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freakrho, do gaming w Xbox boss would ‘love to find solutions’ so games aren’t lost when the 360 store closes | VGC
@freakrho@programming.dev avatar

it used to be the case that when you weren’t able to enforce DRM on a piece of software anymore, you would offer it as a free download so people who bought it wouldn’t lose it

freakrho,
@freakrho@programming.dev avatar

thinking about photoshop CS2 for instance, they offered the download and some keys that would work on it

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

But then it quit working on 64bit.

freakrho,
@freakrho@programming.dev avatar

they don’t have to keep supporting, just not make it unavailable the best case would be if they made it open source, in that case other people could keep maintaining it, but would be against their profit incentives

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

If adobe made their best selling product open source?

BlahajEnjoyer,

Then the world would be a better place and it would likely use less RAM

upstream,

Image processing uses huge amounts of RAM. Regardless of who makes the software.

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

GIMP is best RAM!!! 🤪

freakrho,
@freakrho@programming.dev avatar

think about all the resources currently spent on stopping people from using software

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Reworded: Think of all the resources spent on making sure people don’t steal the software you paid to make.

I’m all for open source software. But if a company spends money paying employees, they need to not go out of business.

Now, do I think they overcharge? Yes. Do I think their subscription model is offensive? Yes. Are there other alternatives: Affinity Photo, you pay once for the version. Yours forever.

rich, do gaming w Xbox boss would ‘love to find solutions’ so games aren’t lost when the 360 store closes | VGC

But…aren’t they all already backed up by the preservation community? Redump, etc. I haven’t checked admittedly

TonyTonyChopper, do gaming w Xbox boss would ‘love to find solutions’ so games aren’t lost when the 360 store closes | VGC
@TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz avatar

The final solution 🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️

qyron, do gaming w Xbox boss would ‘love to find solutions’ so games aren’t lost when the 360 store closes | VGC

Either open source it, lead an effort to create a way for everything to be emulateable involving the players/fans/supporters in it or port everything for another platform.

and don’t even think about charge a single cent again; it’s your part planning to deprive people from the store.

acastcandream, (edited )

Microsoft should make all of their Microsoft studio games available that they no longer want to host, but they can’t force other studios to do the same anymore than Valve can force studios to do a sale/give away games on steam.

qyron,

They way it was written passed me the impression the titles were all MS proprietary.

roguetrick,

The key thing is, their license model and walled garden policies are what created the problem. Wringing their hands when something they knew would happen happens isn't admirable.

acastcandream,

Oh no doubt. Believe me I have no sympathy for M$. I’m just reiterating the fact that it’s not as simple as it sounds, even if it’s because of their own decisions lol

TwilightVulpine,

Legally they can't do it, but we need a legal solution for the quick obsolescence of digital media. Digital media can't be reasonably expected to last "120 years from the date of creation" like books can. By then not only servers are sure to be down, but every single XBox 360 will have turned into piles of rust. Even movies struggle to last this long.

NuPNuA,

Aside from games where the lisences have expired like Forza, most first party games are back cat on the series S/X aren’t they?

acastcandream,

The list of backwards compatible 360 games is pretty lengthy but it is not 100% covered

NuPNuA,

First party are largely covered though right. It’s third party they can’t get the rights to repackage that cause the issue.

ReversalHatchery,

I doubt they have the sources for the games they distribute

savvywolf, do gaming w Xbox boss would ‘love to find solutions’ so games aren’t lost when the 360 store closes | VGC
@savvywolf@pawb.social avatar

If you’re not intending to sell them for profit any more, then just let us download and emulate them.

It’s not a hard problem.

TonyTonyChopper,
@TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz avatar

heads begin exploding at Nindento HQ

Wage_Slave,

It's not even their company and just the suggestion here has their legal teams on high alert and ready.

TonyTonyChopper,
@TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz avatar

I avoid using their actual name so I don’t get an automated cease and desist in the post

TehPers,

You really thing not referencing them or making any content related to any of their IPs will prevent them from sending a C&D? They’d probably send one out to everyone if it didn’t cost them any money to do so. God forbid you hire some plumbers, wear a red shirt, or draw something in the shape of a star.

all-knight-party,
@all-knight-party@kbin.cafe avatar

Isn't some of the issue there that just because they don't have plans now doesn't preclude them from deciding down the line to do something? If they release that all for free then later ports or things of that nature directly lose value.

lolcatnip,

Companies that don’t actively market/license their IP should lose it fairly quickly and be required to release it to the public domain.

all-knight-party,
@all-knight-party@kbin.cafe avatar

I'd agree with that, there should be a stricter standard on that stuff across the board with media.

HellAwaits,

Who’s going to maintain that infrastructure of free old game downloads? Companies don’t like to work for little benefit. It’s way harder than you think.

BlahajEnjoyer,

Drop the ISOs on torrent, problem solved. No need to reinvent the wheel, just do what the pirates have been doing for decades at this point.

Yearly1845,

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  • hedgehog,

    And BitTorrent is already used to distribute games! Blizzard uses BitTorrent to distribute WoW, for example.

    Small correction, though - BitTorrent wasn’t released until 2001.

    NuPNuA,

    Do you not understand how IP we works? MS publish a minimal amount of the actual titles on the 360, the remainder belong to third party publishers that woukd never agree to this. MS have already tried to bring the whole 360 catalogue to the S/X back cat but can’t get a lot of these publishers to sign off on the adaptations needed to get them running.

    thekarion, do gaming w Denuvo security is now on Switch, including new tech to block PC Switch emulation

    It’s going to be cracked within a week

    Dalinar,

    That’s not how it works for most games unless Empress goes at I. U

    slauraure, do gaming w Denuvo security is now on Switch, including new tech to block PC Switch emulation

    How is this going to affect battery life? Some of us don’t have the switch connected to power 24/7. Sounds like a bad idea for an underpowered handheld device.

    sounddrill,

    It’ll probably rely on offline checks

    Will be equivalent to steamdrm, uplay, etc

    cheeseburger, do gaming w Denuvo security is now on Switch, including new tech to block PC Switch emulation
    @cheeseburger@lemmy.ca avatar

    Is this some hardware they’re activating or software that’s going to hurt already struggling performance?

    Dalinar,

    Software probably, it already hurts performance on PC versions.

    ipkpjersi,

    It will hurt performance, yeah. DRM is evil.

    onlooker, do gaming w Denuvo security is now on Switch, including new tech to block PC Switch emulation
    @onlooker@lemmy.ml avatar

    As a Switch owner, fuck this. This is reason enough for me to stop buying games on the Switch and go full piracy/emulation mode. I don’t have any Denuvo games on my PC and I am not having any on my Switch.

    HidingCat, do gaming w Denuvo security is now on Switch, including new tech to block PC Switch emulation

    Well, shit, sorry Switch gamers, you're going to have to put up with this steaming pile of shit us PC gamers had to do as well.

    GrimReaperCZ,

    Yep, except you can take the FPS hit on PC.

    Oha, do gaming w Denuvo security is now on Switch, including new tech to block PC Switch emulation

    Fuck Nintendo, Fuck Denuvo, Fuck everyone

    Plume, do gaming w Denuvo security is now on Switch, including new tech to block PC Switch emulation

    And like every other DRM, it’s just going to be something that the people who bought the game and play it unaltered will be forced to deal with in one way or another… while those who modify the game, emulate or pirate it, won’t. I love DRMs. Nothing like feeling like a sucker for actually buying the game and not cracking it.

    NightOwl,

    Like Resident Evil Village before they fixed it.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXZGCwAJpbM

    It shouldn’t be a problem if it’s properly implemented, but games are so broken these days and take months to fix if lucky that it’s insulting to paying customers. Properly implemented DRM is not a guarantee when games have been unoptimized even without it.

    conciselyverbose,

    Even perfectly implemented DRM steals cycles that can't possibly benefit any gamer ever in any way.

    NightOwl,

    At the very least even if it runs beautifully it ends up being an annoyance on Steam Deck and offline play interrupting your game session as though you are the pirate as opposed to an actual customer who paid. While the pirates laugh at the experience you should be getting.

    millie, do gaming w Denuvo security is now on Switch, including new tech to block PC Switch emulation

    Welp, I guess we’re going to be getting a DRM-breaking emulator accompanied by some weird new rant by Empress.

    OttoVonGoon,

    Was she the one who released an nfo where she went off on a random insane rant against trans people?

    Tau,

    yes

    reddithalation,

    it would be preferable to have someone other than her cracking denuvo lol

    Kolanaki,
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    No one else is batshit insane enough to wanna warp their minds working with this garbage. She is already warped, so it doesn’t affect her. Much.

    reddithalation,

    personally I think that theres loads of people with the skillset to do it, but they all have nice jobs in cybersecurity instead of cracking video games.

    regalia, do gaming w Denuvo security is now on Switch, including new tech to block PC Switch emulation

    Well they’re a little late at least. All the good games worth getting on the Switch are already out, and it’ll be about a year until Switch 2 will probably be out.

    miracleorange,

    Could be doing this in preparation for the Switch 2.

    bankimu,

    Switch 2 should then be a much less of a hit than Switch. Already Steam Deck has proven to be a far better handheld gaming console.

    Atemu,
    @Atemu@lemmy.ml avatar

    Given this is Nintendo, I highly doubt this code would be portable to the new console.

    ArtZuron, do gaming w Denuvo security is now on Switch, including new tech to block PC Switch emulation
    @ArtZuron@beehaw.org avatar

    What I will always find funny is that pirated and cracked games run better than the actual ones with Denovo.

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