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VeryInterestingTable, do games w Square Enix says it wants generative AI to be doing 70% of its QA and debugging by the end of 2027

QA annnnd Debugging?

LLMs have a much better chance at succesfuly replacing whoever said that.

Skullgrid,
@Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

the LLMs can barely make fucking working code, let alone test it

Flickerby, do games w Square Enix says it wants generative AI to be doing 70% of its QA and debugging by the end of 2027

And I thought I had no more disappointment left to allocate

pirateKaiser,

It’s just that you’ve reached your free quota, further disappointments will be charged 0.0937 emotional stability per hour

MourningDove, do games w Square Enix says it wants generative AI to be doing 70% of its QA and debugging by the end of 2027

So… no more SE games for me. Not a huge loss to be honest.

pineapplelover, do games w Square Enix says it wants generative AI to be doing 70% of its QA and debugging by the end of 2027

Sure

Ryanmiller70, do gaming w ‘We had to stop focusing on those who hated us’: Ubisoft says it won the battle against Assassin’s Creed Shadows backlash [VGC]

I mean didn’t they also state one of the reasons they cancelled their Civil War AC game was cause of the backlash from this game?

theangriestbird,
@theangriestbird@beehaw.org avatar

Partly. But it was more about how the US is currently on the brink of another civil war, so Ubi felt like that might not be great for sales in the US.

DebatableRaccoon,

It would make them amazingly relevant again though. Not owning shit is so 2024

Tronn4, do games w Square Enix says it wants generative AI to be doing 70% of its QA and debugging by the end of 2027

insert plane crashing.gif

mavu, do games w Square Enix says it wants generative AI to be doing 70% of its QA and debugging by the end of 2027

Well, good luck with that. Software development is a shit show already anyway. You can find me in my Gardening business in 2027.

Rooster326, (edited )

Good Luck. When the economy finally bottoms out the first budget to go is always the gardening budget.

You can find me in my plumbing business in 2028.

I deal with shit daily so it’s what we in biz call a horizontal promotion.

Regrettable_incident,
@Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

Market gardening isn’t so bad, people gotta eat. But yeah, if you’re cutting lawns you’re going to suffer when the economy shits the bed.

mavu,

That is a valid point, and I think i’ll preemptively pivot to woodworking.

BigBananaDealer, do games w Square Enix says it wants generative AI to be doing 70% of its QA and debugging by the end of 2027

dont they already have dumbbots in playtesting?

frongt,

The Talos Principle certainly did in 2014.

Taldan, do games w Square Enix says it wants generative AI to be doing 70% of its QA and debugging by the end of 2027

So Square Enix is demanding OpenAI stop using their content, but is 100% okay using AI built off stolen content to make more money themselves

As a developer, it bothers me that my code is being used to train AI that Square Enix is using while trying to deny anyone else the ability to use their work

I could go either way on whether or not AI should be able to train on available data, but no one should get to have it both ways

AntiBullyRanger,

🙇‍♀️🙇‍♀️🙇‍♀️🙇‍♀️ I came to this 🧵 to make this exact ridicule.
Capitalists really showing their true colors when it comes to self-indulgence.

Mikina, (edited ) do games w Square Enix says it wants generative AI to be doing 70% of its QA and debugging by the end of 2027

Square Enix actually has a pretty sick automated QA already. There’s a cool talk about how they did that for FFVII remake in GDC vault, and I highly recommend watching it, if you’re at all interested in QA.

It has nothing to do with AI, it’s just plain old automation, but they solve most of the issues you get with making automated tests in non-discrete 3D playspace and they do that in a pretty solid way. It’s definitely something I’d love to have implemented in the games I’m working on, as someone who worked in QA and now works in development. Being able to have mostly reliable way how to smoke-test levels for basic gameplay without having to torture QA to run the test-case again is good, and allows QA to focus on something else - but the tools also need oversight, so it’s not really a job lost. In summary - I think the talk is cool tech and worth the watch.

However, I don’t think AI will help in this regard, and something as unreliable and random as AI models are not a good fit for this job. You want to have deterministic testcases that you can quanitfy, and if something doesn’t match have an actual human to look at why. AI also probably won’t be able to find clever corner-cases and bugs that need human ingenuity.

Fuck AI, I kind of hope this is just a marketing talk and they are actually just improving the (deterministic) tools they already have (which actually are AI by definition, since they also do level exploration on top of recorded inputs), and they are calling it an “AI” to satisfy investors/management without actually slapping a glorified chat-bot into the tech for no reason.

Mikina, do games w Square Enix says it wants generative AI to be doing 70% of its QA and debugging by the end of 2027

Large companies probably do that anyway.

Take Blizzard for example. They just released a new patch, where class campaign quests for 8/12 classes do not work. Sure, it’s a remixed version of older expansion, and with all the phasing stuff I can kind of imagine some of the phasing issues being caused by, I don’t know, the player having a weird combination of completed stuff that’s hard to properly catch in testing, since there’s quite a lot of variables.

But the fact that one of the class quests requires crafted items to be completed, while crafting isn’t available by design in the Remix, there’s just no excuse. They either just don’t give a fuck about an issue that’s literally a progression blocker with 100% repro rate (while also being pretty easy to fix), or no one ever tested it even once. And it’s not just some random sidequest, it’s literally the main class campaign, one of the main features of the expansion.

As someone who worked in QA and gamedev, I can’t imagine how could something as obvious as this ever get approved for release. That’s something you catch immediately. Hell, you don’t even have to play through it to realize that this might be a problem.

Rooster326,

Work at a larger company. Most people are so used to terrible Customer Service these days that we just use our customers as the QA. Nobody complains as much as they should. As they say

Everybody has a test environment. Only some are lucky enough to have a separate production environment.

cerebralhawks, do gaming w ‘We had to stop focusing on those who hated us’: Ubisoft says it won the battle against Assassin’s Creed Shadows backlash [VGC]

Cool, but I wish they’d look at why people hate them, ignore the bullshit reasons, and focus on the good points — and work to improve them.

I haven’t cared about Assassin’s Creed since the first one. The fights are like playing Guitar Hero blindfolded, but on Expert, except if you fail, you die and have to start over. QTEs where you can’t even see the prompts are dumb. They had a cool vision for the game, but the actual implementation sucked.

Another game, I forget which one, had forced inverted X-axis and you couldn’t un-invert it. Bonus, the Y axis couldn’t be inverted like I like. So the game was completely unplayable.

I feel like they don’t give a shit about gamers.

theangriestbird,
@theangriestbird@beehaw.org avatar

Ubisoft is a weird beast. They keep putting out the same slop time after time and people keep buying it up. I think Ubi is just really good at production quality and marketing, and this is apparently good enough to garner sales over and over again. It’s like…they have talented devs, but they don’t let them cook. They have a very “top-down” approach to design to encourage consistency in their catalog, but it seems like it’s also what has caused them to stagnate.

On the one hand, I appreciate that they are fighting this fight and trying to put a kibosh on the next gen of gamergaters. On the other hand, I kind of don’t care so long as every game they put out is all flash and no substance.

einkorn,
@einkorn@feddit.org avatar

The fights are like playing Guitar Hero blindfolded

I won the final boss battle in AC 1 without visuals because the cracked version I played glitched out. 🤷‍♂️

djsoren19,

Yeah none of those reasons were why people hated Shadows though. It was entirely racists. They aren’t gonna make any more improvements to their formula because Ubisoft doesn’t innovate, they’ll just wait for someone else to add an interesting twist to the open world formula and then steal that.

cerebralhawks,

Oh yeah, I heard people didn’t like the idea of a Black guy in the Japanese AC game. Is that the one Shadows was? So yeah, that person may not have existed in history. Then again, neither did Robin Hood. Stories don’t need to be based in fact, and as much as the original Assassin’s Creed was all about historical accuracy, the whole Animus thing placed the game entirely within the realm of fiction and fantasy, which tells me any artistic liberties they take with the history you dive into is A-OK in my book! So I don’t care if that guy existed IRL or not. I was intrigued by the idea of a Japanese AC game… but put off by the developer.

And racists are idiots, just, full stop on that count.

djsoren19,

he also 100% existed lol. Yasuke has tons of historical records about him because he didn’t exist in like ancient Japan, he was the bodyguard of Oda Nobunaga during the Sengoku era. like you said, racists are just idiots and can’t stand actual history that goes against their stupidity.

slaacaa, do games w Square Enix says it wants generative AI to be doing 70% of its QA and debugging by the end of 2027
iAmTheTot, do games w Square Enix says it wants generative AI to be doing 70% of its QA and debugging by the end of 2027

Grrroooossss, noooo I liked you Square Enix in spite of everything else.

ordnance_qf_17_pounder, do gaming w ‘We had to stop focusing on those who hated us’: Ubisoft says it won the battle against Assassin’s Creed Shadows backlash [VGC]

If you hate Ubisoft because they put a black person in their game, and not because they are greedy bastards who make utterly vapid slop, then you are an idiot.

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