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capt_wolf, do games w Unity Claims PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo Will Pay Its New Runtime Fee On Behalf Of Devs
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Lolman228, do games w Unity Claims PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo Will Pay Its New Runtime Fee On Behalf Of Devs

Nintendo is gonna lawyer up at the speed of God before they'd pay unity a fucking cent.

send_me_your_ink,

I’m sorry, but I’d be more terrified of Microsoft. A company worth more than nations, (current market cap puts it about the 10th richest country in the world), and who routinely tells other companies to pony up - and they do (look up a software audit if you want to see a corporate shakedown).

spiritedpause,

Sorry to nitpick, but I see the comparison of a company market cap with country GDP a lot and it’s a pet peeve of mine lol. Market cap is the value of the company, while GDP is equivalent to the total “revenue” that a country’s economy generated that year. So a better comparison would be 2022 Microsoft revenue vs 2022 GDP of a country.

Buddahriffic,

Market cap isn’t even really the value of a company. It’s just the last trade price times the number of shares. If someone wanted to buy it, the price would be higher. If someone wanted to sell it, the price would be lower.

send_me_your_ink,

And gdp is one of the worst ways to measure the economy of the country.

You don’t need to be sorry. I guess I should rephrase my original statement to say Microsoft could buy unity, and the shareholders might not even notice in the quarterly earnings call.

pory,
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Unity would like that though.

canihasaccount,

Nintendo looooves to sue people over so many things though

ArchmageAzor,
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You’re assuming Nintendo ever lawyers down

ArugulaZ, do games w Unity Claims PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo Will Pay Its New Runtime Fee On Behalf Of Devs
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No they won't! There's no way any of the big console manufacturers will ever agree to those terms, ESPECIALLY Nintendo. Microsoft would just buy Unity out before paying that ransom. You be smokin' some bigtime crack, Riccitello.

lester,

Microsoft would just buy Unity out before paying that ransom

Maybe that’s the plan lol

maynarkh,

TBH that would explain the decision. Pump up the projected revenue numbers right before an acquisition and exit.

Buddahriffic,

I think they even played that plan wrong. All MS has to do is announce that unity games won’t be allowed on game pass anymore and the value of unity will drop. It’s probably already in freefall with few new games from this point onwards targeting it.

trustnoone, do games w Unity Claims PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo Will Pay Its New Runtime Fee On Behalf Of Devs

Lol at this point I wonder if it’s easier for Microsoft to just buy Unity like their other studios they’ve been buying. Then they get free installs and charge out to Nintendo/PlayStation.

Tronn4, do games w Unity Claims PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo Will Pay Its New Runtime Fee On Behalf Of Devs

Somehow this cost will be pushed to us gamers

4am,

It may cost more than money, if the games can’t be converted to a new engine…

Hiccup,

Not sure about costs in this shitty ass economy but there’s going to be delays up the wazoo now.

stopthatgirl7, do games w Unity Claims PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo Will Pay Its New Runtime Fee On Behalf Of Devs
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You can just see the panic coming out of Unity.

They thought they’d be able to slip this change through and people would just pay it. They were expecting a big payday, not a storm of bad press and angry people.

Uranium3006,
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Also now Deva are gonna be skeptical of proprietary game engines. It's too big of a risk to develop on anything proprietary now that this is on the table as a thing that could happen. Change won't ahppen overnight but expect FOSS game engines to start getting big

dual_sport_dork,
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Or back to it was in ye olden days where every studio has its own proprietary game engine.

Gork,

I still find it amazing that Starfield is not on the same foundations as Morrowind, a full two decades earlier.

Thrickles, do games w Unity Claims PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo Will Pay Its New Runtime Fee On Behalf Of Devs

Waiting to see if Unity games will get yanked from those platforms.

spriteblood,

I would assume their console export options are due to some kind of agreement with console manufacturers, as they keep their dev agreements under heavy NDAs. I wonder how this will play out.

magnetosphere,
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if how fast

Hiccup,

They already are. They’re being yanked all over.

Granixo, (edited ) do games w Unity Claims PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo Will Pay Its New Runtime Fee On Behalf Of Devs
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Charging Playstation: They have been quite naughty ever since they released the PS4 (and not in the good way), so a few millions in cash is kinda like karma to them.

Charging Xbox: Game Pass, Backwards Compatibility, Series S, allowing you to legally install emulators in their consoles… If there’s a gaming giant that’s pro-consumer, it’s them (second only to Steam, obviously), they don’t deserve it.

Charging Nintendo: TAKE IT ALL

stopthatgirl7,
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Really bad policies that will set even worse precedents are not a punitive measure against companies you don’t like.

BolexForSoup,
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I love gamepass/Xbox’s BC commitment but I’m not going to call Microsoft “pro-consumer” lol

Granixo,
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Oh not Microsoft as a whole oooohhh no.

But their Xbox division is pretty cool 😎👍

BolexForSoup,
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Meh I like Phil Spencer but Xbox has made questionable calls too

MxM111,

Do you still have to pay monthly fee on XBox to play any online game?

BolexForSoup, (edited )
@BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

Every console requires an online subscription to play MP aside from a handful of games such as apex legends, fortnite, and rocket league. Not just an Xbox thing.

MxM111,

Thank you for answering. But you can’t imaging how wild it sounds from pc gamer point of view, and double wild that this is called pro-consumer.

BolexForSoup,
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The one defense I'll give it is that when Nintendo's was free it was absolutely pitiful/unusable. Really you couldn't do any meaningful online MP on nintendo consoles until the switch. I don't like paying for it but clearly it's the only way resources get dedicated to it.

The other consideration - though not really a defense because it's not necessary - is that with Xbox for $60/yr I don't just get the online component, but 3 free games/mo. Most are garbage but I always end up with 4 or 5 games a year that I wouldn't have otherwise played (How I discovered XCOM!) that I really enjoy OR I get super lucky and some game I wanted to buy but haven't ponied up for drops (I got AC: Black Flag for instance one time). It's a hell of a value add at least!

NuPNuA,

I’d call it, sucking up to the player base to regain market space lost during the last generation. I’m not too proud to take advantage of their desperation.

kaitco, do games w Unity Claims PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo Will Pay Its New Runtime Fee On Behalf Of Devs

The fact that these decisions are coming down from the ex-CEO of EA Games, who was the CEO when EA was voted “Worst Company in the World”, just makes all this even more entertaining to watch.

GamePass and probably most cheap sales are all going up in flames because Unity has hired a demon to lead them into oblivion.

reflex,
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The fact that these decisions are coming down from the ex-CEO of EA Games . . . .

This guy speedrunning the enshittification game. Oceangate needs to build another sub, stat.

ArugulaZ,
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Microsoft learned never to leave an EA exec at the wheel ten years earlier, with the disastrous launch of the Xbox One. You know, the all seeing, all knowing, all credit card charging privacy invader with its hooks permanently sunk into the internet, and a camera you couldn't cover, like it was some motherfucking episode of Max Headroom. Allow me to say, "Fuck you, Don Mattrick, and the DRM and surveillance-laden horse you rode in on."

CaptObvious, do games w Unity Claims PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo Will Pay Its New Runtime Fee On Behalf Of Devs

Mares eat oats and does eat oats.

Ya gotta love when a corp realizes they’ve stepped in it and starts trying to create an escape route. I’m more than a little surprised that Unity’s board of directors haven’t taken the CEO’s head on a platter yet.

radix, do games w Unity Claims PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo Will Pay Its New Runtime Fee On Behalf Of Devs
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Right. Here’s how it works: Your game is on Gamepass, and a user installs it. Now instead of Microsoft paying you $0.15, then you paying Unity $0.10, Microsoft will just pay us directly the $0.10, and you still get your $0.05! See, it’s a great deal! Everybody gets their money and you don’t even have to deal with the Unity costs! Please, don’t go!!

hahattpro,

Good business model. I hope Gamepass wil also limit number of game user can install, like, pick only 4 in 100 or so

VelociCatTurd, do games w Unity Claims PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo Will Pay Its New Runtime Fee On Behalf Of Devs

By the definition of “distributor” this would include Steam, GOG, Epic, etc. as well.

colonial,
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In before one of them starts stripping or firewalling the phone-home code. What’s Unity gonna do? Valve hasn’t signed any contracts with them!

TotesIllegit,

This sounds like it would mean charging Valve money for the privilege of using Valve’s own infrastructure every time a player installed a Unity game after a major PC upgrade/reinstall or after uninstalling that MMO they dumped every other game in their library try out.

Steam could probably bake a ban on software that uses installation trackers into their developer/publisher ToS, or ban the collection or transmission of Steam user data related to installations, or something similar.

Hiccup,

I don’t want another attack vector for some hacker on my computer. That phone home code will be the second coming of the Sony rootkit.

4am,

Apple has Unity games in Apple Arcade I’m sure; which is like “iCloud GamePass”. So add another behemoth with almost more lawyers than money.

VelociCatTurd,

Lmao, Unity is not going to get away with this.

KingThrillgore,
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Apple also brought Unity onboard for Vision Pro development. They are absolutely going to roll over Unity.

scala, (edited ) do games w Unity Claims PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo Will Pay Its New Runtime Fee On Behalf Of Devs

Will they tho?

It’s unclear if Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo are aware of this particular change in policy, and whether they’d be willing to comply with Unity Technologies.

MossyFeathers,

If they aren’t already paying royalties to Unity on behalf of the devs, then I can almost guarantee they won’t be paying royalties in the future. If they are doing that, then the devs might want to double check their revenue, because that may mean that Unity’s been double-dipping on royalties (taking royalties from distribution through Sony, MS and Nintendo, and then taking them again directly from the devs).

Endorkend,
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Going into a legal dick measuring match with 3 of the most hardcore litigious corps in the tech world.

Sounds smart.

GreenMario,
stopthatgirl7,
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It’s like when CDPR said everyone could get refunds for CP2077 without talking to the stores first, then were shocked when Sony removed it from the PlayStation Store.

loobkoob, (edited )

Yep, although at least that was a pro-consumer move on CDPR's part. It's very understandable why Sony wasn't happy about it, but it wasn't a shady move on CDPR's part. Whereas the same definitely can't be said for Unity right now.

stopthatgirl7, (edited )
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It’s more, you gotta let your partners know before you announce something major. The reason Sony had to pull it was because they only allow refunds after a certain point on defective games, and they can’t sell a game they know is defective. So the only way they could do blanket refunds is if the game is labeled defective, which means they can’t sell it. Giving Sony a bit of a heads up might’ve meant they could have changed their policy, which would have been better long run for consumers.

loobkoob,

Oh absolutely, I agree! I just wanted to point out that CDPR's move was at least well-intentioned so it's harder to judge them poorly for it. But you're right that communication is important in these situations.

NuPNuA,

Technically, CDPR being based in Europe were just informing people of their stuatory right to a refund within the first 14 days of any digital or online purchase. This highlighted that Sony have been managing to skirt that legislation with their policy’s and not having a proper refund system in place so they threw a wobbler and took the game down. CDPR were in the right, legally speaking, with that one.

SatanicNotMessianic,

He could be the kind of person who writes things down on his vision board, then sends his thoughts out into the universe to make them come true. Like Elon.

lustyargonian, do xbox w Microsoft Is Interested In Bringing Trophy-Like Platinum Xbox Achievements

If they can separate main game/dlc/multiplayer/new game+ achievements, that would be great

Renacles, do xbox w Microsoft Is Interested In Bringing Trophy-Like Platinum Xbox Achievements

I’ve always found it weird that Xbox and Steam have nothing for completing a game.

Willie,

Steam kind of does, I mean, if you have the achievement showcase on your profile, it'll totally say how many games you've gotten all the achievements for. That's about it though. Steam doesn't seem to care all that much about achievements.

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