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_NetNomad, do astronomy w 3 tiny new moons found around Uranus and Neptune — and one is exceptionally tiny
@_NetNomad@kbin.run avatar

i wonder if something that size would even have noticable gravity

umbrella, do astronomy w 3 tiny new moons found around Uranus and Neptune — and one is exceptionally tiny
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

at one point we have to realize theres an infinite number of small rocks orbiting any given planet

maniacalmanicmania,
@maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone avatar

Why you gotta be so mean to my itty bitty moon brothers and sisters?

Spaghetti_Hitchens,

The itty bitty satellite committee

elmicha,

Does Earth also have such small orbiting rocks that are a few kilometers wide?

Bumblefumble,

No, we only have one moon. I think the gravity of the moon is too large for other moons to be in a stable orbit around Earth.

muhyb, do astronomy w For this dead star, 72 years is a single Earth day

Godzilla had a stroke trying to read that title.

BakedCatboy, do astronomy w For this dead star, 72 years is a single Earth day

Had to read the article to find out that they mean 72 “years worth of orbits” happen in 1 earth day. Although unlikely I was hoping that it was orbiting so fast that 1 earth day there would pass 72 earth years to a stationary observer due to time dilation. Not sure how fast it would need to go for that to happen.

XeroxCool,

Since time and speed are relative, to have 1 Earth day on the star and see 72 years on Earth, it’d simply be a speed multiplier of 72*365.24= 26,296.28 times faster. Our solar system orbits the galactic center at 250km/s or 0.0008c, so ~26k times that puts it at nearly 22c relative to us. So no.

But quite frankly, there must be a way to be a slower observer. Earth’s orbital speed is about 30km/s (0.0001c) so that drops the product way down to 2.6c. And while the Parker Solar Probe holds the record for the fastest man made object at 0.0006c at its closest solar approach, it actually took a lot of energy to slow it down to get it to the sun and stall it’s orbit. Otherwise, it’d just orbit it the same as the Earth. It slides out to a Venusian distance from the sun at apogee and drops to 12km/s, halving the differential requirement to +1.2c. But if everything is relative, how do we even determine where 1c is and know it’s so definitively impossible to reach? I don’t know, I’m starting to have an existential crisis. Maybe time just keeps dilating and simple addition/subtraction doesn’t apply for appreciable values of c so you have to start multiplying in decimals.

BakedCatboy,

Relativistic time dilation is nonlinear, so the time dilation “multiplier” approaches infinity as you approach the speed of light. So you will never need more than 1c to pass any finite amount of time for the observer while only passing a smaller amount of time for the moving object. Using a time dilation calculator, it looks like 1 day inside the moving object to 72 years for the stationary observer works out to roughly 99.9999999% the speed of light (9 nines total). Of course if you take into account earths movement as a “stationary” baseline then it’ll depend on whether you’re moving with or against the fast moving object.

It used to melt my brain too but there’s no need to know “absolutely stationary” since you’re comparing 2 objects. And due to the time dilation, the 1c limit is different depending on the observer, the time dilation will prevent anyone from observing >1c even if one person is going 0.9c relative to another person who is also going 0.9c relative to a stationary observer.

Tristaniopsis, do astronomy w For this dead star, 72 years is a single Earth day

That doesn’t make sense. Is it 72 years or a day?!?

Clent,

Sounds like it’s 72 orbits per Earth day.

Shit headline.

Reminds me of Facebook posts that intentionally show the wrong answer to increase engagement.

po_tay_toes,
@po_tay_toes@lemmy.sambands.net avatar

Yes.

Rubisco, do astronomy w Big, doomed satellite seen from space as it tumbles towards a fiery reentry on Feb. 21 (photos)

In an update posted on Sunday (Feb. 18), ESA said that the rentry ERS-2 is expected to take place on Wednesday (Feb. 21) at 10:19 a.m. ET (1519 GMT), plus or minus around 19 hours. This uncertainty is due to the “influence of unpredictable solar activity, which affects the density of Earth’s atmosphere” and can therefore change how much drag pulls on the satellite on its way down, ESA wrote.

Plus or minus 19hrs due to the sun’s effect on the density of the atmosphere. Mind blown.

fartsparkles, do astronomy w Big, doomed satellite seen from space as it tumbles towards a fiery reentry on Feb. 21 (photos)

Why has it taken 12 or 13 years from being manoeuvred to deorbit, to finally deorbiting?

theodewere,
@theodewere@kbin.social avatar

very high orbit i guess

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

I don’t know all of the details of this mission, but it seems like they’ve just lowered the lowest point in its orbit - called periapsis - until it sits low enough in the atmosphere to get enough drag that the orbit slowly decays over a decade.

The lowest part of the orbit would only drop a little bit, but the highest part of the orbit woukd reduce more with each orbit. If you do it slowly enough, the orbit would circularise and then it would begin to decay more evenly. As it falls deeper into the atmosphere the orbit would decay faster and faster until it can no longer sustain orbit, and then it falls deeper into the atmosphere and burns up in just a few minutes.

The reason for this I can only guess at - it wouldn’t take a whole lot more fuel to just deorbit all at once. My best guess is that it has something to do with reentering at the lowest possible speed. If you fall from a high orbit and reenter, you have a lot more speed and have to dissipate more energy all at once. It’s possible this increases the risk that the satellite will fail to deobrit, and break up and send pieces off in less predictable orbits. If it breaks up from a low circular orbit, there’s no chance of any parts escaping back into orbit.

fartsparkles,

Amazingly insightful answer! Thanks for sharing.

Potatisen, do astronomy w Big, doomed satellite seen from space as it tumbles towards a fiery reentry on Feb. 21 (photos)

That’s not a satellite, that’s the Empire coming for us!

Sendpicsofsandwiches,
@Sendpicsofsandwiches@sh.itjust.works avatar

THEY’RE STRIKING BACK!

SpeedLimit55, do astronomy w Big, doomed satellite seen from space as it tumbles towards a fiery reentry on Feb. 21 (photos)

Satellite or Tie Fighter?

threelonmusketeers, do astronomy w Water found on the surface of an asteroid for the 1st time ever

Ah, SOFIA. I miss her.

danekrae, do astronomy w Water found on the surface of an asteroid for the 1st time ever

If there were something or someone depending on that water, Nestlé would be right there, wiping every drop away, and then sell it back.

MachineFab812,

I love you. Keep doing the gods own work.

HurlingDurling, do astronomy w What would happen if you moved at the speed of light?
@HurlingDurling@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe I missed this on the article but if somehow a human is moving at 186,000 miles per second they would also escape earth’s gravitational pull (and probabbly the sun’s as well) and within a second find themselves just over halfway to the moon and crashing into it a couple of second or two later with enough force for the impact to be seen with the naked eye from earth.

Shurimal, do astronomy w What would happen if you moved at the speed of light?

If you somehow got rid of your rest mass to move at the speed of causality, two things would happen: first, you'd experience no time; second, you'd instantly crash into your destination and die in a rather energetic way. That's the neat thing about photons; from a photon's POV time and distance do not exist. A photon, from its POV, is emitted and absorbed at the same time in the same place.

Much more interesting is having rest mass and moving at a high fraction of c: http://gamelab.mit.edu/games/a-slower-speed-of-light/

kalkulat, do astronomy w What would happen if you moved at the speed of light?
@kalkulat@lemmy.world avatar

‘Speed of light’ compared to what? is what you need to worry about. Most things in the universe won’t be moving at the speed of light compared to you (or whatever you’re inside of), and when you run into them, you won’t last for long.

Kata1yst,
@Kata1yst@kbin.social avatar

That's the neat part of the speed of light. It's the speed of light for every reference frame, no matter who is looking at you or from where.

kalkulat,
@kalkulat@lemmy.world avatar

If you’re zooming past the Earth at the speed of light headed straight at the Moon, you’ve got about 1 second to enjoy that before you make a very, VERY large crater.

If you change course and head straight at a frozen tardigrade, it will make a VERY large crater in you.

Kata1yst,
@Kata1yst@kbin.social avatar

To actually reach the speed of light you'd be massless, so the only damage, would be from momentum transfer, at which point your particles would be reflected or absorbed like light.

But that aside, mostly I was referring to your statement:

'Speed of Light' compared to what?

Which is really not a concern. It's the speed of light for everyone with respect to everything, or it isn't the speed of light. Like, two beams of light going in opposite directions don't see the other light beam going at 2x the speed of light, just at the speed of light with lots of time dialation.

kalkulat,
@kalkulat@lemmy.world avatar

You already knew the answer to ‘What would happen if you moved at the speed of light’ was was “To actually reach the speed of light you’d be massless.” No shit. The question was already massless.

troyunrau, do astronomy w What would happen if you moved at the speed of light?
@troyunrau@lemmy.ca avatar

Aside from the fact that anything with mass cannot travel at the speed of light… Lots of fun things happen as you approach the speed of light. There’s an excellent mostly-hard sci fi novel called Tau Zero that explores this concept in depth and, despite being older, is worth the read.

(1) Time dilation (the universe and you have different clocks).

(2) blueshifting of objects in front of you. At 0.95c, basically all visible starlight in front of you has been blueshifted into ionizing radiation. Fun fun.

(3) shape distortion. You become more needle-shaped – getting very long and skinny, as observed by the rest of the universe.

(4) you become a nuke. At .99c if you run into anything, your kinetic energy related explosion would be roughly 6x the Tsar Bomba (largest nuke ever detonated) for each kg of mass. Or, put another way, each kg of your mass would impact with the energy of 3kg of antimatter contacting 3kg of matter. Boom.

Sci fi always overlooks the last one. Near light speed combat is basically firing buckets of sand at planets and blowing them up.

karmiclychee,

Speaking of sci fi, Kim Stanley Robinson’s 2312 does a really good job of incorporating the existential dread and lurking horror of weaponized orbital mechanics.

troyunrau,
@troyunrau@lemmy.ca avatar

Right! And that’s not even one percent of lightspeed.

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