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tatann, do games w Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Tops 4.4 million sales - IGN

Can’t wait to get in on GOG 🤞

romanticremedy, do games w Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Tops 4.4 million sales - IGN

Would love to play but Silksong was released. Will buy something like GotY edition when it releases

andrewkfb, do games w Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Tops 4.4 million sales - IGN

Congratulations to the team! Can’t wait to play it for myself someday 🙏🥳

pdqcp,
andrewkfb,

Absolutely 👍 sold my gaming pc awhile ago, now I’m waiting to see what Valve is cooking so I can catch up on my backlog 🎮🥳

catalyst, do games w Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Tops 4.4 million sales - IGN
@catalyst@lemmy.world avatar

Easily my game of the year.

jordanlund, do games w Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Tops 4.4 million sales - IGN
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Picked it up on Saturday, finally! For some reason it’s been super hard to find!

pressanykeynow,

I envy you.

fluckx, do games w Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Tops 4.4 million sales - IGN

Worth every goddamn cent I paid for it.

bjoern_tantau,
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

I was a !patientgamers and only bought it after the release discount was gone.

magic_lobster_party, do games w Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Tops 4.4 million sales - IGN

Currently playing it right now. I’m constantly amazed how good the game is. It deserves all the praise.

lmorchard, do games w Hollow Knight: Silksong Sparks Debate About Difficulty and Boss Runbacks
@lmorchard@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

There are mods and cheats for this game already—and they even run on Linux. I turn 50 next month: though I’m still playing, I don’t have as much time for gaming as I used to and my reflexes aren’t what they were. I haven’t entirely removed the challenge with mods, but I feel no shame in tweaking this game to go easier on me and chew up less of my time as punishment for failure. I wish they had these as accessibility options built-in, but I’m fine with hacking it.

Anybody telling me I should “git gud” can pound sand: I’m already good at a bunch of things that get me a paycheck. I play games so I can relax and be terrible at something for fun. I’m certainly not playing for bragging rights.

Lifter,

I think this game is not for you then.Harfd games are hard so that you can feelproufd of yourself after completing something hardet than you though you could. You may not complete the story but if you “git gud” you may actually enjoy it more.

Some games are not meant to be relaxing. Why would you even play a hard game if you want something easy?

I’m very provoced by this. Sorry.

Highlandcow, do games w Hollow Knight: Silksong Sparks Debate About Difficulty and Boss Runbacks

Sigh this shit again, if it’s the creators decision to have a game with finely tuned hard difficulty, so be it, that’s the creators creative decision and it should be respected

EnsignWashout,

I can accept stupid decisions. I don’t have to respect them.

chonglibloodsport,

Respect is a weird word. It seems to have 2 nearly opposite meanings (kind of like literally):

  1. Deep admiration for someone or something for their abilities, qualities, or achievements
  2. Due regard for the feelings, wishes, or rights of others

So the first one implies that respect must be earned. The second implies that everyone must be respected by default (their due regard), thus respect is unearned.

Machinist,
@Machinist@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve always heard:

Respect is given, not earned.

Trust is earned and easy to lose.

Don’t confuse politeness with respect.

Highlandcow,

No you don’t, so you can either mod the game or not play the game right?

BilliamBoberts,

“death of the author” suggests some of the author’s intent is lost when a work is consumed by the audience.

Highlandcow,

To a degree I guess as the audiences own experiences will determine there own interpretation of the work, but in this situation I don’t think someone’s own experiences is going to impact too much the fact that silksong is hard as nails at points

ModernRisk, do games w Hollow Knight: Silksong Sparks Debate About Difficulty and Boss Runbacks

People have nothing better to do than complain, I suppose. Don’t like the game? Don’t play it. The game is good, imo.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

What about people who like the game but have criticisms? This is the time to discuss it.

desmosthenes, do games w Hollow Knight: Silksong Sparks Debate About Difficulty and Boss Runbacks
@desmosthenes@lemmy.world avatar

glad poe 2 added sprinting

BananaIsABerry,

Tangentially related but I agree. It makes the long run through sections of the campaign more bearable.

On a more related note, POE2 has checkpoints practically on top of the bosses during the story so you can bash your head against it as much as you want. The only time you’re punished for dying is endgame bosses.

Treczoks, do games w Hollow Knight: Silksong Sparks Debate About Difficulty and Boss Runbacks

Kids crying because a game is not a walkthrough? Maybe they should play something more suitable for their age group.

LettyWhiterock,
@LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world avatar

Why people resort to insulting anyone who criticizes things they like

Treczoks,

It’s not about me liking it or not. I don’t even have that game. The point is that one should play games fitting ones abilities. There are people who will master this game, like I mastered Elite about forty years ago. Complaining about a game being difficult is either they overestimated their abilities, or they lack perseverance.

For the rest, there is always tictactoe or animal crossing.

LettyWhiterock,
@LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world avatar

Well whether you like it or not, you’re just insulting people for criticizing a game. Not even just for it’s difficulty, so you couldn’t be more off base.

Legitimately this mindset is why most gaming forums are so toxic. It makes it difficult to actually discuss problems with and opinions on games without people basically going “git gud.”

There is room to bring up the fact that some games are just not for everyone, but that also doesn’t invalidate the criticism they have.

SeriousMite,

Seems to me it’s usually “kids” that don’t mind difficult games. I’m in my 40s and I don’t have the time or inclination anymore to replay a boss for hours on end, but when I was younger I loved a challenge like that and would usually set difficulty to hard.

missingno, do games w Hollow Knight: Silksong Sparks Debate About Difficulty and Boss Runbacks
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

I haven't played Silksong yet, in part because truthfully, Hollow Knight was alright but not my favorite Metroidvania. The one thing I really disliked about the original was the runbacks. I remember getting stuck on one platforming section, and I could easily get to the halfway point where I kept dying to retrieve my money, but then drop it again because there was no turning back from this halfway point, had to keep trying to finish it. I wanted to just explore a different part of the map and come back to this section later, but sunk cost fallacy forced me to keep bashing my skull against it.

Which then felt like this mechanic conflicted with the exploration I expect from a Metroidvania. That's the real problem IMO.

subignition,
@subignition@fedia.io avatar

You yourself admit it's a fallacy! This isn't exactly a "skill issue" situation, but in future efforts on these kind of games you might try being more thoughtful about when to take a break and spend accumulated currency.

Although as others have pointed out elsewhere in the thread, learning to accept not retrieving your stuff is sometimes necessary too. I lost around 1500 at a certain boss by getting too cocky trying to fight enemies on the runback instead of skipping them, and it took me a while to make peace with it lol.

If you do end up playing Silksong you should know that there is a mechanic specifically addressing this, where you can convert your currency into consumable items at a bit of a loss to keep them across deaths.

missingno,
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

I do not like the idea of a mechanic that punishes me if I do choose to explore somewhere else in a genre that is supposed to be about exploration.

subignition,
@subignition@fedia.io avatar

There are mechanisms in both games that allow you to remotely retrieve your body if you are desperate not to lose it. Hollow Knight is definitely less forgiving than Silksong in this respect though.

missingno,
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

Not having the mechanic to begin with would be better than a thing that merely makes it less bad, because even then there's still an opportunity cost.

subignition,
@subignition@fedia.io avatar

Exploration is a task that has inherent difficulty in the genre, it's uncommon to have actual points of no return as you describe, but if you can't see through a particular segment to the next checkpoint, yeah sometimes giving up will cost you. An actual point of no return probably means you're on the cusp of a sweet new ability though.

KombatWombat,

I am returning to Hollow Knight thanks to the Silksong hype. I had dropped it before because I was unsure where I needed to go to progress and was getting sick of running around the map trying to figure out which paths were actually available to me and which needed some equipment I didn’t have. Well, I did figure it out and basically have everything important unlocked so now I am enjoying it again.

If you do pick it up again, I have some advice. First, there’s a relic in an area called the Hive that will give you passive health regen if there’s a long enough gap between instances of damage. This means you can keep messing up a platforming section and as long as you don’t rush it you can heal back after messing up without needing new sources of soul. Second, there are some sections that are traversable with minimal equipment but become trivial with more. Deepnest was really annoying to me when I went through it and I frankly would have probably enjoyed it if I had one really helpful item unlocked (or even just a bit more health). Third, don’t worry too much about money. Normal enemies don’t give you much from farming and I think I’ve run out of stuff to spend it on mostly from other sources. So don’t be afraid to let it go. If you’ve unlocked the fast travel thing, just head back to vendors when you’ve noticed you accumulated a decent amount.

Like I said, I’m enjoying the game again after years away, but I really wish they had a better way of letting you know where you should go next and what isn’t available to you. Needing to go through zones again to check if something is now unlocked or not is tiresome. The pins help but they are not enough, and I didn’t think to reserve certain colors for certain types of obstacles the first time.

missingno,
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

I did finish the original. But I remained annoyed with this mechanic the whole time.

Auth, do games w Hollow Knight: Silksong Sparks Debate About Difficulty and Boss Runbacks

I dont think there is any conversation to be had about an easy mode or boss runbacks. Any time this small dev team spends on an easy mode is time wasted IMO.

If its to hard you can play another game. I see this the same as people demanding a complex movie be changed to be easier to understand. Its just a dumb complaint and im sick of seeing these people flood every comment section of every slightly challenging game.

Feathercrown,

The difference between “I don’t like this” and “this is bad” is too often overlooked

thatKamGuy,

I’m ok with there being a conversation on this topic, even if the arguments devolve to ‘waaah’ vs. ‘git gud’.

Ultimately though, I agree that a small dev team shouldn’t have to focus on a game-mode outside their vision - and any such demand for an easy-mode or other additions can and should be left up to mod makers.

It’s a single-player game, so in the end how the individual user wants to play is how they should be able to play.

ExtraMedicated, do games w Hollow Knight: Silksong Sparks Debate About Difficulty and Boss Runbacks

I haven’t played this yet, so I don’t know anything about what difficulty settings it may or may not have But in general, I see difficulty settings as an accessibility feature.

I liked the way that Ender Magnolia did it, where, at a save point, you could adjust several settings to customize the difficulty. I was able to temporarily make it slightly easier just for a few bosses that I lost my patience for.

Coelacanth,
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Mandragora had the exact same difficulty system, you could adjust enemy HP, Damage and even Stamina cost at every bonfire. Great accessibility feature.

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