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LoamImprovement, do gaming w Unity Apologizes For Runtime Fee Policy, Promises To Alter Plan This Week

I know what the implication here is but I feel like I should ‘pray they don’t alter it any further?’

Adramis, do gaming w Unity Apologizes For Runtime Fee Policy, Promises To Alter Plan This Week

Are they also going to alter their stance that Planned Parenthood and a children’s hospital aren’t charity?

manapropos,

Planned parenthood was founded to cull the black population in the US

Goronmon,
savvywolf, do gaming w Unity Apologizes For Runtime Fee Policy, Promises To Alter Plan This Week
@savvywolf@pawb.social avatar

“Oops. Sorry we got caught.”

GammaGames, do gaming w Unity Apologizes For Runtime Fee Policy, Promises To Alter Plan This Week

Still apologizing for the confusion 🥴

brihuang95, do gaming w Unity Apologizes For Runtime Fee Policy, Promises To Alter Plan This Week
@brihuang95@sopuli.xyz avatar

honestly, i’m getting tired of board members of corporations just making shitty decisions to try and squeeze more money out of their customers rather than trying to learn what about their product appeals to their customer base in the first place. notice how it’s never enough to look at revenue over the years and say, “this is enough, let’s keep this steady.”

Evergreen5970,

I’d even be fine with a bit of increase. Have to keep pace with inflation, make sure you’re making enough to keep all your workers’ wages worth the same this year as it was last year.

But they want MORE profit NOW NOW NOW at a much higher rate than needed to keep pace with inflation, and the money sure isn’t going to workers to keep their wages at pace with inflation.

They said kids who failed the marshmallow test (eat one marshmallow now or wait and get two? basically, a test of if you can do delayed gratification or not) were less likely to fail than kids who passed it. But it looks like the instant gratification MORE PROFIT NOW NOW NOW guys are winning. But only if you’re super rich.

brihuang95,
@brihuang95@sopuli.xyz avatar

and the fact that they tried to retroactively charge folks for using unity…like wtf cmon

harmonea,
@harmonea@kbin.social avatar

The fact that they even tried to pretend it wasn't retroactive because they didn't charge for old install counts. Like, does it charge games that were released under different terms? Yes? Then it's retroactive!

Kichae,

That's just the system. This is what happens when people confuse commerce with capitalism: They think that capitalism is being rewarded for doing commerce better. Instead, capitalism is about leveraging ownership of property and underpaying workers in order to get money for free.

And the thing about money is that it's really just a proxy for power. When you only have enough of it to eek out a comfortable life (or less), you don't really notice, because all of your power goes in to achieving or maintaining that acceptably good life (or hanging on for dear life trying to survive), but once your needs are comfortably and handidly met, money is entirely about being able to make other people do whatever you want. And the more money you have, the more things you can get them to do, or the more of them that you can get to do what you want.

And if you've managed to be one of the lucky ones who just get free money for owning shit, then you have the power at your fingertips to try to grow your power over others exponentially, while still doing no honest work in your days. And if you're a shitty person who gets off on all of this, that's exactly what you'll do.

The wealthy are insufferably greedy leeching assholes because one does not become wealthy without being greedy, leeching off of others, and being an insufferable asshole.

greenskye,

Companies aren’t run to earn profit based on goods and services generated anymore. They are investment vehicles for wealthy VC to use and abuse until they run them into the ground while they jump to the next disposable company. Someday this will result in no effective company existing anymore, but the investors don’t care.

If governments were actually functioning they’d recognize this danger and crack down on this behavior because it weakens the country as a whole, but most of the politicians are already bought and paid for.

argo_yamato, do gaming w Unity Apologizes For Runtime Fee Policy, Promises To Alter Plan This Week

Not quite sure why they would think there was any confusion. People read the new terms, saw they were a complete and utter cash grab and then spoke up about it. I have no idea how anyone that has the means to switch to another engine isn’t doing that right now. Whatever Unity says next will not be trusted.

lowleveldata, do gaming w Unity Apologizes For Runtime Fee Policy, Promises To Alter Plan This Week

That’s not how reputation work

Fiivemacs, do gaming w Unity Apologizes For Runtime Fee Policy, Promises To Alter Plan This Week

All developers should continue to move to other platforms. Do not trust anything unity says.

Moonrise2473,

exactly, this is a non-apology. It’s just the social media manager who come back to work after the weekend and is trying to mitigate the situation.

There’s a chance that they will come out and say “ok we listened to the community, we don’t want the 20 cents per install anymore, we want 15 cents”

BTW if they really have a tech that can distinguish pirated installs with a 100% success rate are and not just lying “trust our numbers, they’re correct”, they should monetize that, developers are paying much more for Denuvo.

stormesp, (edited ) do games w 6 MILLION PLAYERS have explored Ghostwire Tokyo's spooky streets

Wish more people gave the game a try, its great

all-knight-party,
@all-knight-party@kbin.cafe avatar

What is it? I've heard the name around but have no idea what the premise or appeal is.

stormesp,

Its an open world first person shooter but with magic instead of guns, it happens in a Shibuya where all the humans have banished and the city is taken over by spirits/yokai both good and bad and the protagonist has to find its sister while posessed by a spirit that has his own goals but at the same time is what gives him powers, all around the story is simple but decent but the open world and lore is where it shines, a lot of missions where you get to know classic japanese folklore and help spirits trapped in this world for a reason or another. All around i enjoyed my time with it and the “gunplay” is pretty decent after the free dlc that they added when the game was released on gamepass which added a side ability to all three different guns/powers.

all-knight-party,
@all-knight-party@kbin.cafe avatar

Oh shit, that actually sounds pretty cool, I was expecting some straight forward RPG by the name of it, I'll definitely check it out. Thank you

stormesp,

No problem! It didnt get the best reception when it was released as it was a sony exclusive that didnt get much marketing at first, but its a nice experience all around and if you decide to go for the story it doesnt overstay its welcome and if you have gamepass you can play it there as i did, so glad i made it interesting for you!

all-knight-party,
@all-knight-party@kbin.cafe avatar

I had just never heard anyone speak about it, the premise and Japanese mythology already interest me, and it's developed by Tango, the studio ran by Shinji Mikami, so I'm definitely interested to check it out (though I know he's not directly involved, it lends a pedigree to their studio, to me.)

ninjan, do games w Gamepass has 30 million members

That is a pretty substantial subscription base, no wonder it’s profitable even if it at times feels like a really good deal. Like now when Starfield launched on Game Pass.

lustrum, (edited )

Yeah the maths starts to add up. (There are some assumptions below, but you get the jist).

  • The Xbox One had a software attach rate of 7 gamers per console^1 sold or on average that’s 1 game per year per user for the life of the console.
  • In the Xbox One generation over 8 years they sold 0.875 games per user per year. Assume £50 a game. That’s £43 per xbox console owner per year.
  • Per gamepass subscriber they’re currently recieving £90+ in subscriptions per year.
muddybulldog,

There is a significant number of GP subscribers that don’t pay nearly that much, if anything at all.

I passively accumulate enough MS Rewards points each year to not have to pay for GPU just by using Bing for search.

lustrum,

Right but even if you half the number it’s still only on par with last generation with significantly more room to grow and predictable income.

Xanvial,

Isn’t gamepass subscribers count already stagnated? It was 25m in January 2022, statista.com/…/xbox-game-pass-subscriber-count-gl….

robbieIRL,

I like that you said “significant number” and your example was one person, you.

inasaba, do games w Darkest Dungeon Developers: statement on the recent Unity changes

All of this reminds me so much of the OGL fiasco in the TTRPG world a few months ago.

Decoy321, do games w Darkest Dungeon Developers: statement on the recent Unity changes

So ruin has come to their family?

Early_To_Risa,

In time, you will know the tragic extent of their failings.

corrupts_absolutely, (edited )

you remember our venerable engine opulent and imperial

Early_To_Risa, do games w Darkest Dungeon Developers: statement on the recent Unity changes
Decoy321,

10 stress damage right there

bionicjoey,

Unity, remind yourselves that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer

Paranomaly, do games w Darkest Dungeon Developers: statement on the recent Unity changes
@Paranomaly@sh.itjust.works avatar

Transcript:

Much like Darkest Dungeon, game development is a dynamic and challenging effort where tough choices must be made using imperfect information. Making and releasing a game is an uncertain endeavor, with treasures never guaranteed. But that uncertainty should lie in the marketplace, not with fundamental business terms around which a project was built.

We believe Unity has made a grave misstep in introducing a poorly thought out fee mechanic and then compounded that threefold by making it apply to games that have already been released. We are sympathetic to the idea that companies must sometimes change how they operate, but these changes should be carefully planned, communicated, and enacted in such a way that partners may choose whether they wish to accept these new rules for their next projects.

We built Darkest Dungeon II using Unity, and a large part of our decision to do so was the relative cost certainty around the license and subscription model. We’ve spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on licenses, and far more than that in engaging Unity to help us with parts of development. It is hard for us to imagine building another game with Unity unless we know we are protected from the possibility of massive changes to how we pay for that technology being introduced at the whims of executive management.

Part of game development is knowing when a mechanic is not working and then having the courage to swallow your ego and undo the mistake. We call on Unity to recant this blunder.

theodewere,
@theodewere@kbin.social avatar

i like "recant this blunder", smooth but blunt..

CaptObvious, do games w Darkest Dungeon Developers: statement on the recent Unity changes

Sadly it’s in .25 pt type on mobile and won’t expand. :(

Early_To_Risa, (edited )

We at Red Hook know something about madness… Much like Darkest Dungeon, game development is a dynamic and challenging effort where tough choices must be made using imperfect information. Making and releasing a game is an uncertain endeavor, with treasures never guaranteed. But that uncertainty should lie in the marketplace, not with fundamental business terms around which a project was built. We believe Unity has made a grave misstep in introducing a poorly thought out fee mechanic and then compounded that threefold by making it apply to games that have already been released. We are sympathetic to the idea that companies must sometimes change how they operate, but these changes should be carefully planned, communicated, and enacted in such a way that partners may choose whether they wish to accept these new rules for their next projects. We built Darkest Dungeon using Unity, and a large part ofour decision to do so was the relative cost certainty around the license and subscription model. We’ve spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on licenses, and far more than that in engaging Unity to help us with parts of deve lopment. It is hard for us to imagine building another game with Unity unless we know we are protected from the possibility of massive changes to how we pay for that technology being introduced at the whims of executive management. Part of game development is knowing when a mechanic is not working and then having the courage to swallowyour ego and undo the mistake. We call on Unity to recant this blunder.

(used Google’s text detection to copy/paste, so may not be perfect)

CaptObvious,

Thanks for this. It’s really interesting to read developers respond. And to watch Unity squirm.

SameOldJorts, (edited )

We at Red Hook know something about madness… Much like Darkest Dungeon, game development is a dynamic and challenging effort where tough choices must be made using imperfect information. Making and releasing a game is an uncertain endeavor, with treasures never guaranteed. But that uncertainty should lie in the marketplace, not with fundamental business terms around which a project was built. We believe Unity has made a grave misstep in introducing a poorly thought out fee mechanic and then compounded that threefold by making it apply to games that have already been released We are sympathetic to the idea that companies must sometimes change how they operate, but these changes should be carefully planned, communicated, and enacted in such a way that partners may choose whether they wish to accept these new rules for their next projects. We built Darkest Dungeon I using Unity, and a large part of our decision to do so was the relative cost certainty around the license and subscription model. We’ve spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on licenses, and far more than that in engaging Unity to help us with parts of development. It is hard for us to imagine building another game with Unity unless we know we are protected from the possibility of massive changes to how we pay for that technology being introduced at the whims of executive management. Part of game development is knowing when a mechanic is not working and then having the courage to swallow your ego and undo the mistake. We call on Unity to recant this blunder. Red Hook

ETA: Ah, shit sorry I didn’t see someone else had already posted

CaptObvious,

Thanks for this. It’s really interesting to read developers respond. And to watch Unity squirm.

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