortal Kombat 11. I had always enjoyed the MK games (it helped that my sister owned the N64 so I only played maybe a grand total of two hours of the wannabe Tekken ones…). And the timeloop reboot had reinvigorated the series and I was a much more accomplished fighting game player and actually understood how to push through projectile spam.

Then they randomly recast Sonya Blade with (sandy hook truther and terf) rhonda rousey and it was just… ugh. Even ignoring she is a hateful and evil shitbag… she is just a REALLY bad actress. Could never bring myself to grab 11 and by the time “1” came out I had also realized that I actively disliked the x-ray attacks and finishers since they were just boringly gorey time sinks.


And honorable mention to Splinter Cell Double Agent. But apparently the OG xbox/wii u (?) version of that was actually good and it was just 360/PC that was a steaming pile of shit. And Conviction was a very different game but also I still think about the aftermath of the EMP every so often.

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