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ChaoticEntropy, do games w Founder of Arkane Studios: "I think Gamepass is an unsustainable model that has been increasingly damaging the industry for a decade"; impacts sales
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Sooo… Gamepass is one of the services that is driving up the price of the non-gamepass versions of those games, right? They’ve got to recoup costs somehow, and then the rest of the industry takes that as an opportunity to consider these inflated prices as the new baseline.

Tillman,

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  • Ledivin,

    The market has also increased 1000-times over, while simultaneously removing physical barriers entirely. The development itself is more expensive, sure, but distribution is way cheaper and the potential gains have increased at a much quicker rate, especially for smaller games.

    AnnaFrankfurter, do trains w Railway electrification of India by State in 2024

    Sorry to be a buzzkill but ~70% of India’s electricity is coming from coal powerplants. They are working on using nuclear and renewable but still currently it is mostly coal.

    zemon,

    Might still be better for the environment overall than running trains on oil. I don’t know if any study exists on the topic.

    AnnaFrankfurter,

    I’m not sure about efficiency of oil engines vs electric engines but at least infrastructure is already available and once India switches to nuclear/renewable it’ll help massively…

    glowing_hans,

    Coal fired plants are more energy and heat efficient than internal combustion engines on trains. Waste heat can be used for industrial areas. Also the pollution is localized and heavy duty filters can be installed, while the train can not carry heavy filters without worse transport efficiency.

    daw,

    Electrification is always the first step to sustainability (at least from the efficiency approach to sustainability, post growth approaches should always come first) You can’t put clean energy into a diesel engine, to switch any electric system over from fossil electricity to clean electricity is much easier and most importantly can be done in increments making it easier to get going on such shifts.

    SteposVenzny, do gaming w I have about 55 hours of flights coming up. I’m thinking about the deus ex collection. Any thoughts?

    Deus Ex is great but 55 hours of having nothing to do but Deus Ex sounds overwhelming. Grab UFO 50 as well so you have some low-commitment alternatives to fall back on.

    neon_nova,

    Thanks! I have about 750gb of space for games, so I’m going to make sure I’m loaded with options.

    SteposVenzny,

    There’s like an emotional component to it, though. Having lots of options doesn’t necessarily feel like lots of options. Deus Ex and hundreds of gigs of not Deus Ex feels like a yes or no decision, trying one of the multitude of other options being psychically equivalent just turning the machine off. At least in my experience.

    Hence the suggestion of a compilation. Multiple other games but connected to each other to form a greater whole. Five minutes of Balatro and five minutes of One Way Heroics feels like ten minutes of not playing Deus Ex, whereas five minutes of Magic Garden and five minutes of Mortol feels like ten minutes of UFO 50.

    Blackmist, do games w Founder of Arkane Studios: "I think Gamepass is an unsustainable model that has been increasingly damaging the industry for a decade"; impacts sales

    I think it was Netflix that went through a period of releasing movies in cinemas and putting it on streaming on day one.

    It was such a resounding success that they no longer do that.

    I guess MS has deep enough pockets to not realise their folly yet. PSN Premium/Extra isn’t as good value from a consumer point of view, but it also hasn’t killed their own console. What that cannibalises is the “wait for a sale” people, who would likely have paid £20 for a game a year or two down the line. I think that’s a more manageable than losing all the day one £65 sales.

    rumba,

    I thought that was during Covid.

    I’m honestly surprised that movie theaters even exist still. Motion picture groups basically starve the theaters to the point where they can only survive off of concessions. The places are almost universally dirty and understaffed. Most of the mom and pop shops died off decades ago.

    Blackmist,

    According to Wikipedia, they started it in 2015 with Beasts of No Nation and stopped in 2018 with Roma.

    Lots of others did it during covid though.

    The last time I actually enjoyed a cinema was a tiny little place in Iceland that appeared to have two screens, a ticket stand and a snack stand, and had one old guy running between all of them like a novelty act. This is how a cinema should be, not some horrible 12 screen thing showing the same Marvel shite at 20 minute intervals.

    We did see Die Hard 4 though, so it wasn’t all fun and games. Still it could have been worse. It could have been Die Hard 5…

    Tillman,

    And as an industry they return less than the sp500 so not only is movie viewing horrible, movie making is a terrible investment .

    SkunkWorkz, do games w Founder of Arkane Studios: "I think Gamepass is an unsustainable model that has been increasingly damaging the industry for a decade"; impacts sales

    Wasn’t it obvious when that datasheet was released in one of the lawsuits. They paid Rockstar hundreds of millions for GTA V. Of course it’s unsustainable. Not to mention the pricing of GP is too good to be true. MS is hemorrhaging money on GP, on purpose. They basically play the standard Silicon Valley play book. Instead of making things yourself just sell access to customers to producers and price out the competition by undercutting them and incur heavy losses, so you become the only gatekeeper in town. And instead of a store like Steam where the studios and publisher can set their own prices they use a subscription model so they can not only gatekeep access to the customers MS can decide what they want to pay these game devs before the product even hits the service. And if they ever achieve a monopoly the game devs basically have no choice but to accept whatever MS offers.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    They paid Rockstar hundreds of millions for GTA V. Of course it’s unsustainable.

    I wouldn’t be so sure. Best estimates for their subscribers are north of 25M and as high as 35M. The $1 subscribers have dried up by now, but even if we assume an average of $10/month/user, in the current world where there’s a $20 tier with the really juicy stuff, that’s at least a quarter of a billion dollars per month in revenue. Now that’s revenue, not profit, but those several hundred million dollar deals also died down, as well as their willingness to license outside content anywhere near as much as they used to, which they can feasibly afford to do because they’ve built up a portfolio of games that they own in perpetuity, not unlike what Netflix did.

    _stranger_,

    MS may not have invented it (although I’d argue they essentially did) but they did perfect it. That was the whole idea behind windows and IE, market share dominance at any cost.

    ILikeBoobies,

    We call it the Walmart model

    CatDogL0ver,

    MS is making money from Gamepass

    ano_ba_to,

    Have they paid off the 70 billion? If they are making money, why are they firing people and cancelling projects?

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    Depending on how you do accounting, they may or may not have paid off the $70B. They’re firing people and cancelling projects, according to reporting, because they want to free up $80B of capital across the organization to invest in AI. Whatever money these other sectors are making, the money AI could make is seen as being way higher.

    Thief, do gaming w You would think the dinosaurs would have been a greater discovery then the artifact she is chasing
    @Thief@lemmy.myserv.one avatar

    I always wondered why there are weapons and health packs lying around in unexplored caves.

    affiliate,

    because people already took all the weapons and health packs that were in the explored caves

    JCpac,

    I want to argue with this, but it makes too much sense

    IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds,

    that’s how you prepare an expression. she’s a professional

    cdf12345,

    I wondered the same about underground candles that are always lit?

    Then I found out it’s cannon in doom

    youtu.be/3WOWUfD_fuM

    ProdigalFrog, do gaming w I have about 55 hours of flights coming up. I’m thinking about the deus ex collection. Any thoughts?

    If you play the OG deus ex, I highly recommend modding it with the revision overhaul, or GMDX. It’s very clunky without one.

    If you like stealth games, I’d recommend the first two thief games (with fan patches to run well on modern systems).

    neon_nova,

    Thanks! I’ll do that. Even though I grew up with these old games, I’m spoiled by new ones.

    M137, do gaming w You would think the dinosaurs would have been a greater discovery then the artifact she is chasing
    @M137@lemmy.world avatar

    than*

    ironhydroxide, do gaming w You would think the dinosaurs would have been a greater discovery then the artifact she is chasing

    Then the artifact what?

    vxx, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact

    It needs way more people, because I guess a lot of people from all over the world used VPNs to sign the petition and will get nullified.

    So if you planned to do it, don’t, you will hurt your goals more than you’re doing an good.

    randombullet, do gaming w I have about 55 hours of flights coming up. I’m thinking about the deus ex collection. Any thoughts?

    If you want to be very sad or maybe inspired, spiritfarer was excellent. The two Oris are great time sinks. Horizon Zero Dawn ran fine on my deck but chews battery life.

    errer, do gaming w You would think the dinosaurs would have been a greater discovery then the artifact she is chasing

    Is this the plot of the new Jurassic World movie?

    jaschen306,

    Lara Croft was still better than Rebirth.

    Blackmist,

    It can’t be worse than those Chris Pratt ones, can it?

    jaschen306,

    I watched it. It’s worse. There were too many side stories and none of them really fit together.

    Blackmist,

    It’s got Gareth Edwards on board at least. I’ll probably give it a watch at some point just for that. Plus action hero Chris Pratt is the worst Chris Pratt. I liked him better when he was fat.

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone more out of their depth than Colin Trevorrow. A real shame that, because I actually enjoyed Safety Not Guaranteed.

    vala, do games w Founder of Arkane Studios: "I think Gamepass is an unsustainable model that has been increasingly damaging the industry for a decade"; impacts sales

    Honestly who cares. Stop buying AAA slop and support indies.

    WorldsDumbestMan,

    Only open-sourced, homebrewed, and single-person is what we need!

    alsimoneau,

    10 people or less.

    Captain of Industry is a gem with a 4 person team Risk of Rain was 2, expanded to 3

    That’s still at a human scale.

    Duamerthrax,

    Hedon, Cultic, Zortch I think were all solo devs.

    Jeffool, (edited ) do games w Founder of Arkane Studios: "I think Gamepass is an unsustainable model that has been increasingly damaging the industry for a decade"; impacts sales
    @Jeffool@lemmy.world avatar

    Game Pass obviously and absolutely affects game sales. At the same time this conversation only happens because we’re comparing “the industry with Game Pass” to “games at face value”. That second one only lasted 10-15-ish years. Before that, there was “the industry with game rentals”. Blockbuster was also absolutely eating up some sales.

    But game rentals were often seen as a “try before you buy” case to many, as you may want to play a game more than 3-5 days. So maybe the answer is don’t lease your game to Game Pass for a year at a time. Just offer it for a month or three. (Also make an easy way for the non-technical to export/import saves.) This also would let Microsoft make more deals for more games in their rotation. Seems like a shorter time helps everyone out.

    sp3ctr4l,

    Yeah, it used to be quite common for PC gaming magazines to include a demo disk, basically, here’s the game and the first level or two, often you could fit a couple game’s demo versions on one cd.

    GamesPass could easily do something like uh… hey, this game here, you can play for 2 or 5 or 10 hours, and then if you want more, you can buy it with… I dunno, a 1/4 to 1/3 discount if you’re subbed to GamesPass, and you’ve got the playtime.

    tobz619,

    Yeah, honestly, what was wrong with games releasing Demos?

    I think a lot of games would do well if they also bundled limited demos of other games with them too like back in the old days.

    Sidhean, do games w Founder of Arkane Studios: "I think Gamepass is an unsustainable model that has been increasingly damaging the industry for a decade"; impacts sales

    backlog gamepass would be hype. Like, this whole thing is shit and old game should probably cycle into the public domain; if a corp put work into keeping old games playable, how cool would that be?

    ICastFist,
    @ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

    “But if you offer all these old games to play, why would anyone bother buying the new stuff?” - some corpo director

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