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SolidShake, do games w Speedrunner already beat Zelda: Breath of the Wild on Nintendo Switch 2

This means nothing. The switch 2 is barely a new console, BOTW wasn’t changed at all so it would just be exactly the same as on the regular switch.

Goretantath,

Actually, it could have been a faster record due to the improved framerate.

SolidShake,

No lol. It’s the same game, frames don’t make the game run faster. If you jump from one spot to another, regardless of frames per second, it is the same amount of time to jump

bluespin,

Some games tie physics to frame rate, which is exploitable for speed runs. Iirc this game has a few tricks that would be affected

eRac,

Many modern games have a separate physics frame rate to avoid that issue, but tend to always have the physics process a fixed amount of ‘time’ regardless of how long the frame takes so that the physics is more consistent. If that lags, the whole game will pretty much play in slow motion.

LandedGentry, (edited )

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  • Stovetop,

    Yep, even going way back, there are differences between speedrun times for Ocarina of Time on N64, Ocarina of Time on GameCube, Ocarina of Time on Wii VC, and Ocarina of Time on NSO. And that’s also not considering the native PC port recently assembled by the community.

    And that’s why speedrun leaderboards always factor in game version/region and platform when measuring runs against one another.

    criss_cross,

    It also affects timing of tricks that are “frame perfect”.

    If the old version was frame perfect and you had 1/30 frames and now you have 1/60 you’ve made the trick twice as hard.

    Mirodir,

    Hahahaha, I wish you were right.

    In some games it’s really bad. For example, people speedrun Pokémon Scarlet instead of Violet because Miraidon’s jet engines lag the game more, costing them minutes over a full run (despite that fact that there are Violet exclusive shortcuts). Source

    edgemaster72,
    @edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

    Nintendo/TPC: “See, this is why you need to buy both (or all three) versions of a Pokemon game, every time we release and re-release them. Our lawyers will be in contact if you choose not to comply.”

    Suck_on_my_Presence,

    I actually think it might be slower based on the processing power. There’s a trick on the Switch (one, I guess), where you have to pause and play a few times while looking at areas that take longer to process and it somehow accelerates your flying on the glider like crazy.

    Also I think one of the new tricks is wiggling yourself with a shield drawn on frame perfect side to sides, so it might make that harder if the frame rate goes up?

    But I have really only a basic idea of these things.

    Stovetop, (edited )

    Those sorts of things can absolutely happen. Newer versions of games often either patch issues on older versions or there may be some glitches that are not as easy to take advantage of when the hardware isn’t struggling as much.

    The Zelda Speedruns site even maintains a list of version differences for various Zelda games which make a difference to which version is optimal to run.

    moody,

    I think those glitches work because some menu interactions slow the game down intentionally (for like half a second) and players have found ways of abusing the slowdown’s interaction with game physics. So I don’t think framerates are relevant to that, but I may be wrong about that.

    Doom Eternal had similar glitches where the weapon choice menu slows time down to let you make a selection, and you can abuse that slowdown by spamming the jump button to launch yourself really high. I believe speed runners bind the mouse wheel to jump so they can super launch themselves.

    pulsewidth, do games w 8BitDo no longer shipping to US from China due to Trump tariffs

    Am I wrong or do the 8BitDo controllers almost all have inbuilt batteries of unusual capacities? They could just build them to use standard AAA or AA rechargeables, but instead they do proprietary batteries which 8BitDo happily sell replacements for - sure seems like a path to more e-waste.

    Dumbkid,
    @Dumbkid@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    That’s why the last one I bought was the 8bitdo pro 2. I love my rechargeable AA batteries

    j0ester, do games w 8BitDo no longer shipping to US from China due to Trump tariffs

    I’ve been seeing them at Best Buy now too.

    grue, do games w 8BitDo no longer shipping to US from China due to Trump tariffs

    Help, I can’t tell the difference between the different varieties. Between the “Ultimate 2 Bluetooth Controller” and the “Ultimate 2 Wireless Controller,” which one do I want for gaming on Linux (both Steam on my desktop and RetroPie on my Raspberry Pi)? Or which do I want between the “2C Bluetooth” and “2C Wireless,” for that matter?

    (Damn it, 8bitdo, would it kill you to put a fucking comparison matrix on your website‽)

    helpmyusernamewontfi,

    I can’t tell the difference between the different varieties. Between the “Ultimate 2 Bluetooth Controller” and the “Ultimate 2 Wireless Controller,”

    The wireless controller uses a wireless USB dongle for connectivity, which supposedly has way less input delay than standard bluetooth. I couldn’t comment on that personally tho cause I have an older one which is Bluetooth and works fine for me

    grue,

    But both models say they have Bluetooth, wired, and 2.4Ghz connectivity. They both include a USB-C 2.4Ghz dongle, and both explicitly call out Bluetooth as a way to connect to certain devices, so must both have transmitters for that, too. The “Wireless” version calls its wireless protocol “8Speed” and lists its low latency as a feature, but the “Bluetooth” product page doesn’t say anything that would imply its non-bluetooth wireless is different. It merely doesn’t discuss it.

    The only real hardware differences I’ve been able to discern so far are that:

    • the “Ultimate 2 Wireless” version shows colored labels on the ABXY buttons, while on the “Ultimate 2 Bluetooth” version the labels appear to be white.
    • the “Ultimate 2 Wireless” comes in black, white, and purple while the “Bluetooth” version only comes in black and white.
    • the “Ultimate 2C Wireless” comes in mint, peach, green, and purple while the “2C Wireless” version comes in blue, pink, and dark blue.
    Azzu,

    I have 2C wireless and there is no Bluetooth to be found.

    BossDj,

    It looks like they’re each compatible with different devices maybe

    edgemaster72,
    @edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

    Sometimes they have hall effect sticks, sometimes they don’t. Sometimes they have back paddles, sometimes they have extra bumpers instead. Which is which? no clue

    Yeahboiiii,

    The only difference I could find is that the bluetooth one is officially switch compatible and the other one isn’t. I have the old wireless one with hall effect sticks and had no issues with it on pc, android or steamdeck.

    mp3, do games w 8BitDo no longer shipping to US from China due to Trump tariffs
    @mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

    Hopefully they still can ship direct to Canada.

    Thassodar, do games w 8BitDo no longer shipping to US from China due to Trump tariffs

    I literally got my Ultimate 2 two weeks ago after a month delay. Great controller, glad I got in before this crap.

    inclementimmigrant, do games w 8BitDo no longer shipping to US from China due to Trump tariffs

    I mean I completely understand.

    So does that mean we’re going to see Coyotes snuggling equipment over the border now?

    ripcord,
    @ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

    snuggling

    Awww!

    inclementimmigrant,

    Well it is cramped in that van after all.

    IndustryStandard, do games w 8BitDo no longer shipping to US from China due to Trump tariffs

    8BitDont

    eezeebee, do games w 8BitDo no longer shipping to US from China due to Trump tariffs
    @eezeebee@lemmy.ca avatar

    My Ultimate 2C is being delivered today and I’m very excited.

    Apocalypteroid,

    I just bough a couple of these myself. They are excellent.

    eezeebee,
    @eezeebee@lemmy.ca avatar

    Mine arrived and I am pleased with how quality it feels.

    D-pad is better than I expected. No more stick drift. Cost half as much as an Xbox controller. You can’t go wrong.

    uninvitedguest, do games w 8BitDo no longer shipping to US from China due to Trump tariffs
    @uninvitedguest@lemmy.ca avatar

    I have a minature gamepad for my daughter’s tiny hands, but my favourite product is actually their mechanical keyboard.

    eletes, do games w 8BitDo no longer shipping to US from China due to Trump tariffs
    @eletes@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Is this why all their stuff is on sale? They’re clearing stock?

    gndagreborn, do games w 8BitDo no longer shipping to US from China due to Trump tariffs
    @gndagreborn@lemmy.world avatar

    FUCK, I use 8bitdo for Anki bro. It’s a study tool, not just for gaming.

    taiyang, do games w 8BitDo no longer shipping to US from China due to Trump tariffs

    Ugh. I hate this timeline.

    My 8bitdo story, back when they’re we’re just starting to put joysticks on their SNES style controllers, I used mine to the point that the joysticks were falling apart. I sent them a support email, and even though it wasn’t covered by any warranty or anything, a very nice Chinese person working there sent me a spare set of joysticks in the mail, plus words of encouragement (in somewhat broken English) since I wasn’t shy about fixing the thing myself.

    Can’t imagine that today, but it was a nice gesture and I’m glad they’re still making stuff today.

    Appoxo,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    The worst part about growing companies are the almost impossible ways for those small interactions.

    RudestBuddhist,

    Yep. I just bought an 8bitdo controller a few weeks ago with a defective RB button. I asked support if there was anything I could do to reseat it or replace a membrane to fix it. Support said either take it back to where I bought it or ship it to them in China to get fixed on my dime. That left a bad taste in my mouth for their products.

    treyf711,

    My joystick broke on my Ultimate controller. It could have been my fault or it could’ve been when I was traveling for work or the two year-old. Either way, I managed to take the front cover off and look at the joysticks and order a new set from AliExpress. Less than four dollars later and 20 minutes of work it was all fixed up. It wasn’t due to contacting customer support, but replacement parts were readily available.

    Appoxo,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    To be fair: They are probably not working with a lot of margin and shipping it bavk to china is costly for them.
    If I buy on AliExpress I am under the impression of it either fits or needs to be trashed. But returning is very unlikely.
    And 8bitdo is (when not being sold by a 3rd party like for example microcenter) just another chinese seller/manufacturer on AliExpress or Amazon^(which is just a chinese shipping proxy with some local sellers nowadays)

    commander, do games w 8BitDo no longer shipping to US from China due to Trump tariffs

    The best gamepads. It’ll be a wasteland again once again once stock runs out

    hakase, (edited )

    Gamesir seems to be vying for that crown of late - their price to feature ratio is impressive.

    Edit: Yes, they’ll face the same tariff pressures - I’m just noting that 8BitDo isn’t the clear market leader the way they were 3-5 years ago.

    commander,

    Ahh ya gamesir. I have a gamesir gamepad for my phone. Really good. They’ll have trouble with tariffs pricing too though

    HeyThisIsntTheYMCA,
    @HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

    i picked up a gamesir g3s like 10 years ago and it still works pretty good. i need to replace the thumb pads, but other than that it’s in good shape.

    tal,
    @tal@lemmy.today avatar

    gamesir.com/pages/brand-story

    2013 Founding of GameSir by Yao Ma and the establishing of headquarter in Guangzhou, China.

    I would assume that GameSir would also be affected by tariffs on China if 8bitdo is.

    bazus1, do games w 8BitDo no longer shipping to US from China due to Trump tariffs

    Time to open a bank account in Canada

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