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squirrel, do gaming w ‘I am sorry’: Unity partially walks back on controversial monetization plans | VGC
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Ars Technica has done an interview with Unity’s Marc Whitten and Whitten’s responses are very, very telling:

“It was not our intent to nickel-and-dime it, but it came across that way,” he said. […]
"A large part of the problem, Whitten said, was that Unity “didn’t communicate effectively… There were areas where there was some confusion, and we could have done a better job.” […]
“That’s on us,” he continued. “We didn’t do a good enough job… of delivering the information that would help people.”

It shows how dishonest he still is: Of course, they wanted to nickel-and-dime everything. People were not “confused”, they were outraged. No matter how much of a mess Unity’s initial explanations of the details were, the core message was pretty clear: Unity was aiming to get as much money out of developers as it can and it did neither bother to iron out the details of the changes, nor assess the potential damage their plans could do.

Rumours from inside Unity said that their own employees warned management, but managment saw a chance to make money and plowed ahead.

And going by Whitten’s statements, they still want to hide behind meaningless corpo-speak and the same people who got their business into this mess now claim that they have changed their ways.

gregorum,

Exactly. It’s a load of horseshit, and they got caught. Moving forward, there’s no reason to believe they won’t slowly add the policies back piecemeal after all of the outrage has died down.

all-knight-party,
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For a squirrel you're quite well-spoken and genteel. I applaud you, my good rodent.

squirrel,
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Thank you. I try to make an effort, but it is really hard to type. Humans should make smaller keyboards.

agent_flounder,
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At least you have paws.

squirrel,
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A beak or feet work too, but I get your point. Invertebrates obviously have a hard time with typing.

agent_flounder,
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frog,
squid,

No ww e neeed waterprooof keeyboaards tha t aree tennticaal freeinddl y

squirrel,
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My sympathies. Keyboard producers are really dropping the ball for you guys.

gonta,

Is this a D:OS2 reference

all-knight-party,
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It wasn't supposed to be, but it can be if you want. Is your name a Danganronpa V3 reference?

gaael,

Sir Lora stuff ?

vivadanang,

Until JR and the board that enabled this shit show to happen are gone, I’m done with Unity.

mindbleach, do games w Embracer says its ‘crazy’ outlay on platform fees exceeds its spend on game development

Every platform takes a third off the top.

A third.

I have no love for this company whatsoever. Most of the their revenue streams should frankly be illegal. But I’m not exactly thrilled about every glorified software repository taking a pound of flesh off all revenue, licit or otherwise.

CancerMancer, do games w Embracer says its ‘crazy’ outlay on platform fees exceeds its spend on game development

Epic Game Store is focused so hard on making it good for devs but they have also intentionally neutered it for gamers. Does it even run on Linux yet? We all know that’s the direction Valve is taking things and it’s why Microsoft is starting to panic.

amzd,

It kinda does? You have to use a third party app like lutris/heroic.

You could argue that steam doesn't fully work on linux either (multiple windows like chat, friendslist or library opened on the same workspace regularly crash on Wayland and I havent had the steam overlay working on any non linux native game) but these features arent even part of the epic launcher

sugar_in_your_tea,

Huh, I’ve never used chat, I rarely use the friends list, and I think I’ve intentionally used the overlay maybe a handful of times. So I don’t think that’s a big loss.

However, they did work fine on xorg (I haven’t used any of them since switching a few months ago).

Regardless, the launcher works for the primary use cases: buying, organizing, installing, and playing games. So I think that qualifies as supporting Linux, even if there are some bugs here and there.

HackerJoe,

Not from Epic, no. But there is Legendary github.com/derrod/legendary

It’s (relatively, don’t use the embedded browser) pure Python and runs anywhere. I also use it on my Win7 retro machine because the Epic Launcher sucks. It also supports epic DRM and can log the game in.

InEnduringGrowStrong, do games w Embracer says its ‘crazy’ outlay on platform fees exceeds its spend on game development
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Round about way to say they spend less than 30% on development. Gotta pay big money to the team inventing the latest mtx addiction bs.

sugar_in_your_tea,

So 30-40% profit? That sounds like a lot.

bob_lemon, do games w Embracer says its ‘crazy’ outlay on platform fees exceeds its spend on game development

Wait… that math does not possibly check out. In the worst case scenario (Steam), they pay 30% of the revenue from the game in platform fees. If they spend less than that for settlement, simple math tells us that there is at least 41% of the revenue basically unaccounted for.

There’s a bit of overhead in every company, like HR, IT and facilities, so maybe these don’t count for “development cost” (which makes no sense tbh, that’s not how project budgets work). Marketing can eat a ton of money, too, but the numbers still seem bafflingly high.

Opafi,

What? It just means that they spend less than 30% on development. That doesn’t sound too far off, as a lot of the money probably goes to marketing, management, administration or (gasp) profits.

sugar_in_your_tea,

And marketing is a huge part of stupid MTX games, you gotta attract the suckers to your game after all.

Blxter,
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Unless I live under a rock I don’t see the point of spending a lot on marketing ads for games. Two big examples of games that sold extremely well that I never saw an ad for were elden ring and boulders gate three. If you just make a good game word of mouth will tell how good the game is not an ad on TV.

tiramichu, (edited )

It seems like it can make sense. Platform fees aren’t an initial outlay, they’re effectively a cut of profits based on sales.

For the sake of argument using fake numbers, if a studio spends $1m making a game, and then they put it on Steam and it does $10m in sales, then Steam’s cut of that at 30% will be $3m

So, spending more on store fees than development seems possible - especially if your game is selling really well

conciselyverbose,

The percent isn't fixed at 30%, though. Big sellers lower the cut, and Steam takes literally zero from keys they sell elsewhere.

tiramichu,

It’s 30% up to $1m I believe but sure, there are complications. It’s just example numbers to illustrate the point.

rigatti, do games w Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth is a PlayStation 5 exclusive for at least three months | VGC
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To think it was only announced eight years ago…

heartspoken, do games w Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth is a PlayStation 5 exclusive for at least three months | VGC
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it sucks having to wait on get it on PC. I want to be optimistic and say it gives them time to fix bugs but so far no delayed PC release I know of has ever done that or at least hasn’t introduced new issues when porting it over

usualsuspect191,

Personally, I’m fine with it since I won’t be buying any of them until it’s all been released anyways.

Katana314, do games w Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth is a PlayStation 5 exclusive for at least three months | VGC

Can’t believe the remake of Final Fantasy 7 is almost 2/6ths finished! (Going off of the Disc 1/2/3 look)

rigatti,
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To think it was only announced eight years ago…

ipkpjersi, do games w Horizon Forbidden West Complete Edition is reportedly coming to PC

Not too surprising, everyone knew this was coming but it’s still good news.

FartsWithAnAccent, do games w Horizon Forbidden West Complete Edition is reportedly coming to PC
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I kind of figured as much, still need to finish the first one though. Pretty good so far though!

DLSantini, do games w Horizon Forbidden West Complete Edition is reportedly coming to PC

Finally. The first one, I waited and waited for it to get PC port before I played it. When Forbidden West came out, I traded a smart watch for a ps4 pro, got FW from Gamefly, finished the game, and then immediately resold the ps4. Been waiting for it to come to PC so I can finally buy it on Steam.

FrankTheHealer, do games w Horizon Forbidden West Complete Edition is reportedly coming to PC

Awesome. I played the first one on PS4 and was blown away.

Would love to replay that and FW on Steam Deck

Thranduil, do games w Horizon Forbidden West Complete Edition is reportedly coming to PC

Now we just need permitted north to be made

processed_dna, do games w Horizon Forbidden West Complete Edition is reportedly coming to PC

Really enjoyed this on PS5, but can’t wait to sink my teeth into it on PC with KB&M aiming. Same as the first game, I really enjoyed it again on PC.

Thassodar,

Play it on PC with a PS5 or Xbox controller. That’s what I did.

kadu,
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But… they’ve just talked about how they’re excited to play with keyboard and mouse…

Thassodar,

I misread it. My bad.

MrGerrit, do games w Horizon Forbidden West Complete Edition is reportedly coming to PC

It’s great game, loved playing it.

Only down part of the game is story.

What I mean is it isn’t a bad story, but in comparison to h:zd that had the slow plot reveal that made me go: what? What?! And want to eagerly know more about the story.

But gameplay is great and the skills you can unlock makes it very fun to play.

RIP Lance Reddick, him voicing Sylens is so great. I really hope they have enough recorded material for the next game.

ipkpjersi,

Holy shit, I had no idea Lance Reddick died.

I enjoyed the story of HFW, I just dislike how empty the base felt after the end of the story in HFW.

MrGerrit,

Yeah it’s sad. They added a memorial in the burning shores dlc that you can visit.

The base is at its best when your allies are there. I always love the random conversations between them.

For me it does give the feeling how important the reason is why they’re not there.

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