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Protoknuckles, do games w Nearly 5 years in, PS5 sales remain neck-and-neck with PS4 | VGC

This generation lacked must play games or technological breakthroughs. It was just kinda… there?

Oneser,

System based exclusives meaning you might not be able to play a game you want to in the future, expensive subscriptiona needed to play online, push to digital DRM controlled games… it’s almost like consoles killed themselves?

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

Well the alternative is PC gaming, and building a competitive PC aint cheap. I remember on launch people were building computers with similar performance to the xbone/ps4. But now that entry level dGPUs aren’t a thing, and even mid range GPUs are expensive you get fucked either way.

The PS5 is at least powerful on launch. The 4 was on par with like a regular APU.

ampersandrew,
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I think more and more people have done the math on what your break-even is with a PC up front compared to noncompetitive digital console storefronts, needless forced obsolescence, and subscription fees.

sparky1337,

It used to be easy to build a PC that was double the performance of a console for the same price. And it was even easier if you sourced slightly used current hardware. Now you’re lucky to get last gen hardware for a decent price used. The market is garbage.

Back in 2014 you could get brand new motherboards for ~$50, where it’s difficult to find any under $150 that provide decent features. I think the most expensive thing at the time was NAND due to flooded factories but everything else was super cheap.

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  • Carnelian,

    A certified refurbished ps5 can be had right at this moment for $399, $450 new. I game on PC for many other reasons but the performance for value is pretty amazing on the ps5

    Eheran,

    You can also buy a used PC or laptop or CPU/GPU/…, buying them new when you want good performance for value is nonsense.

    Carnelian,

    Certainly, but we’d then have to compare with the used ps5 market, which dips well below $300.

    Can a used pc or a build with used components be had with comparable performance to ps5? Even with a much larger budget of say, $800?

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  • Carnelian,

    Why not? Like I said the certified refurbished directly from Sony is $399. Plenty of listings up right now for $285-330

    But even if we compare new consoles to used PCs I think the conclusion is the same

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  • Carnelian,

    And “well below” $300 is not $285-$330

    You’re equivocating. In that instance I am responding directly to your claim that it’s far fetched to find a used one around the $300 point.

    You’ll notice when you quoted me you also excluded the word “dips”. It’s dishonest for you frame my position as misrepresentative of the market by presenting my numbers without the couching I presented them with.

    And why do you want to quibble over $50 when it doesn’t affect the discussion at all? Let’s just work with the higher prices, or even the brand new prices for that matter

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  • Carnelian,

    But ultimately none of this is that high stakes

    Been saying that for four comments now lol

    Yes consoles are often the more economical choice

    This right here is the main idea, yeah, even when looking at the used market for PC components. Glad we found our way back, and even ended up in complete agreement at the end

    As for the help you requested sifting through listings, used and refurbished are different things, you should know. Refurbished direct from Sony is $400, looks like gamestop will do it for $370. This sets a hard cap on used prices, so you’ll notice all the used listings (that actually sell) are below that.

    You should also know they have websites for you to track what actually sells, and not just the listings that are left standing for a while because the price is mediocre. Worth checking that out so you know where to watch, and have a good chance of getting a good price when it appears. Best of luck to you

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  • Carnelian,

    I’m not sure why you’re so resistant to it but I’ll just move on.

    Oh, sorry yeah I can clear that up.

    The reason I don’t feel like dancing for you is because you’re dishonest, aggressively self righteous, and obviously just want to fight about something meaningless for no reason.

    Spend the extra forty bucks for something official if you don’t trust used, and don’t start dumb semantic arguments with people if you’re gonna want their help after. Not that I think you really do, mind. Just pointing out how ridiculous that whole pretense is.

    Anyway, yeah. Probably is best if you moved along

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  • Carnelian,

    Oh I seem to think you’re a dishonest, instigating time waster, huh? What makes it seem that way, the part where I directly accused you of it?

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  • Carnelian,

    Same, yeah I mean once you’re established the actual cost of games on steam is ludicrously small depending on your habits. I’m pretty much locked-in to pc gaming simply for the love of indie titles that more often than not do not get published to consoles. Lots of those games are just straight up free

    We also have to consider the value the computer itself serves beyond just gaming. If you’re gonna get a $500 ps5 and you’re already going for an $800-$1200 computer, well hey. You could really get the best of both worlds without affecting the budget. Probably could even save money

    But I think there’s also a big group that isn’t in that situation. I know plenty of people who rock like a chromebook and the cheapest xbox. Or people who only play like NBA 2k or something. Or people who play 1-2 big titles a year when they get caught in the hype train, and can enjoy them at 4k60fps for the much lower upfront cost

    VirgilMastercard,

    Personal anecdote. My PC cost me £900 in 2017. I haven’t upgraded it since. I have saved a significant amount of money in that time that would otherwise have been spent on PlayStation Plus for the benefit of playing multiplayer and the general higher price of games.

    Even if you accept the argument that consoles are significantly cheaper in the first place, the point that PC ownership saves money in the long run is often overlooked.

    I’ve never owned as many games for as little cost as I do now.

    ampersandrew,
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    And the games that really demand the high-end hardware tend to be pretty rare in the grand scheme of things, not to mention less likely to be as good as the low spec games. I always joke with my friends that I might buy a killer new PC in the next year or so, but my most-played game will still be a 2D game from 2012 that absolutely doesn’t need it.

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  • ampersandrew,
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    Why are people going for Bazzite for desktops? I’ve got it on a mini PC, and it’s great for the living room and travel, but even then the updater still keeps trying to apply an update from April 28th over and over again. Is it a good choice for desktop too? I’m on Kubuntu now but will probably shop around for a new distro with my next PC.

    PunkiBas,

    It just works, so that’s why I use it.

    I’ve been using it on a desktop for more than a year now.

    Never experienced that bug you mention but once the power went out during an update and it didn’t want to boot, so I just chose the second option at boot and it’s never failed again. Maybe something strange happened in your case, you should try it again.

    frezik,

    If you’re not too stuck on modern AAA titles, PC gaming is cheap. Possibly the cost of the electricity coming out of the wall.

    Damage,

    Building a PC that can compete with current console IS cheap

    endeavor,

    Entry can exceed the cost of the console but if you upgrade your existing one, especially using used gpus it is dirt cheap.

    Now factor in:

    • pc games online stores are cheaper, there are more opportunities for good deals. Usually 5-10 eur off a game.
    • you are not an idiot who pays for the internet twice, 80 eur a year. -pc game stores have better deals as console ones usually refuse to let the price down for a looong time since they have no competition
    • you are sonys bitch by owning a ps5 and you are not elegible for any refunds. Saving you tons of money since every pc game store lets you refund for any reason within a time window.

    and even a pc double the cost of a ps5 will be cheaper very quickly.

    endeavor,

    Mini pcs are a thing and they get better every year.

    SolidShake,

    I haven’t payed to play online in years. Like mid PS4 life. Online only games don’t require a subscription.

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  • LiveLM,

    Man, imagine if the PS6 launches and it’s just PS4 & 5 ports and “”“upgrades”“” all over again

    match,
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    Switch ate them all while being 2 generations behind

    ICastFist,
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    After Nintendo saw how much the Wii succeeded while effectively being a gamecube with motion controls and a DVD drive vs. two “top tier titans”, they never bothered again with being at the forefront of tech, which possibly felt like a homecoming, considering the Famicom was kinda underpowered at release, but cheap to produce.

    endeavor,

    Its not ps5, its ps4 pro pro. They’re the same console and Im tired of pretending otherwise.

    ThunderComplex,

    This implies the PS5 pro is the PS4 pro pro pro

    DragonTypeWyvern,

    This is going to piss off some people, but I knew this generation was in trouble when HellDivers became big.

    That game isn’t hot garbage, per se, but the fact that it got the success it did is a pretty damning indictment of the state of multiplayer shooters.

    SkunkWorkz, do games w Intergalactic actor reveals Neil Druckmann’s coaching on overcoming online harassment

    Capital G Gamers™ are the scourge of the earth.

    AntiBullyRanger, do games w FF7 Remake director ‘can’t share’ why Sephiroth looks different in new trading card, sparking Part 3 speculation

    It’s the nipples.

    Also, I’m extremely thankful Sephiroth wasn’t trans🏳️‍⚧️ in the final draft. It would have set the queer thesis in the wrong direction.

    savvywolf, do gaming w Nintendo posts video showing Switch 2 mouse controls working on the Home screen [VGC]
    @savvywolf@pawb.social avatar

    Maybe this is me just being jaded after Nintendo’s fall from grace, but this is the first time I’ve seen a feature and wondered “why”?

    If mouse control is important then just let people connect a bluetooth mouse. They’re easy to get ahold of and most people can probably chuck one in their bag if they don’t already have one.

    Hell, if you feel the need, just make a “Switch Mouse” with a control stick on the side if you need to. No need to have one controller to rule them all.

    This enables unique gameplay experiences not usually possible on a standard PC mouse setup, such as the ability to use two mice to play games.

    I mean, this isn’t illegal or anything. It’s just so situational I’ve only seen it done once (World of Goo for multiplayer). Most people can’t effectively use mice with their non-dominant hand anyway.

    An example of this is in Drag X Drive, where the player uses a mouse in each hand and moves them forwards or back to mimic moving around in a wheelchair.

    Isn’t this just motion controls? The same concept could have been done with the Wii and two wiimotes. Only this time you just wear out the rubber pads on your joycon.

    The addition of HD Rumble in the controllers also means players can experience force feedback while using a mouse.

    … How does this even work given that a mouse is a precision instrument? Surely the rumble would just cause the mouse to shift around or become less accurate. I think there’s a reason nobody has tried to put rumble in a mouse.

    Overall I can see it being a nice emergency feature for if you need a mouse but don’t have one on you. But the fact that they seem to be pitching it as a flagship feature feels odd to me.

    Or maybe I’m just being grumpy and this ends up working well.

    theangriestbird,

    i think it makes sense to be skeptical. they’ve shown one game for it that seems neat but not revolutionary. I think this is just a case of “the switch 2 has to do something that the switch can’t do, besides running prettier games.”

    Euphoma,

    I’m willing to bet that most games that use mouse mode will have to use the face buttons and control stick on the mouse con. Metroid prime 4 apparently does this. So its not replacable with a standard mouse.

    I think the joy con can also sense rotation of the mouse which is used in mario party and probably never again like the ir sensor from switch 1 joycons. I guess a hypothetical 3d mario maker could let you rotate blocks with it, but that could be done in many other ways.

    Sanctus, do games w Intergalactic actor reveals Neil Druckmann’s coaching on overcoming online harassment
    @Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

    This game looks fuccen sicc. So whatever else is in store, the artists know what’s up at least. Don’t see a reason to hate on this as bald chicks are a huge part of that aesthetic. I better only see bald and half or partially shaved heads.

    HiDiddlyDoodlyHo, do gaming w Ori developer Moon Studios head warns it may have to shut down following review bombing [VGC]

    That sounds less like review bombing and more like poorly received mechanics and broken promises. Am I missing something here?

    Vodulas,

    Right? “We made a mediocre game that doesn’t deliver on the promises we made. Pls give good review now”

    That being said, I have not read the Steam reviews, but it could be that they are getting bombed, but the situation described in the article is just people not liking the game for valid reasons

    Mister_Feeny,

    I went and read a good chunk of negative steam reviews for it. And yeah, the vast majority of the negative ones are about mechanics, or performance, and seem perfectly legitimate. A lot that basically even say, "I don't recommend now but seems like it will be good once they cook for a bit."

    I did see a couple made super recently that were basically negative reviewing because of this dude's statements, but not many.
    And funny how the only reviews I could imagine being considered review bomb-y seem to only have happened because of his whining about being review bombed.

    Mostly it looks like the game's recent "The Breach" update was legitimately poorly received by the playerbase, the studio head decided, "No, it's the children who are wrong."

    Ulrich,
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    Ugh, this discussion happens every time this topic comes up. There’s nothing about the phrase “review bombing” that implies the reviews are somehow illegitimate. It just means a large number of negative reviews in a short time.

    Vodulas,

    Yes, it does imply that

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Review_bomb

    Specifically malicious intent

    Ulrich,
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    While it mentions malice in the first few words, I would argue many of their examples are not malicious, including the one given about the first known use of the phrase:

    One of the first appearances of the term “review bomb” was in a 2008 Ars Technica article by Ben Kuchera describing the effect in regards to Spore, in which users left negative reviews on Amazon citing the game’s perceived lackluster gameplay and digital rights management system.

    based on this article I’d say it has more to do with the organized nature of reviews. It even says:

    Review bombing is a similar practice to vote brigading.

    Vodulas,

    I would argue the first use was malicious and that it spawned even worse instances after. It is a known favorite tool of gamergaters and right wingers

    Ulrich,
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    Giving a game bad reviews because of “lackluster gameplay” and DRM is malicious?

    Vodulas,

    With the intent of tanking review scores so the game does not sell as well is, yes.

    Ulrich, (edited )
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    What other purpose for reviews is there than signaling to others whether or not they should buy the game?

    Do you think the negative reviews for No Rest For The Wicked don’t have the intention of making it not sell as well? And if not, why do you think players leave them?

    PunkRockSportsFan, do games w Intergalactic actor reveals Neil Druckmann’s coaching on overcoming online harassment

    I cannot wait to play that game!!!

    RobotZap10000, do games w Intergalactic actor reveals Neil Druckmann’s coaching on overcoming online harassment
    @RobotZap10000@feddit.nl avatar

    Do the chuds really want every single protagonist to be a reincarnation of Chad Thaddeus Bradley?

    BossDj,
    7112, do games w FF7 Remake director ‘can’t share’ why Sephiroth looks different in new trading card, sparking Part 3 speculation
    Oaulo,

    Maybe it’s that the card has both arms in addition to a wing instead of it replacing an arm like the original? I personally don’t think that warrants an article, but hey websites gonna click bait.

    Uruanna,

    Both arms was my first take too considering he’s specifically named the one winged angel because of the one black wing replacing his arm, but he does have a whole extra head visible behind the text, in the same way Bizarro Sephiroth had a big Sephiroth and then a tiny Sephiroth on top - the topless, black wing form sits on a cloud that sits on top of another bigger Sephiroth with white wings instead of just having 6 wings replacing his legs. And there’s still more werid shit going on behind that text that I can’t make out. With how they brought Bizarro Sephiroth in Rebirth, they could be doing the “multiple teams attacking different sections” take again.

    Oaulo,

    Good point. I didn’t see behind the text without opening a bigger image. The article mentioned it was drawn so the front and back image stacked for the full picture. When you look at it from that perspective it could also be regular sephiroth holding something up between the two of them.

    Regardless though I gotta take it with a grain of salt. Someone on the design team back before the first remake launched said to pay close attention to the game’s key art and we’d find something interesting. If I recall it was only a black feather or some other mundane feature that didn’t reveal anything spectacular even after playing the game. It was just marketing to get people talking.

    I can’t help but think this is similar. Fun stuff to think about while waiting for the game but probably won’t amount to much even when we’ve seen the final product. I’d love to be wrong though and this is actually hiding a new twist. Time will tell.

    inclementimmigrant, do games w Intergalactic actor reveals Neil Druckmann’s coaching on overcoming online harassment

    Just a big ol’ WTF is wrong with society.

    LinyosT, do gaming w Nintendo posts video showing Switch 2 mouse controls working on the Home screen [VGC]

    I can’t imagine that to be all that comfortable given how thin those controllers look.

    Seems like a bit of an ergonomic nightmare

    theangriestbird,

    tbh it seems okay except i’m not sure where the ring and pinky fingers are supposed to rest. The dual-mouse possibilities are very intriguing, but i remain cautiously optimistic. this vid didn’t change my feelings one way or the other.

    Telorand, do gaming w Nintendo posts video showing Switch 2 mouse controls working on the Home screen [VGC]

    They’re also currently working on new ways to litigate Palworld and it’s devs into oblivion, so fuck Nintendo and their anti-gamer attitude.

    Vote with your wallet.

    SilverCode,

    Ooh, a Palworld and Oblivion crossover. I can get behind that.

    Kolanaki,
    @Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

    Nintendo to Palworld’s developers: “Stop! You violated the law. Pay the court a fine or serve your sentence. Your stolen goods are now forfeit.”

    Telorand,

    I like the cut of your jib.

    Midnitte, do gaming w Nintendo posts video showing Switch 2 mouse controls working on the Home screen [VGC]

    Interesting that it seems to work so well, but not $450 interesting.

    olafurp, do games w Palworld confirms ‘disappointing’ game changes forced by Pokémon lawsuit

    So are they next going after unicorns that you capture?

    InFerNo,

    What about the birds in quackshot? That game is from the 90s.

    Surp, do games w Palworld confirms ‘disappointing’ game changes forced by Pokémon lawsuit

    Not that I matter being a single person but cya Nintendo I won’t be buying anything from you ever again honestly unless its used and from someone on facebook marketplace or the likes of.

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