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Katana314, do games w Helldivers 2 boss apologizes for 'horrible' dev comments, says Arrowhead has 'taken action internally to educate our developers'

It’s unfortunately a case of developers being required to stay “on mute” because of their inherent power - much like being rich, male, and white.

I play a lot of Dead by Daylight, and many friendly content creators will offhandedly say comments like “If you can’t outrun a Hag who’s not using her traps on Garden of Joy, you should probably uninstall.” It’s an exaggerated sentiment, definitely in a mean spirit; but unfortunately that brand of sarcasm won’t work with everyone, and in the case of most people, they could react with “Well, fine, I don’t care about YOU - surely the developers agree with me.” But people feel MUCH more powerless when developers speak, even if it’s for a topic the community has consensus on. Even Dead by Daylight had its period of outcry when the developers effectively stated through changes “Camping survivors that are downed is not fun and we’d like to discourage it.”

Goronmon,

It’s unfortunately a case of developers being required to stay “on mute” because of their inherent power - much like being rich, male, and white.

How does the quote go? “When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.”

Ridiculous comparisons aside, primary issue is that there are basically no upsides and a lot of potential downsides to a developer actively like an ass in customer facing channels.

And feeding the cycle of “clapbacks” isn’t going to do the community any favors.

Katana314,

While I’m very much on board with the equality quote for the white-male thing (If you’re privileged, you shouldn’t be making comments about welfare and employment), I don’t know if that has so much equivalence to being a game dev. In the end, a small team of people are the ones with the control to make and update the popular game, and that power will never be spread among its playerbase.

The thing is, as obvious as it sounds to say “never act like an ass”, conversational spontaneity is unpredictable, and the simplest and fastest way to achieve that is with the directive “Never speak”. I’ve even seen that issue with coding standards - the best way to never be blamed for a bug is to just never put up any code changes. In social settings, if people try to act in ‘honest’ ways, that can involve sometimes speaking in slightly inflammatory ways towards concepts that they think the group should agree are bad. In this very comment chain, for instance, we’ve made metaphors to oppressive patriarchy from controlling white men. (I’m a white guy with above-average income, by the way, and I’m very okay with that comparison)

So, these developers decided to be more vocal than others in the past (think of every publisher that responds with stock “We recognize your concerns and appreciate your feedback”) and, this unfortunately can be the consequence of that. I know it seems plausible to expect them to be perfect, but they’re human - not much different from all other internet commenters. I’d even question whether everyone here knows the full context of the comments that are receiving complaints. Quite often, when people are putting attention on you, they can selectively quote you to make you seem terrible. (“I KILLED EARL MILFORD.”)

If your position is simply “Devs shouldn’t speak outside of patch notes and press releases”, that’s kind of a fair stance, I just want to make sure that’s what you intend.

Goronmon, (edited )

Honestly, I don’t personally think that developers stop speaking to players directly. But doing so can have consequences, especially if you decide to take a more antagonistic attitude. And dealing with those consequences is the price you pay for more direct communications.

All of this drama is dumb for many reasons. It was dumb for the original comments from players that were insulting towards the devs. It’s dumb for a developer to respond in kind. And it’s dumb that people get so worked up in turn for the developer’s comments (especially the “they should be fired” cries).

But the clear point in the chain that can be severed here is on the developer’s shoulders. We’ll never get rid of 100% of the negativity/toxicity in gaming, but we can limit how much it becomes a part of the community.

elephantium,
@elephantium@lemmy.world avatar

potential downsides to a developer actively like an ass

Did you accidentally a word?

kux,

obviously the word was meant to be acting, why act retardant about it

elephantium,
@elephantium@lemmy.world avatar

Not obvious to me, but “acting” does make sense now that you say it.

onlinepersona, do gaming w The makers of Palworld are desperate to hire more developers: 'We are overwhelmingly short of people'

Japanese only and really only game devs. Thought there would DevOps jobs available 😢

CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

shasta,

They certainly need them

EmpiricalFlock, do gaming w Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth's director wants series vets and newbies alike to be surprised by its twist and turns, seeing the remake as more than 'just a callback'
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Oof. You’d think if they wanted to surprise people with twists and turns they’d just make a new game instead of altering the plot of a remake (unless I’m misunderstanding).

Chet_Awesomelad,
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No you're correct, that's exactly what they did.

Ashyr, do gaming w Spec Ops: The Line's sudden removal from Steam baffles its director: 'Why has this happened?'

Super weird. That game is great, just play it on easy and enjoy the ride.

Entropy, do gaming w Spec Ops: The Line's sudden removal from Steam baffles its director: 'Why has this happened?'

I hope they figure it out and potentially get it reinstated. It would be a shame for such a good game to be lost to so many people

WanderingPoltergeist, do gaming w CD Projekt narrative director declares Cyberpunk 2077 'just a warm-up' as work kicks off on the sequel
@WanderingPoltergeist@kbin.social avatar

The narrative director had little to do with the technical elements of the game; that jab should've been directed at the higher ups who forced this game to be pushed this game out the doorway too soon! I'm sure the developer team was disappointed with the broken launch of their game, but we need to be reminded that CDPR doesn't get off scot free. The hype they're trying to build needs to be cooled with reminders of their past behavior.

Whiskeyomega, do gaming w Teenage Grand Theft Auto 6 hacker given an indefinite sentence in a secure hospital due to his 'intent to return to cybercrime as soon as possible'
@Whiskeyomega@kbin.social avatar

As always with the Crown Prosecution service in the UK they love to bully and make an example of Autistic people. Only added by corporation running the court system, The CPS' Prosecution barristers are known to enjoy a life of luxury and gifts from them but you cant touch any of it.

sbv, do gaming w Teenage Grand Theft Auto 6 hacker given an indefinite sentence in a secure hospital due to his 'intent to return to cybercrime as soon as possible'

Following an assessment by a psychiatrist, however, the judge in the case determined that Kurtaj was unfit to stand trial, and so the jury was asked only to determine if he had actually committed the hacks, but not whether it was done with criminal intent.

I’m curious what “unfit” means here.

TBi, do games w This fan-made HD PC port of Zelda: Link's Awakening is so cool I can't believe Nintendo hasn't taken it down yet

I tried downloading and the website says the download was quarantined. Anyone else see this? I was able to download anyway.

Donut,

Yeah it’s a safeguard by Itch.io which flags potentially malicious users, but they let you proceed if you are sure you can trust the author

Jambalaya, do games w Superb survival city-builder Against the Storm is finally finished and released

Did it arrive on gamepass yet?

Shadowedcross,

Yep

basic_spud, do games w Superb survival city-builder Against the Storm is finally finished and released

Did they ever add gamepad support?

smort,
@smort@lemmy.world avatar

According to the Steam page, it does not have controller support.

I’m waiting for that too, so I can play on the Deck or on the couch

superpill,

You can play it on the Deck if you just use one of the trackpad as mouse, I do it all the time :D

smort,
@smort@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah I’ve tried using the Deck’s trackpads in games. I’m ok with it for an occasional menu, but I haven’t been able to enjoy it enough to use it as a primary gaming input device

zerosilversky,

I’ve played almost exclusively on my Steam Deck since early access. I’d argue it’s actually easier to play on the Steam Deck with all the hotkeys and whatnot mapped to buttons.

BaroqBard,

Yeah, I guess I’m gonna dogpile here a bit, but can confirm it’s pretty solid on the deck. I thought I’d hate track-padding, but it’s actually pretty pleasant. Just had to remap a couple things, like wood-cutting & a couple back paddle buttons and it plays surprisingly smoothly. I’ve played on both PC & deck and oddly I’m starting to get to like playing on the deck a little bit better actually.

Give it a try!

smort,
@smort@lemmy.world avatar

Ok, yeah I’ve tried trackpadding other games on the Deck and it was a thoroughly unenjoyable experience for me. Maybe I’ll try to push through again with this game

Potatos_are_not_friends,

That’s my current wish. After 50 hours on my computer, Im excited to take it with me on a keypad.

FlapKap, do gaming w Armello studio lays off over half its staff and 'indefinitely' pauses development on its ongoing early access game because 'almost all funding and investment has evaporated from the videogame industry

Well that’s annoying. This is the first time I hear about this game and it looks kinda good. I hope the studio can turn around and restart development at some point

agent_flounder, do games w You can buy this forgotten '90s shooter from its original website, which is a perfectly preserved time capsule of PC gaming's golden age
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Castle WTF

Arthur_Leywin, do games w Court rules Gabe Newell must appear in person to testify in Steam anti-trust lawsuit

They might as well sue Microsoft

quams69, do games w Bayonetta creator Hideki Kamiya says 'It would be a disaster' if he ever collaborated with Hideo Kojima or Yoko Taro: 'It doesn't work like in Dragon Ball'

All I want is bayo 2 on pc. I got the first one and went to get the second after enjoying the shit out of it but it’s owned by nintendo now so I should go fuck myself I guess

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