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Godort, do gaming w Games designed to be one thing, but are commonly played other than intended?

Do randomizers count?

If so, I play through Link to the Past using unintentional methods about once a month.

Kolanaki,
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I’m from a time when complex games could lead to softlocking your progress if you made the simple mistske of assuming the game was programmed logically, so I avoid using those myself because I don’t want to get half way through the game only to be unable to go the rest of the way becsuse RNJesus forsook me. 😅

But yeah, they count.

Godort,

Every randomizer I’ve played has logic built-in to prevent that exact thing from happening. If there is a game you know inside and out, there might be a randomizer for it that can breathe new life into a title you love.

But with LttP specifically, you can set the randomizer to use a few different modes when placing items which range from “make everything accessible with vanilla item behavior” to “I’m a freak and walls are merely a suggestion”

Die4Ever,
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the “big list of randomizers” actually does not allow randomizers that are prone to softlocks

that wouldn’t be a randomizer, it would just be random lol

randomizers.debigare.com

I’m not sure where that common misconception of randomizers softlocking came from, it would be considered a bug

Kolanaki,
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I’ve seen plenty of Dark Souls randomizer runs that have to be restarted before leaving the asylum at the start because it didn’t spawn the key needed to leave. But that also was quite some time ago when these things were fairly new.

Die4Ever,
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Also remember that randomizers often have a lot of settings to customize, and sometimes they’ll have an option to disable the logic checks, so the players might’ve been doing this to themselves lol.

I know the Zelda, Castlevania, Final Fantasy, and Deus Ex randomizers are very robust against softlocks.

cecilkorik,

In addition to what other people have pointed out, I'll also add that most decent randomizers are very configurable -- you can usually make things as random (or as not random?) as you want. And typically you can also get a "seed solution" which will tell you exactly how to complete it (or if you've configured it to allow impossible seeds, it can tell you if it is even possible to do so). And there are many more options to use besides that. If you only want certain aspects or elements or sections of the game randomized, or you only want them randomized in a certain way or according to certain rules you can usually do that too. And you can usually either search for or tell it to generate specific seeds that will give you certain things early to give prompt access to the whole world if you want. These are called "open" or "very open" seeds. For speedrunning they can even be a significant challenge, as there is little guidance on where you need to go to get the next item when the whole map is almost immediately unlocked. The opposite, so-called "linear" seeds, have a very direct a->b->c->d progression path (much like the original game probably did) where as soon as you get an item, you know exactly what your next goal must be because the particular combination of items you possess might only give you access to one new location each time. But you may only realize this once you become intimately familiar with the game mechanics (and sometimes the randomizer's mechanics too).

Randomizers are really powerful tools for replaying a game you've otherwise mastered but they're not intended to only be hard. Sometimes they're actually very easy, especially if you tune them to be. And that's part of what's fun about them, the flexibility of being able to play some of your favourite games again in ways you always dreamed of doing, or ways that you never dreamed of doing. It's not just a challenge it's also a sandbox. It allows you to do new things that you never would've been able to do in the game without cheating, but it doesn't necessarily remove all challenge the way cheating normally would.

pdqcp,

TIL about randomizers. Time to go back into the cave with my favourite games from the past, tyvm

cevn, do gaming w What's the state of Linux gaming with Proton?

My nvidia 1080ti has some issues. Hopefully ur on team amd. Dont play lol, valorant, or battlefield and you will be good to go!

GottaHaveFaith, do gaming w What's the state of Linux gaming with Proton?

Unless you play only multiplayer with anticheat it's going to be great. Sign up on protondb, it will give you a report of your steam games compatibility

BarbecueCowboy, do gaming w What's the state of Linux gaming with Proton?

My Linux gaming problems have almost always ended up being KDE or Wayland problems and are mostly my own fault for running Arch.

Beyond those, there are a few very popular games that purposefully lock out Linux users. They usually blame it on cheating/hacking, but most major anticheat developers tend to support linux. Prime example of this is Destiny 2, you’re probably not going to play that on Linux. If you plan on anything with VR, you may still have a rough time, but Valve is probably working on something there.

oplkill, do games w Once again, looking for PS2 game suggestions!

Ice age 2

Contramuffin, (edited ) do gaming w What's the state of Linux gaming with Proton?

I haven’t bothered to check for Proton compatibility at all. The compatibility is so good that I just by default assume that it’ll work.

Now, if you have online multiplayer games, they likely won’t work due to anticheat not supporting Linux. But if you do single player games, there’s virtually complete compatibility

Linux Mint is a good choice, works right out of the box. The UI is a bit dated though, so I ended up settling on Kubuntu. It’s very aesthetic (like an updated version of Windows 10), and for the most part it works out of the box, but digging through its settings can be really overwhelming. Basically losing a bit of accessibility but gaining a much more modern aesthetic

If you choose to use Kubuntu (or any distro that uses KDE Plasma), I would recommend sticking with default settings and learn the settings slowly over time

Katana314,

The only games I’ve seen to have issues with online multiplayer are the biggest ones: COD and Battlefield. If you’re into those, I guess you do need to go Windows.

Some others I play are fine; Dead by Daylight, Wild Assault, Space Marine 2.

(No, I’m not a furry, I just like a Bad Company 2 style with infantry focus, and the abilities are pretty nice)

Addv4, do gaming w What's the state of Linux gaming with Proton?

So, finally made the jump a few months ago when upgrading (last PC to have windows, as I am very familiar with Linux), but didn’t really know how compatible my games were on Linux. I opened steam, and of my ~600 game library, maybe a dozen weren’t compatible. I haven’t really tested the epic and gog games I have much yet, but I assume that there isn’t going to be too huge of a problem with them. And for reference, my distro isn’t gaming focused (Endeavoros, Sway community edition), so I wouldn’t really worry about it much.

philpo,

For GOG Lutris is basically as easy as Steam.

Addv4,

Yeah, I’ve got that and heroic. I’ve downloaded a decent amount of the epic games, but haven’t really played them much, so I can’t really confirm that it’s a seamless experience on that front, though it probably is.

SacralPlexus, do gaming w What's the state of Linux gaming with Proton?

I’m pretty Linux illiterate but as I was making a new build last winter I decided to explore Linux for gaming. I ran Nobara for a few months with good luck. I mostly was playing single player or coop type games. After a couple of months I developed an issue with Nobara having problems updating (it would tell me updates were ready but they would fail to install).

After about a month of this I decided to try out Bazzite as it also had a good reputation. So far it has worked well for me with the one caveat that on the game Dune: Awakening I frequently get unexpected freezes that last 3-5 seconds before the game resumes. This game has PVP so this can be really annoying. I haven’t done any troubleshooting or even tried it on Windows to see if it’s a problem there so really idk if this is a Linux issue or not. Wasn’t worth it to me to investigate because I was losing interest in the game already.

I should note I’m not playing COD or any games running super invasive anti cheat stuff. Really the only problem I’ve had is that I haven’t figured out how to control all of my Corsair lighting/fans/AIO display in Linux so my rig isn’t as pretty as it is when I boot into Windows.

thetrekkersparky, do gaming w What's the state of Linux gaming with Proton?

I generally play single player games and have had little to no problems. Any issues I’ve had have required very little tinkering to fix and I’ve solved them all by simply searching online for the problem and finding out that its a common issue and someone has posted a step by step fix.

The biggest issue I’ve had is with baulders gate 3 multiplayer which I eventually fixed, but I can’t remember how anymore. Single player worked fine right out of the gate.

I’ve also had better luck playing older games on Linux vs Windows. Heroic Launcher also works great for anything you’ve purchased on GOG, Epic,and Amazon too.

Hond, do gaming w What's the state of Linux gaming with Proton?

Linux gaming is in a really good place and i say that as a VR and simracing player. My logitech wheel works perfectly after minuscule tinkering. With VR i have here and there some issues getting particular games running. But the vast majority of stuff just works which is pretty damn cool.

With that said Linux is still a learning process for me after a year. A lot stuff is straight up just better than on windows. Other things not so much. Audio over HDMI is flakey with my setup. It just stops working sometimes. Putting my PC to sleep and waking it up again breaks stuff regularly so i just stopped using the sleep function. Lots of other little issues pop up every other week. Sometimes it can be solved by googling for 2 minutes. Other times i needed to take hour long deepdives with the result of not beeing wiser after.

I dont regret the switch one bit. But in these kind of threads on lemmy you could easily walk away with the impression that the switch to Linux is a cakewalk. But it isnt. I was a Windows poweruser for 25 years. I never needed somebody to help me. I could fix my shit all by myself and a bit of googling. With linux a lot of stuff is familiar but for a lot of other stuff you start at square one. It can be exhausting at the beginning. But i say all that to just put you in the right mindset. If you expect a manegeable uphill battle you probably will be positively surprised how easy most of the gaming stuff is. But if you expect to just switch and everything working out without some involvement you will get frustrated sooner than later.

Asafum, do gaming w What's the state of Linux gaming with Proton?

As others have said it seems to be great. I made the switch to Mint a month or so ago and while I haven’t tried anything multiplayer, any game I tried on steam worked fine. I even used Lutris to get some games running that I acquired… 🦜 🏴‍☠️… and they worked as well with a little tinkering.

I was even surprised to see I could transfer an already installed game folder from my windows drive over to Linux and then set up lutris to recognize it and it worked as well! I’ve been pleasantly surprised with it so far, I’d say dual boot (using a separate drive) and test it out!

refreeze, do gaming w What's the state of Linux gaming with Proton?
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It’s really good from a compatibility perspective (i.e. most games at least will run) but there are still a few performance edge cases that have more to do with Linux than proton itself. For example, ray tracing for AMD performs significantly worse than on Windows unfortunately (I get ~45 FPS for CP2077 on my 9070 XT vs ~55 FPS on Windows with the same settings). Rasterization is a different story, and some games actually outperform Windows in this area. Another area which is a little annoying is dealing with games that require extra related programs running alongside them. I run Microsoft Flight Simulator (which performs great using proton) however it is a little tedious getting all the add-on software to start inside the same proton prefix, the same story is true for dealing with mod managers in other games.

Drewmeister, do gaming w What's the state of Linux gaming with Proton?

Some things I wasn’t told ahead of time but wish I had been:

  1. Your particular gfx card might have issues with your Linux distro. Save yourself a lot of troubleshooting and research ahead of time which distros are more likely to work out of the box with your card. After I started over and switched to PopOS for Nvidia, my life has been a lot easier.
  2. There is a fork of Proton called Proton-GE made by some dude with the moniker GloriousEggroll. It includes more features than base Proton like the ability to play more cutscenes and various graphical updates. For my build, it was essentially required.
  3. Just another note. Steam is great; for everything else there’s Heroic launcher. It’ll launch Gog, Epic… The non-steam launchers. And you can choose your compatibility layer, so if you install Steam first, it’ll default to Proton.
supersquirrel, (edited ) do games w Is it me or does it seem like review bombing on Steam has become so much worse recently?

I have noticed it in a targetted fashion against certain games, especially when they are threats to large game franchises that make a lot of money.

For example one of my favorite games Operation Harsh Doorstop is quite regularly review bombed, ultimately I don’t see how people would be so consistently motivated to review bomb the game, attack the developer and attempt to spread drama on the discussion forum unless they are paid. I am not exaggerating, this is an entirely free moddable game (hence why it can be review bombed easier I guess) and it really makes no sense how vile some people are in the reviews. Sure the game is in early access, it has lots of rough edges but the core game is just fun… the way people talk about it in the reviews is truly mindboggling and I have played A LOT of games so I am not just being biased here because I like the game.

I can only conclude that there is a lot of money in multiplayer FPS games and the owners of IP like Battlefield, Arma, Squad and live-service trash games like Enlisted REALLY don’t want there to be a fun, free moddable alternative to their shit offerings.

…steampowered.com/…/Operation_Harsh_Doorstop/

RightHandOfIkaros,

Did they fix the cheater problem? I played when it first dropped on Steam, and good lord was the cheater problem bad. Spawning grenade explosions every frame on all player positions for the entire match was awful. I haven’t reinstalled since.

Novamdomum,
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You've just reminded me actually, there was a game I loved playing the demo for called "Truck World: Australia - First Haul" I saw back in June that got hugely review bombed (maybe by ETS2 fans?). "Worse than a mobile game" and "It's way too red" were two I remember 🤣

supersquirrel,

Well at least we got Motor Town Behind The Wheel, I am not sure review bombing that game would be possible. The love is too strong and too pure.

…steampowered.com/…/Motor_Town_Behind_The_Wheel/

Bob_Robertson_IX, do gaming w What's the state of Linux gaming with Proton?

As others have mentioned, it’s not really anything I even think about any more. The other day I bought Microsoft Flight Simulator 40th Anniversary, installed it and was playing it before I even thought that I should have checked for compatibility first.

The biggest question is deciding which OS you want to install… I went with Nobara because it already had all of the dependencies needed for Steam, but it is not the only distro that comes ‘Steam ready’.

psx_crab,

I heard Mint is closest to the window experience, not sure about steam ready though, i didn’t know that is a thing i need to watch out for. i think i might try that first

andrewta,

I use mint with steam. No real issues at this point.

If you can. Get an external solid state drive and install Linus there to figure out any issues then if you screw up, you still have windows 10 as back up until you figure out all the issues. Then when you are ready wipe windows and install Linux that way

Katana314,

I think Mint is the cleanest recommendation when you don’t want to be held liable for issues; but for gaming specifically, I ended up liking CachyOS a bit more.

It’s very bleeding-edge, which if you know tech is often a good and bad thing. But games work well. It is not quite so clean with things like installing popular apps - I’m using a package manager called “bauh”, which is relatively new, unrefined, but works. I still end up installing a few things from terminal, which I know shouldn’t be needed for casual users.

Last I tried Mint was early in the year and I think I installed from an old version. It could be what few gaming issues I saw are gone.

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