I remember Retro City Rampage had an homage to this sequence near the end of the game. No lie: I broke out into a cold sweat when the screen first came up, thinking I’d have to grind and grind and grind to get through it.
Luckily the homage is much, much easier than the original.
I was scrolling to find this post. I used to be able to beat that level on command a gazillion years ago. I retried it recently on the turtles anthology game on the ps5 and it was brutal even with the rewind feature.
This goes to Geometry Dash without a doubt in my mind if you include user-created levels, and I do as long as they’re officially rated with stars, especially if they’re e.g. in a Gauntlet (which a number of Easy and Medium Demons are).
If you allow in star-rated levels outside of Gauntlets, then I think it’s safe to say that Tidal Wave on its own crushes the difficulty of basically any video game ever made that’s ever been completed by a human. GD is an interesting case where you can make it as easy or as difficult as you want because there’s no true “ending” to the game (getting to the Demon Gauntlet is part of an actual storyline, but when you beat it, it goes nowhere, so that’s weird).
if you include games with user-created levels there’s quite a few games with levels that are practically impossible for a human, eg. trackmania and super mario world
As noted, “that’s ever been completed by a human”. Otherwise there’s simply no ceiling; I can just create a game that requires you to perform 10 frame-perfect inputs every frame for five months straight and say “now I have the hardest game since it’s technically possible to win; checkmate.” With user-made levels, there’s still a ceiling defined by a human actually completing it, and I don’t think the human-beaten Mario Maker or Trackmania levels touch the extreme levels of difficulty at the highest skill levels of GD.
TL;DR: I think if we include user-made levels ever beaten unassisted by at least one human, Geometry Dash wins.
Do we have any evidence, though, that ChainChompBraden was exceptionally skilled and well-practiced going into this? Because to my understanding, the level ID for Trials of Death hasn’t yet been made available, meaning Braden is the only one who was able to attempt this. Meanwhile, Tidal Wave was and has been available for literally anyone, and despite being the most prestigious level in a game where people pour tens of thousands of hours into beating near-impossible levels, it’s only been beaten by two other people since it was verified last year, and these are the three best players in the game each with several tens of thousands of attempts on this level (they have god knows how many tens of thousands of hours of practice from other levels of similar but lesser difficulty).
Kaizo Mario can introduce some complexity that GD can’t by having more than one type of input, but GD’s hardest levels are so insanely precise (Mario Maker’s 60 FPS or anything even near it would render top-level GD play essentially impossible) that even though these both push the limits of what humans can physically achieve, GD seems more difficult at its highest level of play.
Tbf, tons of nes and snes/Sega games were crazy hard. It hid how short they were. Like, Altered Beast is a game that no one ever beat on the Sega without using like a game genie. The entire game is only like 15 or 20 minutes long, though. Tmnt and battle battletoads were just super popular games you couldn’t beat.
Battletoads has nothing on Ghosts 'n Goblins! I can at least play Battletoads until the stupid vehicle jumping section. I don’t think I’ve ever even made it more than like 3 checkpoints into Ghosts 'n Goblins
Considering they released at least 5 Armored Core games before even their very first souls-like, Demon’s Souls, which was not widely played, I am inclined to disagree.
Honestly, if you go back and play the older souls games after Elden Ring, you’ll see that they’re a lot easier than Elden Ring, unless you summon Mimic Tear for every boss fight, I guess. But on a “player vs boss” scale, the fights in the older games are much easier than some of the later ones in Elden Ring (especially if you factor in the DLC).
The thing that makes Elden Ring much easier is the fact that there is always somewhere else the player can make progress. In Dark Souls, you follow a more or less linear path and if you felt underleveled you had to grind enemies because you could not make any further progress until you pass where you got stuck. In Elden Ring, you can go to a different area completely and make a bit more progress there. From Limgrave, the player can choose to go to Stormveil, skip Stormveil and go to Liurnia Lake, go to Southern Limgrave, or go to Caelid if they’re a psycopath. This is in addition to all the helpers From has given players. Strong magic (compared to Souls games), Summons that are available to the player literally anywhere on top of the same Gold Message Summons from the Souls games, two moves that give players i-frames, etc.
Sure, if you play it like its a Souls game then it might seem hard, but if you play it as the action adventure RPG it is designed to be, the game is significantly easier than Souls games.
I get what you’re saying, but I feel like you’re way underselling how hard the Elden Ring bosses are compared to the Dark Souls bosses (the actual bosses, not the re-used late-game enemies with bigger health pool in random dungeons). I don’t think there’s a single Dark Souls boss that comes anywhere close to any of the bosses from Morgoth and onward (Fire Giant excluded, obviously). Morgoth, Godfrey, Radagon, Malenia, and all the DLC bosses are much harder than anything the Souls series has seen (unless you count broken/janky mechanics like Witch of Izalith’s garbage-tier hitboxes).
I suppose, but the player could very easily overlevel themselves to make the bosses very easy in Elden Ring. Can’t do that without a big, boring, repetitive time investment in Dark Souls, farming the same enemies in the same location.
Nah Sekiro is great. Sometimes I just pull it up and play it a couple of days because it’s so satisfying. I think Sword Saint Isshin is supposed to be the hardest boss, and it definitely takes a lot of runs until you have him memorized. But on NG+ I first-, or second-tried him. I think all Sekiro bosses are pretty chill once you know them.
Consort Radahn however… I don’t know if I have the will to ever struggle through this fight again
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