Looks genuinely fun but omfg 2d platformer with 1060 and 12gb ram as low specs? Five years from now I wouldn’t be able to play a modern three-in-a-row browser game it seems.
2D in gameplay, but it’s a 3D game. Also, the 1060 is almost 10 years old. But most importantly, it’s still a WIP. Optimisation for lower end PCs will probably happen last.
To make it clear, I’m not barking at that dev, but at the industry that gets pushed further and further in reqs without any visible upsides.
Optimisation for lower end PCs will probably happen last.
10xx is still not a lower-end PC. Most modern PCs in the world don’t have discrete graphics card and instead use integrated Intel/AMD solutions. Buying a PC or a laptop with a discrete one is 30% addition to an already bloated price tag, so unless you know you need one you can skip it. And, unsurprisingly so, 10xx show themselves still capable, although lacking raytracing stuff.
2D in gameplay, but it’s a 3D game
No, it isn’t. The gameplay is tied to two dimensions and it lets devs leave out everything but a thin line of scenery that serves the 2d perspective.
1060 is almost 10 years old
And Sunset Overdrive is 11 yo, yep, and it’s a full 3d game with similar gfxs where you can actually navigate these three dimensions hopping through it’s map. Most of the game happens from a zoomed out pov, so there’s probably even less need for computational power and caching if they downsized textures for these scenes acorrdingly.
There is still no reason to exceed these demands, unless you go all into raytracing, VR or 4k high fps range. The most probable blunders are UE5 and lack of optimization. For a game that doesn’t call itself as a groundbreaking AAA expirience, these reqs feel misplaced.
1060 is certainly low end, which is the card you mentioned. 1080 (ti) might still be considered higher end, but the 1060 has been called low end years ago.
No, it isn’t. The gameplay is tied to two dimensions and it lets devs leave out everything but a thin line of scenery that serves the 2d perspective.
What? That doesn’t make the models of the character and scenery any less 3D. Are we looking at the same game?
And Sunset Overdrive is 11 yo, yep, and it’s a full 3d game with similar gfxs where you can actually navigate these three dimensions hopping through it’s map.
I don’t get what you’re trying to say. Yes, an 11 year old game performs fine on 10 year old hardware. What does this have to do with an unreleased, unoptimised, modern game?
1060 is certainly low end, which is the card you mentioned. 1080 (ti) might still be considered higher end, but the 1060 has been called low end years ago.
Nvidia had a lot of cards this generation, and 1060 in 6gb variant is not as bad as you think. It’s two generations behind, because 20xx were sometimes even worse, and 50xx-40xx changes weren’t that significant as 10xx-30xx were. 10xxs won’t produce top gfxs in the recent games, but most time it’s not them being outdated, but devs fucking it up. And you casually ignored that most PCs have something like an Intel Integrates 13100 instead that barely rebders Dota.
What? That doesn’t make the models of the character and scenery any less 3D. Are we looking at the same game?
I suggest you to watch one video on original Resident Evil and how it was designed. Devs managed to do hd gfxs because they could prerender some bits, and others only existed in a POV of the player. With most of the gameplay focused on one side-scrolling perspectieve, devs limited things they need to render (like the world behind you doesn’t exist), and could’ve cut the resources required. I don’t know if they did so, but 12gb ram and 1060 are still ubreasonable.
don’t get what you’re trying to say. Yes, an 11 year old game performs fine on 10 year old hardware. What does this have to do with an unreleased, unoptimised, modern game?
Skipping over beta condition this game is in, I want this game to provide anything of value for resources consumed. I proposed an old game that does all of that in 3d, and I’m wondering why a 2d game can’t do the same.
Much more relevant are the last two numbers in nvidia classification. A 2060 is miles behind a 1080. The first 2 numbers just represent the generation, not how “strong” it is. 1060 was always an entry level gpu, and is outclassed by even modern integrated graphics. Not to say hardware requirements aren’t insane recently, but that’s partly due to un-optimized engine requirements that take an insane amount of work to tune, which just isn’t realistic for an indie/less experienced team. As well as wild timeline expectations from investors/publishers to release products way before they’re ready so they can make money, leaving little time to polish.
Source: game developer in AA listening to how shit I am for not making game go faster.
Much more relevant are the last two numbers in nvidia classification. A 2060 is miles behind a 1080. The first 2 numbers just represent the generation, not how “strong” it is.
I know what these numbers are. I thought it’s obvious from my comments.
1060 was always an entry level gpu, and is outclassed by even modern integrated graphics.
1050 was an entry level garbage of this generation, going as low as 3GB of VRAM, while 1060 got 4-6GBs. The latter is not in the best position now, after 3060 dropped, and affordable VRAM got into 10GB+ territory, but it’s still capable of enduring tasks on it’s budget. 4060 and 5060 didn’t brought as much to the table as 10xx-30xx jump did after failed 20xx imho.
Since new vcards are still trapped in an overprice bubble, used 1060s are still nice, especially coupled together. And I doubt that this discrete card is worse than integrated graphics of, say, 13gen i5 Intel, that is, by defenition, uses a part of availiable RAM rather than having it’s own soldered-in VRAM of the next gen, and also steals computational power from the CPU, that is rarely a bottleneck but cpu-heavy tasks still happen. In games, it’s titles like Vermintide 2 that exhaust mid-range machines by calculating horde logic.
Source: I do live VJing and occasional v-render on client’s hardware, ranging from sexy 5080 speeds to vcardless trash setups, and just a couple of days ago I was forced to use a 730 vcard that could hardly handle OBS and projecting software at the same time.
So the whole premise you’re basing this on is false. And don’t compare a 30y old PS1 game to modern gaming lol. I get you’re nostalgic but the industry has changed.
My single 996 MEGAhertz processor, 512mb ram, 128mb vram setup could just about run Battlefield 2, Counter Strike Source, and Splinter Cell Chaos Theory. These games often had higher minimum requirements but I managed.
Balatro, a modern card game, starts off with minimum requirements of two 3 GIGAhertz cores and a gigabyte of ram.
Comparing AAA Valve with an indie dev isn’t fair but it’s objectively true that relatively simple concepts now require substantially more resources. That’s like several Battlefield 1942 instances to 1 Balatro instance.
I am not a fan of platformers and puzzles, in general, and am not too interested in this concept specifically. But I may end up buying it out of spite for hateful people. I also suggest taking a peek at their previous game Semblance which, although also a platformer, looks genuinely sort of novel to me (granted, as I said, I am not a fan of platformers in general so maybe it is in fact not unique at all). Feel free to take my thoughts with a large grain of salt, this is not really my area of expertise.
I think the devs are making a mistake by reacting interacting the trolls.
They are people frothing at the mouth and sent on that steam page with a political agenda. It seems the devs think they will “change their minds” after they brought the topic of slavery for no reason…
So I will add this to my wishlist check if I can report the posts that are straight up insults or racists and move on.
The trolls in question can’t stand that this game might be successful and there is nothing they can do beside review bombing at release which should trigger Steam’s detection.
Don’t feed the trolls and entertain them with a discussion…
Maybe the devs are acutely aware of the Streisand Effect and using the trolls to boost marketing.
There are numerous examples of boosts in sales when fascists try to villify something. I imagine Kimmel’s viewership has increased even factoring in the markets he’s pulled from.
Nothing generates mass support like Nazis hating on something; nothing destroys faster than a Nazi embrace.
Yeah, it was a bit depressing to see a bunch of YouTubers who did a good job criticizing gaming censorship lately, jumping on this game with the same kind of cancel culture energy as woke crowd jumping on games featuring sexy beautiful women. Honestly, it’s probably for the better than neither modern left nor right have any capacity for libertarian mindsets, because it would just create unequal power dynamics.
The game is about stealing African artifacts from the Western museums, set in the future. Of course, racists hate it and are going to call it ‘woke’. I am personally very intrigued by the concept.
Yeah, reading Steam discussions ruined my day. Just full of racism under the vale of wokeness… Those fuckin’ “Is this game woke?” threads we see everywhere these days might as well be “Does this game have any non-white male characters?”
They are worst that the stupid asses calling for characters to have a gender option in games with a story. I mean, anyone here didn’t enjoy Die Hard because they could not relate to John’s gender or sexuality during all those fun action scenes?
Now, on a totally unrelated topic:
Looking to buy this game, but I wanna know before giving them any money; do the devs prefer a penis or clit in their mouth?
It’s hilarious! In the “is the game woke” thread, someone literally wrote:
To make analogy. In your world/culture its okay for China to steal all our furniture, devices in all western homes if the product is “made in China”. It once belonged to China and could have been stolen…
It is so fucking stupid, because games would be so insanely boring if every character interaction was between straight, white, cis-het men, and no female character could ever pass the Bechdal Test.
Just like with movies and TV shows, I enjoy a variety of games that cover the entirety of the human experience. Why the fuck would I want to limit that??
Before the poster makes any other posts, they must answer the prompt: “Apologies! We’ve been dealing with an influx of hate speech and bigotry, so to clarify your concerns, could you please provide the intended meaning of the word “Woke” in this post?”
I generally use Steam forums/news for relatively niche indie/AA games in the economic strategy/city-builder genres. Rarely do you encounter overly heated discussion with some exceptions around Denuvo use or a particularly intense debate about gameplay approaches.
But I have seen some sections of Steam that honestly look surreal due to the level of toxicity and the overall bad faith tone.
Valve should honestly police this stuff, they have more than enough resources to do so, but they won't since it goes against the "scalability and automation" mantra of modern technology companies.
P.S. I don't consider free speech issues to be relevant in this case. One can always start their own site/forum and spam it with whatever they like. If product owners finds this valuable, they can join the shitbox.
Free speech issues are not relevant because it’s a private company. Free speech is about limiting the government’s ability to control speech, companies are always free to do so for their own reasons on their own platforms. While that can be problematic when you don’t know whether the government is leaning on the companies behind the scenes, what the first amendment is really written to prevent is the overt fascist gestapo tactics the Trump administration is now using to bully their critics.
It is important to understand the constitution and why it was written, so people can act accordingly. It’s especially important when the government is not acting accordingly.
I am not American, I have a completely different perspective on this topic than most North Americans (lived there for a decade, as well as Europe and Asia for many years).
I was using the term in a very broad sense. Think of it as more of an "off the cuff" remark.
I don't know how to make Valve aware of the blatant racism going on. Maybe they only look at twitter and reddit and there needs to be a "shitstorm" about the harassment the devs are facing. It's despicable how it just continues to happen and there doesn't seem to be a "account banned for improper conduct" on most of those fasches.
It’s definitely not just indie games. I was looking forward to the Trails in the Sky remake, checked on its discussion forums, and it’s polluted with overblown “censorship” claims, sprinkled with “Guess the game FAILED cause it went WOKE” cringe.
If only Steam had something like BlueSky’s crowdsourced blocklists. That would be a freeform way of handling the issue.
Just to be clear, “watching” is a bit of a misnomer. In Project Zomboid TVs play programs to dispense lore/world-build, show what’s happening outside the Exclusion Zone, teach recipes and skills to players, improve their mood (mental health is an important part of gameplay), potentially draw in nearby zombies with the light and noise, and give survivors something to do while resting during downtime.
However, it’s all just text - the TV will light up, and if it’s tuned to a live channel or playing a VHS, a new line of text will pop up above it every few seconds. As the apocalypse advances more and more channels will go dark or switch to automated reruns (the attention to detail in this game is just chef’s kiss), eventually leaving looted VHS tapes as the only way to watch most programs.
That said, if the modders used a program to extract subtitles and kept the timings, you could theoretically play the episode at the same time and watch it in sync alongside your character. Here’s hoping someone makes a mod that lets you launch VLC to a second monitor from within the game with the proper timing offsets!
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