There’s not really any limits for content anymore. Look at Amazon’s The Boys.
The way you play Fallout / Skyrim / Bethesda games might end up being a perfect format for a television adaption.
You can have a main character and follow their travels in a really strange setting. You can have 1 off episodes with perticular styles much like the quests in the game. You can easily switch from a dark horror filled vault to a campy town the next episode. Kind of like the files would have lighter episodes then some really dark ones and occasionally an episode about the main characters.
Because the fallout universe has a lot to be explored you a smart writing team could do a lot.
Fallout is not a masterpiece of story telling or cinematography. It was written by non writers mostly. It’s not the godfather. It isn’t going to be hard for professional writers to make it work better than the games, and clearly they’re not fucking with the visual designs of the series.
If Howard is involved your can bet the show will be boring and cheesy as fuck.
I’m honestly shocked so many of you are giving this show a chance after the disaster of Fallout 76, Starfield’s mediocrity + the weird ass review controversy. It’s incredible how much loyalty a corp can command
I agree that their games have been shit for a while, I didn’t even think F4 was good, and NV demonstrated that Bethesda shouldn’t be the ones developing the series.
F3 was great at the time, but after playing NV, you can see that Bethesda is interested in creating a very railroaded experience (pun not intended).
However, I think a TV show might be fine, seeing as though the stories of Fallout haven’t been bad; it has just been bad mechanically.
I didn’t realize Jonathan Nolan was a showrunner. The first season of Westworld was brilliant. And Walton Goggins is good in everything. I’ll give it a shot.
TV shows/movies based on games are usually just a cash grab that play on people’s love of the source materia
I really disagree on that. Most recent videogame adaptions have been pretty awesome: Arcane, Cyberpunk Edgerunners, Last of Us, Castlevania. Sure there are some stinkers out there, but the quality really went up in the last years.
I thought this trailer looked fantastic, I don’t know what the rest of you all are smoking. As a fallout fan it was more than enough to get me excited for the series, also Walton Goggins as a ghoul chefs kiss.
That was my impression too. The costumes and CG seemed a bit goofy to me. But then again, so did the original Witcher trailer, and that ended-up looking mostly fine when I actually watched it, so…
It’s west coast fallout by Bethesda, and I really don’t know how I expect them to handle the established material. I hope they do justice to what’s been written already
That said, I thought the first few seconds right up until Dogmeat started eating the Radroach looked pretty mid. I got really psyched and excited when I saw the BoS power armor
People need to remember that fallout isn’t the last of Us or god of war, fallout is a cool series with a cool world, but it’s not a masterpiece of story telling and writing. These showrunners aren’t making Lord of the rings over here, it’s not gonna be hard to make a decent show based in an established world.
They’re keeping the aesthetic and design, so I’m happy. But so many people don’t have a nuanced opinion anymore, and a show is either a perfect 10 or it’s “unwatchable garbage”. I’ve seen and loved shows that I give a solid 8 to, but anything below a nine gets called “shit” these days.
What? It’s almost universally accepted that New Vegas is one of the greatest RPGs of all time. Go through any “top RPGs of all time” list and you’re pretty much guaranteed to find New Vegas there, usually in the top half of the list.
Those clickbait bot written posts have a bigger significance than your “No it’s not lmao”. I’m gonna side with the bots rather than some self-important contrarian.
I can’t really think of a worse way to spend my time. Just go explore bro. If new Vegas is fantastic to you there’s a whole world of gold out there to find.
Go explore what exactly? That is literally what I was asking. What are those exceptional games that I’ve missed in my 20+ years of gaming that turn New Vegas into a turd? But if you can’t be bothered then just say you have shit taste and don’t know what you’re talking about and we can end it there.
Haha, look at you. So angry because of some slight criticism of your little game. Is Fallout New Vegas with you in the room right now? Blink if you need help. For your sanity sake I want to point out I literally called it a good game. You can stop stomping your angry little feet now.
Because I’m talking to an AI. No intelligent thought, just words strung together to make a sentence. Really, your last 5 comments on this thread have literally no substance. You could’ve written “Goo Goo Gaga” every time and it would’ve been just as informative as what you actually wrote.
Greatest action RPGs, perhaps. But even that has little bearing on TV show writing, since the important writing aspect of RPGs is the mass of options, not the actual writing itself.
Wheel of Time is not bad imo. At least not season 2. The thing with that series is that it’s not possible to adapt every single thing from 14 books to 8 seasons with 8 episodes. I went into it as a new turn of the Wheel, and while the first season didn’t do much for me, with the second one I can actually see the beginnings of something that can become really good. I’m cautiously optimistic about the coming seasons now.
The thing with that series is that it’s not possible to adapt every single thing from 14 books to 8 seasons with 8 episodes.
Completely fair, but when they spend entire episodes on things that could have been easily and faithfully reduced to a 10 minute scene, or spent more than half of the first season on “who’s the dragon? it’s such a mystery!!” when that wasn’t even a plot point of the first book. It’s a fair argument, but not when they completely squandered their available screentime on frivolous things. At that point it’s just a cop-out.
I went into it as a new turn of the Wheel
I get this was the approach of a lot of viewers, but when you have to do personal mental gymnastics to justify liking the way the adaptation was done, then you’ve already admitted that it’s bad. And forget things like the order of events and such. I’m talking about radically changing the world rules, how the One Power works, and characters assassinations. Rand is supposed to be one of the most gentle and caring people alive. To the point that was slowly driving himself mad with trying to keep everyone safe and alive. The effort to do the right thing was breaking him inside and it’s one of the major aspects of his character. And then in the show he murders a guy to get into the hospital where Logain was living. Nope, I have no interest. I have the books and I can enjoy those.
Rings of power was alright once you accepted it’s just a completely different adaptation with no connection to the previous films. And is also not being true to the books to a T. It’s far enough away from the events that I love in that world that I can separate it enough and still enjoy it.
I still would’ve preferred a more page by page adaptation of the Hobbit onwards though, especially the hobbit since it’s my favourite LOTR book.
No it isn’t. It’s terribly written. The speech of Sauron to Galadriel was something a five year old wrote. Galadriel just jumped into the middle of the ocean? Also she took a pyroclastic blast right to the face and doesn’t even have a scratch? Whereas other characters are fully blinded.
And all the changes, which each on their own might be forgivable, but there where just so many that it all added up to something off-feeling and weird. It would be like shifting each note in a Mozart piece by a little in different directions, and then listening to the whole thing wouldn’t be pleasant. This is another one of those things where they made changes for sake of change or to fit a particular story/reveal they wanted to write. Tolkien’s works were already a masterpiece, what was the benefit in changing it? At best it adds absolutely nothing to the final product itself, and at worse just makes the whole legendarium muddied and disjointed.
For example, when the show took place Aman was not cut off from Middle-Earth yet. Specifically because it was cut off after Sauron poisoned the hearts of the Numenoreans and convinced them to attack the Valar and invade Aman. As a punishment Eru Illuvitar sunk Numenor into the sea and made all of Middle-Earth “round”, so that sailing west would just bring them back around to the other side of Middle-Earth. So to get to Aman after that required sailing through a special path that only the Elves knew about, which is what we see in the show. But before the sinking of Numenor, anyone could sail west to Aman. And, IIRC, in the show we actually see a glimpse of Aman in the distance of one of the Numenorean ships. They regularly would see the shores of Aman in the far distance and wonder about it.
So if Aman was only reachable by the secret path, why could the Numenoreans see it from their ships? But in either case, this is a huge change in the lore and order of events. It might not matter to the casual viewer, but to fans of Tolkien (the people who are the hype-men for these kinds of stories, and generally the reason shows like this ultimately get green-lit) it doesn’t make sense and breaks the story.
You might want to re-read what I said cause I agree with a lot of that. Accepting it’s so different that I don’t even consider it a part of lord of the rings is what allowed me to enjoy my time watching it.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to shoot you down or anything. I just really didn’t like Rings of Power. There were things I did like, such as Durin and his wife (although all Durin’s are supposed to be black-haired). But overall I think it’s terrible.
Kind of a random though but do you think we will ever see shows done in a more connected way? I mean as of now, all the shows are always done in secret. Why not involve fans in the process? Publish videos from the set as you film and get feedback? Publish scripts, test footage and so on. Yes, the element of surprise would be lost but wouldn’t it be nice to see how the show is made and they see the final product? And maybe even influence it a little bit? I would love something like that. What do you think?
Edit: interesting. Looks like only I would be interested in seeing how a show is made.
The only reason we watch shows is to get the story. Being spoiled ruins the whole idea of the show. Besides: Even though some showrunners miss the mark, most of the fans ideas of what might come instead are mostly terrible.
Yeah, I don’t know. In the age of remakes, reboots and huge franchises can we really say that we watch shows for the story? Is any of the Marvel movies about the story? You always now how it will end. If you read the script of Guardians of the Galaxy would it really spoil the movie? I think those movies are actually more about ‘being involved’. Same as Star Trek or Star Wars. It’s about following, being a fan. Story is the weakest part of those movies. It’s all about CGI, action sequences and ‘fan stuff’ like callbacks, references and so on. I think showing what’s happening on the green screen wouldn’t actually spoil anything and would be really interesting to the fans.
And regarding fans ideas Sonic comes to mind. They released the trailer, fans complained and it got fixed.
But I not saying that all the shows should be made like this. For some (most?) I wouldn’t work. I’m just saying… wouldn’t it be interesting to see the entire process for a show like this?
There’s evidence that people like stuff just as much even if they know what’s gonna happen, kind of like how placebos often work even if you tell the person.
I think part of why creators don’t include fans in the process is to avoid the possibility of a lawsuit like “I said there should be a super-mutant/brotherhood of steel secret relationship, and they used my idea! I’m entitled to money!”
No not really. There’s a reason you hire experts to do a job and I for instance hates it if someone try’s to explain to me, a designer, what a good design is…
Developers don’t use early access to get feedback on lore, world-building and visual aesthetic. They get feedback on gameplay balance and bugs. A movie/TV studio doesn’t have gameplay, it’s all visual. Apples to oranges comparison
Yes but aren’t game developer experts on gameplay balance? Why would they listen to feedback from some amateurs? It’s the same with movies. People who designed Sonic for the movie were also experts, right? Yet they listed to feedback.
I don’t want to give away too much if you haven’t been playing Fallout since the very beginning but the NCR is not started until years after the first game when a person the vault dweller helps, organizes their village to become the New California Republic.
We don’t know when this vault opens. It hasn’t been mentioned in previous games so it might have opened and failed before anything else from series starts or it will take place many years later and we just haven’t seen the NCR and the other factions in the teasers.
True so some time after the Arroyo incident, the brotherhood would have taken vertibird tech from the enclave after the chosen one took them down for the first time.
This assumes the writers for the show give two shits about the lore. They might only use the lore as set dressing for generic post apocalyptic trash.
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