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Telorand, do gaming w Star Citizen fans sigh deeply, rub their foreheads as developer casts doubt on Squadron 42's 2026 release: 'I don't know if we're going to make it'

No Man’s Sky has almost every feature that Star Citizen will have/has:

  • Frigates
  • Walkable ships (via the new corvettes)
  • Space stations
  • Food/cooking
  • Quests and lore
  • Planet exploration
  • Ship to ship dogfights

Like, by the time SC releases, the game’s features will have been done by multiple companies. I expect people actually buying the game, if it’s ever released, will do so for the memes and not because the game has anything innovative to add to gaming.

VitoRobles,

It doesn’t have the feature where whales can give the devs $10,000 for a spaceship.

Check mate.

Telorand,

I mean, nothing is stopping a whale from contacting Hello Games to get a bespoke spaceship… 😂

Rose_Thorne, do gaming w Star Citizen fans sigh deeply, rub their foreheads as developer casts doubt on Squadron 42's 2026 release: 'I don't know if we're going to make it'

Star Citizen is going to be the next game with a generational legacy.

After fans will their copies to their children, still waiting for the official release.

shnizmuffin,
@shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol avatar

I’m sorry, this license is non-transferable. We run a 20% off rebuy special once every fiscal quarter!

thisbenzingring,

its going to be Daikatana II

kurcatovium,
@kurcatovium@piefed.social avatar

It's already a Daikatana and Duke Nukem Forever combined...

DdCno1,

Both games released and even the N64 port of Daikatana is more fun on original hardware than Star Citizen ever will be.

kurcatovium,
@kurcatovium@piefed.social avatar

I honestly believe SC will also release at some point in somewhat final shape. But that point is still far far away... Until then they'll be teasing us with more promises and will continue practice of their "development as a service" business.

VitoRobles,

Is Chris Roberts going to make everyone his bitch?

kurcatovium,
@kurcatovium@piefed.social avatar

Well actually he's doing it right now. And people are happy to pay him for it.

carotte, do games w 'An embarrassing failure of the US patent system': Videogame IP lawyer says Nintendo's latest patents on Pokémon mechanics 'should not have happened, full stop'

death to intellectual property

Goodlucksil,

*for digital content

carotte,

nah, death to all intellectual property. it’s not better when it’s physical. in fact, in some cases, it’s much much worse; like with medicine patents

Goodlucksil,

Patents are not intellectual property and they are regulated by the patent office. Intellectual property is not regulated and cannot be blanket dismissed.

We just need someone competent on patent offices

Soggy,

How are patents not intellectual property?

Goodlucksil,

Patents are made on concepts. IPs are made on the complete production.

Soggy,

That doesn’t seem to be true. Patents are listed foremost among types of IP in multiple sources.

RickyRigatoni,
@RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com avatar

And nintendo.

Greddan, do games w Star Citizen fans sigh deeply, rub their foreheads as developer casts doubt on Squadron 42's 2026 release: 'I don't know if we're going to make it'

I think the people claiming this game is a scam, don’t know what scam means. I paid for this game years ago and sometimes I go online and have fun with friends or just drink beer and do cargo hauling to relax. Like any other game really. Early access or not, people are having fun.

Sunk cost fallacy? What cost am I putting in, and what am I expecting in return? This game cost me a night on the town years ago that would’ve been forgotten at this point, and gained me a fun space game.

Agent_Karyo,
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

What does you having fun with friends in star citizen have to do with the discussion about it being a scam?

These things are unrelated.

There are companies with 50K employees with working delivery (no JPEG of an oil barrel) where the management was found to engage in fraud.

It’s not like the only type of scam possible is a day 1 rugpull.

Nilz,

Ok, so preordering what promises to be a motorcycle but years later getting a bicycle instead that you happen to enjoy riding is also acceptable?

Greddan,

I never pre-ordered anything. I saw a YouTube video of people having fun in a space game, and then I bought said space game, and played it.

I swear you guys are more obsessed with Star Citizen than the people who play it.

hornedfiend,

Last time I hate the patience to soldier through a sad attempt at playing this game felt more like buying some next gen bike, but getting the chassis that looks like the bike I ordered, but had tech from 10 years ago and every time you try to park it in your garage, both wheels fall off.

It’s pretty sad really.

ripcord,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Horribly mismanaged? Incompetent project management? Horrifyingly bad predictions, even lying? Big mess of a project? Sure.

Scam? No. They really are trying to do the thing they said they are.

And as you say, even though they’re never, ever going to deliver what they promised because they can’t, they have delivered a thing that a lot of people like

But god DAMN. They said most of the PU features would be done in 2016/17. 9 years later 80% of what they promised still isn’t there. Multi crew has been walked back. Etc etc.

barnaclebutt, (edited )

Umm, I bought it because Gary Oldman said squadron 42 was coming out next year. I want a modern freelancer. That was over a decade ago. That really seems like a scam…

Agent_Karyo,
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

Gary Oldman said squadron 42 was coming out next year

Mark Hamil said that something called “Squadron 54” was coming out soon, this was half a decade ago.

Defectus,

A scam would be that Chris Robert just took the kickstarter money and ran away. They are actually trying to make the game… Poorly.
Having said that, It amazes me that they get away with selling ships for 1000s of dollars. That feels somewhat scam-ish

Ganbat, (edited ) do games w The only good Postal game is a spinoff expressionist boomer shooter that takes place entirely in the protagonist's depraved mind

The only good Postal game

Unquestionably shit take.

Edit: Read the article. Really just another shit gaming journalist. Their whole justification for why the rest of the series isn’t good basically boils down to “I only wanna play boomer shooters.”

HazardousBanjo, do games w Star Citizen fans sigh deeply, rub their foreheads as developer casts doubt on Squadron 42's 2026 release: 'I don't know if we're going to make it'

Star Citizen may very well be the single greatest argument for Scrum Masters on Dev teams.

Talk about infinite scope, holy shit.

sheogorath,

Competent Scrum Masters, 95% of the Scrum project that I’ve been part of caught on fire is because of an ass PO and an incompetent SM who can’t rein in the PO.

Passerby6497, do games w Star Citizen fans sigh deeply, rub their foreheads as developer casts doubt on Squadron 42's 2026 release: 'I don't know if we're going to make it'

Store Citizen missing deadlines like that is to be expected.

ms_lane,

Just a few more jpegs and they’ll have the money to finish it!

I do remember them spending a lot of money on Star-Trek style doors for the their HQ and now they’re moving, so I guess that was money well spent.

livejamie, do games w 'An embarrassing failure of the US patent system': Videogame IP lawyer says Nintendo's latest patents on Pokémon mechanics 'should not have happened, full stop'

I’m surprised that Palworld was even able to release, honestly.

NocturnalMorning,

Why? Anybody who’s played it knows it only has a passing resemblance to Pokémon. Once you play the game, you realize how different it is in its mechanics and story from pokemon.

Nintendo doesn’t own the idea of monster taming. The idea predates their company by quite a bit actually.

livejamie,

I agree, but Nintendo usually gets away with legally bullying companies

JackbyDev,

What’s frustrating is that the thing that is arguably questionable (the art of some of the characters) isn’t what is the subject of anything. Nope. Ball throwing.

JcbAzPx,

That’s because copyright and trademark are more specific than patents. You have to use the exact look to be in violation. Patents are more of a vibes protection. You can sue for close enough.

WanderWisley, do games w Star Citizen fans sigh deeply, rub their foreheads as developer casts doubt on Squadron 42's 2026 release: 'I don't know if we're going to make it'

We are gonna get gta 8 before we get star citizen.

hal_5700X, do games w Star Citizen fans sigh deeply, rub their foreheads as developer casts doubt on Squadron 42's 2026 release: 'I don't know if we're going to make it'

The scam is eternal.

Aielman15, do games w Star Citizen fans sigh deeply, rub their foreheads as developer casts doubt on Squadron 42's 2026 release: 'I don't know if we're going to make it'
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

I very much doubt that when (if) the game releases, it will be worth the wait and live up to the hype.

jagermo,

I just hope i will have a good time at the old folks home.

Carighan,
@Carighan@piefed.world avatar

And you can be your ass that for how outdated it'll look when it releases in 2035 or so, it'll still chug at <30 FPS on your NVidia 35090.

CocaineShrimp,
@CocaineShrimp@sh.itjust.works avatar

I will put money down that it will not. A game that’s in development for this long will not live up to any level of expectations

chunes, do games w Star Citizen fans sigh deeply, rub their foreheads as developer casts doubt on Squadron 42's 2026 release: 'I don't know if we're going to make it'

Meanwhile I’ve done five or six playthroughs of Freelancer while this game has been in development and had more fun than I’ll ever have with Star Citizen.

9point6, do games w Star Citizen fans sigh deeply, rub their foreheads as developer casts doubt on Squadron 42's 2026 release: 'I don't know if we're going to make it'

At this point, I’m just looking at all this as an interesting social experiment on sunk cost fallacy

I wonder how long they can go without delivering on anything

reksas,

well, they are still slowly actually adding more stuff to the game. I dont think they intend to scam anyone since they occasionally allow people to play the game for free and without that i would have been inclined to buy it many times now to see what kind of game it is (and would have felt scammed). Now i just keep waiting for them to add enough stuff for the game to be worth getting, but after hearing they might add somekind of p2w shop crap i think i might just forget about the whole thing if it really bad.

Its too bad if the game collapses at some point since it really has promise. I resent them for first fucking around with the money they were given and making it all seem like a scam even when there is potential for it to not be.

homoludens,

Its too bad if the game collapses at some point since it really has promise.

No one denies the game has promise. The problem is that it does not have much else. Having ideas is the easy part in game development.

reksas,

the promise i see comes from things that are actually in the game. Though it still needs more to be worthwhile, so i’m not risking my money yet. They just need to add more fun things to do and fix the problems with what they already have and it would already be kind of ok, provided they keep adding stuff.

Greddan,

The times I’ve had with this game over the years I feel is well worth the cost of dinner at an fairly upscale restaurant or a night out drinking.

Carighan,
@Carighan@piefed.world avatar

I think the fact that they are very very glacially slowly delivering on things at least, all the while self-discovering software development instead of learning it, that aggravates me even more. Bloober Team could finish this faster and more competently than these clowns...

ripcord,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Glacially is OVERstating how much and how quickly.

Especially compared to their original predictions.

azertyfun,

It’s not even about predictions or estimations - everything’s so many years late everyone stopped counting. They just… don’t seem to understand “scoping”? The pitch is “ultra-realistic life-size universe sandbox simulation” and they keep hitting walls because they’re using tech that’s completely inadequate for the task at hand but they won’t let that deter them. They’ve probably reimplemented every subsystem of the Crysis 3 engine a dozen times by now, and it’s still not anywhere near capable of achieving even a tenth of their ambitions. Fuck, they just very recently got their server meshing thing barely working after like a decade of development (at the cost of rewriting everything again of course).

It’s like watching a team raising billions to build the Burj Khalifa but all they have is a bunch of dry sand and some spoons. Deadlines aren’t really the issue.

dustyData,

We already know what happens with long term sunk cost fallacy. It is a scam.

NuXCOM_90Percent, (edited ) do games w Star Citizen fans sigh deeply, rub their foreheads as developer casts doubt on Squadron 42's 2026 release: 'I don't know if we're going to make it'

As a very early backer of S42 way back in apparently 2012: It never ceases to annoy me that The Wing Commander Guy has once again managed to do everything possible to NOT make a fucking Wing Commander. This is, what, the third big clusterfuck and the first one where there was nobody to take it away from him and just finish it themselves? But, whatever.

As a big fan of elite games: I am really glad star citizen “exists” to contrast Elite Dangerous and has led to some truly amazing games in the genre. Some of which actually ARE more Wing Commander than not (Everspace 2 is basically the Freelancer that was promised). Now we just need some studio to make a proper Freespace game.

All that said: I don’t like it but I weirdly keep coming back to the thought process that Star Citizen actually IS delivering on its “promise” to the backers… of the past decade or so. Not the OGs. Fuck us.

Because they were never sold on actually playing a game. They were sold on a dream. It is the same logic by which you watch Aisha Tyler do VO for a Tom Clancy game and think that you and your friends are also going to be super sweaty tier seven operators. Or how you watch your favorite group of online youtubers read off their pre-written jokes and pretend to be shocked while playing “friendslop” games. Or… you are a non-sicko who read too many AARs of Dwarf Fortress and thought you would boatmurder too.

Its the idea of spending money to Dream. You know you’ll never actually do what you saw the pretty people do. But you THINK you will and, by owning a copy of Garry’s Mod that you will never boot up, you think you will too.

Obviously the star citizen heads are spending WAY more than 20 bucks a pop and some are buying multiple megaships they’ll never use meaningfully. But it is hard to not see parallels to the people who buy a DCS plane because they want to pretend that one day they will learn how to fly that jet.

And… truth be told, I think I’ve gotten my money’s worth out of the annual charity streams where Drew Scanlon (The Blinking White Guy) and Vinny Caravella attempt to play Star Citizen and spend an hour or two crashing to desktop, getting confused, and accomplishing absolutely nothing. Hell, I think there were a few years where they never even found each other in the space station?


Also, as much as Freelancer hurt, I’ll never stop laughing/being annoyed that he managed to take a sci-fi movie starring Freddie Prinze Jr AND Baby Busey AND Matthew Lillard and turn it into a charisma-free void with no redeeming qualities. Like, you gotta put some fricking effort into that. Those guys could make reading the dictionary be entertaining.

p03locke,
@p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

As a big fan of elite games: I am really glad star citizen “exists” to contrast Elite Dangerous and has led to some truly amazing games in the genre.

Elite Dangerous has its faults, but goddamn, did it pull something epic and historical with a ten-years-in-the-making final event.

Ileftreddit, do games w Star Citizen fans sigh deeply, rub their foreheads as developer casts doubt on Squadron 42's 2026 release: 'I don't know if we're going to make it'

Bro running the greatest grift on earth not counting the crypto market

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