laughs in steam deck You know, I didn’t really have a lot of interest in emulating old Nintendo games, but now I think I’ll do it just because Nintendo doesn’t want me to.
Honestly, I’m an advocate for emulation and game preservation and all that, but I’m surprised this is only now the case. I don’t have the nerve to try to hack my device if it’s the currently being supported platform. If they’ve already abandoned it then it’s fair game but the currently active console with your current actual information on there that gets regular updates? You’re just playing with fire.
It’s like taking it upon yourself to make an “HD remake” of the IPs owned by famously stringent companies who aren’t afraid to put the hammer down on these things.
I generally agree, I only really hack consoles that aren’t being supported anymore, but I don’t like how over-reaching the end user agreement is sounds like it’s likely to be abused
At this point if you’re buying their stuff, you’re the reason they get away with it and you’re the problem because you can’t control them, you can only control you… and you didn’t.
How is retropie still able to operate? Seems like 9 out of 10 people who buy a raspberry pi are using it with retropie to play retro games. Seems like something that holds that much of the emulator industry share would be targeted by Nintendo.
Subsequently, if I know someone who knows someone who has a retropie for gaming, what’s the worst case scenario that could come from Nintendo shutting down retropie’s ability to provide the means to emulate? Will it be fine as long as the OS isn’t updated any further? Just run the emulators and roms already installed on it as long as no new emulators or roms are added after the possible crack down?
Nintendo can't control anyone else's hardware, they can't stop you from doing what you want on a Raspberry Pi. They're trying to crack down on Switch modding, but even that's just a cat-and-mouse game.
You will not get in trouble for emulating at home. Emulation itself is legal, it's only illegal to download games you don't own. But it's nearly impossible for anyone to get caught doing that, and very obviously not worth any lawyer's time to pursue individual end users for pennies in damages. You are safe.
What Nintendo wants to do is attack piracy at the source. They can go after sites that distribute ROMs, but those are like a hydra, kill one and three more take its place. Then there's the likes of Yuzu and Ryujinx, where Nintendo claims to have found some technicality about these emulators having something they shouldn't. But the forks are still being distributed, and you the end user will not get in trouble for downloading the fork at home.
Note that for the most part, they're really only concerned with protecting their current hardware. They've never gone after Dolphin, Snes9x, mGBA, etc, because they know those are battles they can't win. Considering how aggressive Nintendo is on the battles they do fight, it's clear that anything Nintendo doesn't go after is something they can't go after.
I mean it’s still important to walk an emulators for current Hardware while we still have modern working examples and can capture Network packets and whatnot but I’m not totally against the idea of Simply holding your insights from public consumption for a while out of practicality alone
I agree, it's important to preserve things today because it may be too late tomorrow. Some Switch titles have already been delisted, so it's good that we backed them up early.
But I'm just explaining it from Nintendo's perspective. If the tools we use to restore Super Mario Bros. 35 can also be used to crack Tears of the Kingdom, they don't want those tools in our hands.
The more important point though is that it is all cat-and-mouse, and the mouse is winning. We have those tools, and they can't fully stop it.
I'd never thought of it in these specific terms before, but the essentially educational and fear-ameliorating nature of your post led me to realize that it's likely that a lot of what Nintendo's doing with all of this legal barnstorming is essentially PR, and that's all it's meant to be.
They have little hope of actually winning cases or of doing anything more than cutting off one head of the hydra if they do, and all of their safeguards can be and will be worked around, repeatedly if necessary, so from a practical standpoint, they're fighting a losing battle. But all of their noise and aggressive posturing likely serves to scare a lot of less-informed gamers into not emulating in the first place, so it furthers their goals anyway.
Fuck me 10/10 response. Thank you that answered so many of my questions.
Maybe it’s just a coincidence that because I switched to Lemmy almost 2 years ago I started seeing more IT related news and thats why im seeing so many more articles about Nintendo shutting down as much pirated material as they can. Or is it that they only recently started this crusade? If so, do you have any more information as to why they started making this a priority in the past couple years?
And there are a few points why they are so active, first and foremost the IP law in Japan, which says (paraphrased) that IP that is not defended is fair game for everyone; then there is the technological fact that emulation of their systems is pretty easy performancewise nowadays in comparison to the naughts; and then there is the thing that if the few titles that are exclusives to nintendos system can easily played on other platforms (where they don’t see a dime), they will not be able to sell their hardware and therefore no games that are available on other platforms. Also, they have always stepped up their game when a new hardware generation comes out - can’t have people emulating the old platform when there’s new stuff to buy, ya see?
I await the day when someone at nintendo starts using his calculator and recognizes that selling their back catalogue games at 7,99 per game on pc and 10 bucks on all the other platforms would ensure a steady flow of income for much needed innovation; the switch is nice, but i can’t see where the switch 2 is a product that shows enough difference to the switch1 for massive sales.
You can say 9 out of 10 buying a raspberry pie are setring up retro pie for emulating, but 98 out of 100 people emulating aren’t using a raspberry pie to do it.
I mean the statement was heavily implied to be anecdotal to my experience but I’ll add to it by also saying I haven’t met a single person who runs an emulator console using anything but raspberry pi hardware.
What are the 98 out 100 people that you know using? Mini desktops?
You’re just speaking of dedicated emulator systems? I’d agree with those numbers of yours then. I was just speaking of what people use to emulate old games in general. Almost everyone just uses a pc, laptop, or cell phone. The numbers for dedicated systems that look like retro Gameboys and stuff like that are outnumbered by like 100 to 1.
I’ve decided that I’ll skip Nintendo consoles moving forward and just use emulation if there’s a game I really want. I’ll buy the cartridge to cover myself ethically and just put it in a drawer.
For real. What will a Switch 2 do that a Steam deck (or one of its several competitors) won’t? There are still switch emulators, and there will be switch 2 emulators.
I don’t buy physical objects and then agree to not own them. I don’t even like that shit with digital goods. I don’t need someones authorization to “allow” me to use what I buy as I see fit. If buying isn’t owning than pirating isn’t stealing.
Nintendo is such a shit company now. I’d be surprised if they ever innovate again. They’ll just sit around and sue and release mediocre to bad bullshit.
Half disagree. They’ve taken a lot of risks in the past with designs that other companies wouldn’t have. Things that didn’t always pan out well and became the butts of jokes.
But yes, they’ve been a litigious company with ties to the Yakuza that people frequently forget as well.
As of right now, it seems like the only way they can detect a hacked Switch is if its user goes online for a game in the emuNAND. I don’t think there is a way for them to detect emulating on PC, unless you’re like that streamer who publicly flouted Nintendo’s cease and desists
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