lol, it’s Jared Petty… I’ve not seen a single positive preview or review from him since he started doing IGN articles. No hate to the guy, I liked when he did Kindafunny content back in the day, seems like a genuinely nice dude… but… this doesn’t seem like a game he’d like (he’s more of a retro games and RPG kind of guy). Also IGN has plummeted in my expectations with a lot of the drama as of late (people quitting and corporate ownership). I played a few rounds this morning, loving it so far, but I’ve also been pumped for this game for a long time! So I’m definitely biased and I’ve also not played enough to say it’s AMAZING! But I have watched multiple people play (JackFrags and OperatorDrewski were both great) and I’d suggest you watch those instead of taking an IGN article from this dude as your final opinion.
Live service, sure, since that’s the entire point of live service, but we’re spoiled for choice of fantastic games across different scopes and scales that don’t have any microtransactions at all.
I think you’re having trouble finding the good stuff in the first place then. We’re flooded with more great games than ever. And microtransactions are one thing, but something like a DLC expansion isn’t pressuring you to buy it if you like the base game. Even still, if you had a problem with the existence of any DLC for a game whatsoever, there’s still tons to play.
Oh, if you’re going to ignore the problem that is DLC then we’re just going to have to agree to disagree.
I wait until games are finished before pirating them. There are plenty of good games these days now, but almost all of them have microtransactions and/or DLC.
I’m not particularly interested in most indie titles, which is where a lot of the disconnect comes between me and the average PC gamer.
Is DLC a problem if a game had been “finished” for years and then they go back and make one for an old game? It’s been known to happen. I don’t see it as a problem, because it’s arbitrary. In many ways, a DLC can be reactionary for what a game needs after they’ve had time to observe the completed thing. It also depends on your definition of indie, since there’s as wide of a range in production value among games called “indie” as there is among “AAA”. Kingdom Come: Deliverance II probably cost one tenth what the next Grand Theft Auto cost to make, and a game like Indika or Clair Obscur could fool plenty of people into thinking they were made by enormous teams.
But like I said, even if I filtered for games without any sort of DLC, there’s still tons to play.
That depends on what you’re looking for. From this year alone, there’s Split Fiction, Avowed, and Knights in Tight Spaces, and I haven’t finished Blue Prince yet, but it’s pretty cool so far. What is it about indie titles, however you define that term, that doesn’t interest you? Because at this point, it’s most video games (AAA games take a long, long time to make these days), and that would go a long way toward explaining how you feel most good games have microtransactions, if you’re willing to ignore most good games.
I don’t like the trend of having to accept cheaper entertainment just so that the businesses behind it can make more money with less effort.
Games like God of War, Crash Bandicoot, Metal Gear Solid, those all take monumentally more effort to make than indie games and it shows in the final results. I could get all philosophical on ‘what makes good art,’ but I don’t think that’s the discussion you’re trying to have.
You’re not accepting more expensive entertainment either. You’re pirating it. None of these games were made with less effort; they’re typically just made by fewer people. Adding more people to the project doesn’t make the game any better, or else Ubisoft games would be the greatest games ever made. I think I see why you’ve got this perspective that’s completely divorced from reality. Yes, most games have microtransactions if you completely disregard most games. I’d encourage you to give some of those games you’re ignoring a try.
You’re not accepting more expensive entertainment either. You’re pirating it.
Buying it is unrelated to accepting it.
None of these games were made with less effort; they’re typically just made by fewer people.
I respectfully disagree.
I think I see why you’ve got this perspective that’s completely divorced from reality.
Lol, what? I think you’re just getting upset at me because I don’t like the low-effort games you enjoy.
Yes, most games have microtransactions if you completely disregard most games.
Right, and most of the games that interest you don’t interest me.
I’d encourage you to give some of those games you’re ignoring a try.
I’m good. You’re using me to try and justify your own enjoyment of what you spent your money on. It’s fine if you like things that I don’t like and vice-versa.
It’s fine if you’re completely ignorant of the great games that have come out lately, but I wouldn’t consider it admirable to be proud of being this ignorant about great games or how they’re made.
Lol. You think ‘blue prince’ took as much effort to make as Crash Fucking Bandicoot or Metal Gear Solid and I’m the one who is ignorant about great games and how they’re made?
I’m guessing you never even played those games so you have no point of reference. You should try emulating them, then you can experience what it’s like to play great games completely free of charge. Heck, you might even raise your standards as a result going forward.
The Metal Gear Solid games are some of my favorites, and I’ve played all of them. If you’re referring to the PS1 Crash Bandicoot games, those were made with similar team sizes and “levels of effort” as most games that would be called “indie” are today, for very similar economic reasons. Blue Prince was made over the course of 8 years largely by one person, and I guarantee you he wasn’t trying to find a way to make bank by doing little effort; a famous development talk pointed out that people getting into game development to make big bucks with little effort would have been better off opening a Subway franchise instead. Balatro was also made largely by one person, and it was a nominee for Game of the Year last year. Split Fiction was made with a team size and project scope reminiscent of MGS2 or 3, and it too will be a Game of the Year contender.
The Metal Gear Solid games are some of my favorites, and I’ve played all of them.
Then you should be able to recognize the monumental difference on both an individual and group level that goes into making a game like Metal Gear Solid vs. the games you mentioned. You should also be able to recognize the difference in quality between a game like Metal Gear Solid and all of the games you mentioned.
If you’re referring to the PS1 Crash Bandicoot games, those were made with similar team sizes and “levels of effort” as most games that would be called “indie” are today
You haven’t even played the games I mentioned. How on earth would you know? Also, take a look at the credits of Crash Bandicoot, and learn something about how games are made. 84 people, including the publisher and marketing. Naughty Dog itself was only 9 people. Here’s Indika, a cinematic puzzle/story game, not a far cry from 2018’s God of War without the combat, an indie game from last year; the development studio dwarfs Naughty Dog from the 90s. UFO 50 is an indie game from last year that has 50 full, new, original games contained in it, designed to portray a fictional game development studio’s catalog from the 80s. It was made by 6 people over the course of 7 years. And I’m clueless, huh?
Yes, very. So clueless in fact anybody who has any idea of the actual effort that went into the development of Crash Bandicoot, not just ‘team numbers,’ would laugh at you.
I’m glad you’re so committed. Your commitment keeps giving me more reasons why you shouldn’t be taken seriously. It’s really just funny to me at this point.
Man, reading the complaints people have really shows how bad the average poe player is. I blasted the whole campaign with 2 skills and did so much quicker than the release season.
The QOL changes they made are nice though, much appreciated.
Maybe see what player counts look like in a few months before making great and grand plans? People want a fresh take on The Sims, but maybe without the backlog of a hundred DLCs and other EA shittery. But, inZOI may not be it. Apart from the pervasive and distasteful use of generative AI, it may just not have that special something.
So give it a while, lads. Maybe it really will be a hit, but sales in the first week mostly just say that people wanted a fresh swing at The Sims, not that they really want what inZOI is.
if you guys have any interest in context, theres a great ‘history of nintendo’ on the ‘Acquired’ podcast, starting with gambling cards for the Yakuza in the like 1800s.
My philosophy is that Civ 5 and Civ 6 are just fine. My friend was going to buy 7 on release and I was like “yeah, but you can just go play Civ 6. It’s not like it’s a bad game just because the new one is out.” And I’m glad I convinced him otherwise because of how “okay” Civ 7 has been so far. Nothing against the game, I just already have the last three Civ games with all DLC and there is still a mountain of content that we already have to play with each other.
So, Patch 8 is preparing for stress testing later this month (from what I’ve seen), so that would imply most development work is complete and they’re doing testing and bug fixing right now. That wouldn’t require most of their resources anymore.
Another great game ruined by gamers’ insistence on dick riding Gabe Newell and always giving Valve a 30% cut, no matter what.
Will anyone self reflect on whether they’re being a dumbass and hurting the entire gaming industry by insisting on only using Steam cause that’s all they’ve ever used?
No. They’ll yell at Epic and Remedy for not wanting to give 30% of their revenue to Valve.
Respectfully, using Epic means using yet another platform. I have games spread across Steam, GOG, itch, Amazon, Ubisoft, and probably at least one more. If I buy a game on Epic, chances are I'll forget about it, so I don't bother.
This isn't to mention that the one game I do have on Epic, GTA V, has 3 different launchers when used through Epic (when it wants to actually open). It doesn't do anything Steam doesn't and doesn't do many of the things Steam does. I don't even really love Steam either, because it crashes constantly on Debian for me, but I already have 500+ games there and it's got ~20 years on Epic. I'm also a Linux user, so Proton is essentially one of the only ways I can reliably play most of my library.
Platform lock-in should be a consideration for companies, even though it sucks, because it's an objective reflection of the reality of the games industry. Remedy knew that they would have fewer players going Epic-exclusive but seemed to underestimate to what degree that might hurt sales; this past couple of years have been sort of bad for the average person, so maybe they used previous sales data that didn't really account for lower levels of consumer spending.
The game wouldn't have been a massive success even with 30% more money than what they ended up earning. They didn't want to pay the fee so they didn't, that's their choice and they were free to make it; the result isn't Valve's fault, they weren't involved at all. When it's on GOG or Steam, maybe I'll buy it on sale, but at this point there's no reason to lock myself into another janky platform. I did this with Control: the GOG version of Control is great and I don't have to use Epic.
I hear what you’re saying, but gamers in this thread (and every thread), are demanding that it come out on Steam, not on GOG, which makes them a huge part of the problem.
Lock in exists partially because gamers have lionized Valve for throwing them trinkets and refuse to use anything else, while Valve has designed their platform around a mandatory launcher and done what they can to lock players into it.
If you check this list and this list, many games on Steam will actually launch without Steam running. I don't think I can say the same for a lot of other platforms, excluding GOG and itch, of course.
I don't disagree with you about why it exists and that it's bad, but the fact remains that it does exist and Remedy and Epic, as companies, need to face that when making these decisions and factor that into sales projections accordingly. They should have known what they were getting into, and forcing people into using Epic isn't really the answer to the lock-in problem anyway.
I don’t want to use Windows, but play on my Linux Gaming PC. This works really nice because of the work, Valve does on Proton and gives back to Wine. GoG is cool, but they don’t help in regards to this. The Epic fucks (hehe) are actually hostile towards Linux, so before I would buy there, I would pirate their games or just not play the game at all.
When the Steam enshittification starts, I will be one of the first to say fuck them, too.
If I buy the game on Epic, I’m given no assurance that the game will continue to work for me on Linux. Others will have different issues with the service that Epic offers. I’m not going to buy from Epic just because Valve has reached some threshold of market saturation.
I can barely run steam and the games I bought on steam at the same time, which is required for most games. Steam disabled certain features and bloated the software – their launcher takes more resources than actual games. AAA games. (From a decade ago, but still.)
Other launchers might be garbage but the bar seems to be pretty low. Only thing anyone can say is “get a better computer” because in their mind that is a great rebuttal to “why is a game tied to a launcher which takes up 4x as many resources as my entire OS?”
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