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missingno, do games w Ex PlayStation exec says Sony can't keep "increasing the graphics power" with new consoles after tech plateau, but PS5 has already "made almost every game a better game"
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

I want shorter games with worse graphics made by people who are paid more to work less and I'm not kidding.

its_kim_love,

Generally games where people had fun making them feel better to play.

Ephera,

Yeah, for me it’s not even just the creative freedom, but an actual fuzzy feeling that me and the devs are having fun together. Open-source games also hold a special place in my heart for that reason, no matter how scrungy they are.

Lost_My_Mind,

Have you heard of stardew valley? Made by one guy, 16 bit sprite pixelart, although he does still work his ass off.

Two outta three ain’t bad, right?

mnemonicmonkeys,

TBF, the dude has made millions off the game, and he doesn’t make the updates paid dlc. He just keeps adding to SDV because he loves it

frongt,

But most importantly, more fun!

Ephera,

Yeah, I might be showing my age, but my interpretation of “a better game” was right away “a more fun game”, which got followed up with the thought: Did it make them more fun?

I feel like we had fun figured out pretty well in the last century already. And in many ways, the higher specs are used to add realism and storytelling, which I know many people enjoy in their own way, but they’re often at odds with fun, or at least sit between the fun parts of a game.

Like, man, I watched a video of the newest Pokémon game and they played for more than an hour before the tutorial + plot exposition was over. Practically no fun occurred in that first hour.
Just imagine putting coins into an arcade cabinet and the first hour is an utter waste of time. You’d ask for your money back.

SilverCode,

I would love to buy a game at a reasonable price that I actually have a chance of finishing in a weekend, or maybe one marathon session. A game with a great story and good gameplay that isn’t drawn out over 30 hours.

As for graphics, I’m quite happy if they drop all the shiny new bullshit that you have to watch a Digital Foundry video on just to even know it exists in the game, and rather focus on a good art style.

And it goes without saying, pay the people who make the games more, and the mega corp CEO’s less.

prole,

Sayonara Wild Hearts… Only 1.5-2 hrs. Fun, good story, and outstanding music.

OrgunDonor,
@OrgunDonor@lemmy.world avatar

Shinobi: Art of vengeance. It is a 2D brawler with stages that end with a boss, but they have metroidvania elements to add value for replaying them. It is about 10 hours to go start to finish while doing a lot of the back tracking stuff. Simple story but incredible combat and good level design(only one level I thought was a bit meh), the art and animations are fantastic as well. Very much a new take on the old games, and has a demo to try as well.

teawrecks,

The “paid more to work less” part is not tenable. The games that fit that bill that you’re thinking of represent less than 1% of their peers. They are outliers, not a sustainable industry; the exception, not the rule. For every Silksong there are maybe 100 that make just enough to make ends meet, and 1000 duds that will never pay for themselves that you’ve never heard of.

What you’re saying is you want fewer steady incomes and more lottery winners. Sure, that’d be nice, but it’s not a sustainable strategy.

Ex. Wildgate launched recently. They deliberately opted to sell the game for a flat $30 rather than going F2P/P2W. As a result, they regularly get reviewed negatively by people saying “dead game, greedy devs won’t lower the price to compete with F2P games” and “the cosmetics you unlock by playing look better than the ones you can buy” (yes, there are people unironically posting those as negative reviews).

So at least understand why the most common strategy is often exploitative, and why it’s actually not a simple solution that a bunch of armchair experts have figured out in a comments section.

AwesomeLowlander,

The “paid more to work less” part is not tenable

We could have the major publishers and devs paying better salaries. They can afford it.

phoenixz,

I want a game that upon release is 70% finished

But I also even more want what you just said

Ugurcan,

Hey come play Bannerlord sometime!

vane,

bonk

frezik, do games w Ex PlayStation exec says Sony can't keep "increasing the graphics power" with new consoles after tech plateau, but PS5 has already "made almost every game a better game"

Moore’s Law was originally formulated as the cost per integrated component being cut in half every x months. The value of x was tweaked over the decades, but settled at 24.

That version of the law is completely dead. Density is still going up, but you pay more for it. You’re not going to build a console anymore for the same cost while increasing performance.

High end PC’s can still go up, but only by spending more money. This is why the only substantial performance gains the last few GPU generations has been through big jumps in cost.

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Important to note, the current chip fabrication process of 5nm is very close to limits imposed by the laws of physics. Unless a wholly different chip making process is invented that can go even smaller, we might be looking at the actual limit of the tech.

RedWeasel, do games w Ex PlayStation exec says Sony can't keep "increasing the graphics power" with new consoles after tech plateau, but PS5 has already "made almost every game a better game"

Doesn’t surprise to hear this. If Nvidia was really holding back, then AMD would have past them. I feel like they are starting to experience what the cpu side started seeing when they hit 4ghz and had to start chipping away at more clocks. It took longer as they are doing easily parallel operations, but it was bound to happen. I really wonder how both AMD and Nvidia will compare to their prior architectures next iteration. Will my 4080 still be faster than a 6070(ti)?

eleijeep,

If Nvidia was really holding back, then AMD would have past them.

Did you know that Jensen Huang and Lisa Su are cousins? AMD only makes graphics cards to protect NVIDIA from antitrust lawsuits.

LettyWhiterock,
@LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world avatar

Okay but hasn’t AMD been making GPUs long before she was with the company

troed, do games w Xbox ditching hardware and exclusive games "makes sense," former Microsoft exec and Blizzard boss says, as "only a moron would continue" making consoles as games go third party
@troed@fedia.io avatar

Hate to agree but yeah. We're buying everything for Steam now since we put a Steambox (Bazzite) in the gaming room. The PS5s are now just legacy boxes.

Truscape,

Yay! Make sure to check out some of the cool couch gaming indies - Enter the Gungeon and Duck Game are some of my favorites.

Lfrith,

That would be the case for techy people like us, but growing number of people cant handle anything more complicated than a phone OS these days that I think consoles will continue to have a purpose.

troed,
@troed@fedia.io avatar

I find SteamOS to be as un-complicated as any other modern console tbh.

victorz,

The complicated bit isn’t the OS, it’s installing it. A console comes preloaded with an OS. That’s what sets us apart from non-techy people.

troed,
@troed@fedia.io avatar

Ah ok, yeah. I expect there to be SteamOS/Bazzite boxes you can just purchase.

victorz,

That would be pretty dope! That’s even something someone can start a small business selling without needing a license, I guess! Take orders for hardware and then assemble and install a gaming environment based on Linux. Stoinks go brr!

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

By the numbers, that demographic appears to be shrinking, not growing. PC has grown while consoles have shrunk.

ShinkanTrain, do games w Xbox ditching hardware and exclusive games "makes sense," former Microsoft exec and Blizzard boss says, as "only a moron would continue" making consoles as games go third party
AwesomeLowlander, do games w Xbox ditching hardware and exclusive games "makes sense," former Microsoft exec and Blizzard boss says, as "only a moron would continue" making consoles as games go third party

This is the asshole who presided over a significant portion of the enshittification of both Xbox and Blizzard, so we know exactly what his opinion is worth

Agent_Karyo,

I would argue that this actually makes his opinion more relevant, as executive management is more likely to think like Ybarra, as opposed to someone that regrets the decline of Blizzard.

AwesomeLowlander, (edited )

Know your enemy corporate overlord, eh?

MeekerThanBeaker, do games w Xbox ditching hardware and exclusive games "makes sense," former Microsoft exec and Blizzard boss says, as "only a moron would continue" making consoles as games go third party

I would love it if I could play all my Xbox games on any PC that has the correct specs.

If I have to keep game pass to play the games I purchased then we’ll have a problem.

Truscape,

Emulation General Wiki Check the Xbox category section.

If you have physical media there are ways to rip them using a commodity DVD/Bluray drive so you can back them up, load them in the emulator, and prevent data rot on the actual disks.

If you’re asking for a direct way to play straight from an XBOX handheld (native play) that’s unlikely to happen for the 360 because of it’s unique architecture, and the Xbox One and beyond I believe have some significant departures from the standard x86 architecture that would make it impractical (it would be more logical to give you steam codes instead lol).

purplemonkeymad,

I kind hated whenever i was looking at solutions to running pc game pass games on my steam deck, everyone was like: “install edge it works on Linux, that will let you stream the game.”

Like, that was not what I was looking for. It also required you to go to a higher tier of sub.

Both happy and sad that I already canceled it.

givesomefucks, do games w Ex PlayStation exec says Sony can't keep "increasing the graphics power" with new consoles after tech plateau, but PS5 has already "made almost every game a better game"

Everyone’s different, and you can get used to a lot.

So some people might not be able to tell 90fps from 120fps, but I definitely notice. But if I played something at 90 for long enough, I’d get used to it and stop noticing how much worse it was from 120 fps.

I will say they don’t get near enough credit for not only adaptive triggers, but them working on damn near any game that appears on PlayStation even while on PC.

I bought a ps5 just for those triggers, and gave it away (but kept a controller) once it worked on PC.

That’s the direction Playstation needs to go. If they made a new controller with Hall Effect sticks and 4 back buttons they’d absolutely clean up. They came so close with the edge, but didn’t give a back button for half the face buttons. And went “replaceable” sticks that will eventually break instead of Hall Effect.

victorz,

Awesome take, all of it. 100% agree. I don’t own a PlayStation console, never have, but you make perfect sense.

lobut,

I can’t tell the diff in FPS performance. I wish I could.

When I got my PS5 and played some games I was like, wow the future is here! Turns out I was playing PS4 games. Also I turned on and off ray-tracing for SpiderMan and couldn’t tell either.

Dariusmiles2123,

Why would you wish to be highly sensitive to an increase/decrease in fps.

That’s just a curse and you should be happy you don’t have it.

You can just enjoy more games with a cheaper pc/console.

lobut,

lol, just to fit in with everyone 😂

Atropos,

I solve this by turning off my FPS counter, so I can no longer tell :)

garretble, do games w Ex PlayStation exec says Sony can't keep "increasing the graphics power" with new consoles after tech plateau, but PS5 has already "made almost every game a better game"
@garretble@lemmy.world avatar

Just make it a law that every game has to use the Decima engine because Death Stranding 2 runs at 60fps, loads in basically 1 second, and is a contender for best looking game of the generation.

Dariusmiles2123, do games w Ex PlayStation exec says Sony can't keep "increasing the graphics power" with new consoles after tech plateau, but PS5 has already "made almost every game a better game"

People are criticizing Playstation, but I’m still really happy to have a Playstation 5 alongside my Steam Deck.

As much as I love playing old games on the deck and it has now become my main console, I’m happy to have my Playstation 5 for demanding games (mostly sim racing) and to watch blurays.

Having a powerful PC would not bring me the versatility my Steam Deck/Playstation 5/Surface Go 1 is giving me for now.

Although that might change if the Playstation 6 comes without blurays.

I don’t understand why some PC people feel the need to say consoles are useless, when it’s only to them that they would be.

WALLACE,

I have a PC and PS5. I like my PS5 because I know when I buy a game for it, it’s going to work. On the other hand with my PC I have to triple check the specs and fiddle around with the graphics settings, and the only way I can have confidence that it will play any game is if I spend ~£1000 upgrading it. Or just get the game on the playstation.

SoftestSapphic, do games w Ex PlayStation exec says Sony can't keep "increasing the graphics power" with new consoles after tech plateau, but PS5 has already "made almost every game a better game"
@SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world avatar

Is this where we’re at?

It sounds like they don’t want another game to be made and we will just recycle the same classics in the current era’s standard of HD forever.

People don’t buy games to try out their new consoles, they buy consoles to play games

NuXCOM_90Percent, do games w Ex PlayStation exec says Sony can't keep "increasing the graphics power" with new consoles after tech plateau, but PS5 has already "made almost every game a better game"

They very much can. I haven’t checked personally but just look at the average Digital Foundry video for all the tradeoffs and framerate drops. There is very much a market for getting a stable 1440/60 (or even 4k/160) that can then be upscaled/framegened to 4k/120 with the subsequent generation moving towards that. Similarly, higher fidelity assets DO make a difference when you are doing those side by sides.

That said: Demnstrating framerate is a real challenge. Which… is probably why Sony have been revamping the PSN Store over the past year or so. Sidestep youtube and their increasing use of generative content so that you can instead say “Wow. I can totally see the difference between Red Dead on PS5 and PS6!” and so forth.

Do I personally care? Not overly so. But most people are picking which console they buy based on performance (or, more often, which their friends have) but are buying the new console for the new Madden. And they’ll keep doing that… if they can afford a PS6.

teawrecks, do games w A player before me destroyed a bridge in [the Tides of Tomorrow] demo, so I had to build it again in this narrative adventure where your choices have consequences for others

These comments are severely overestimating the level of autonomy players are given in this game. It’s just a branching story, where the branches one player is presented with are dependent on the branch another player chose. I imagine if only a single person plays this game, it will just make stuff up to make it seem like there are other players affecting the world.

Also, also the cynicism on Lemmy is a stale meta at this point. Be the change you wanna see or stfu.

ms_lane,

Be the change you wanna see or stfu.

I am, by not supporting these games financially, I’m hoping they crash and aren’t made anymore.

Live Service single player games are an abomination.

teawrecks,

How are you defining “live service single player” game? This is a narrative adventure game. I will be surprised if you ever actually interact with another player directly at all. The dev has said that it supports completely offline play.

Edit: the devs have also specifically said you won’t interact with other players in real time. It’s about as “multiplayer” as the bloodstains in dark souls, but if they had a bigger effect on your narrative.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

a player before you read a note and then jumped off a cliff. Now you get to watch it happen and laugh. Your laughter alerts the guards…

teawrecks,

Don’t give From ideas lol

Katana314,

I think this is why a certain scrolling shooter at the endgame of a certain game closely located to a tomato didn’t emotionally work for me. I can do the math - it can’t just throw that many other players at the problem to get me through the enemy ships, and the game needed to be playable off the internet since little else of it was online.

cheesorist,

the example you gave is not actual players and wasn’t meant to be actual players, some are made up names but some are possibly real usernames of players that have made the sacrifice at the end of the scroller shooter.

lath, do games w A player before me destroyed a bridge in [the Tides of Tomorrow] demo, so I had to build it again in this narrative adventure where your choices have consequences for others

This will fail because the mainstream players are toxic assholes. Then again, that result will be a success in itself, just not for the game.

BurgerBaron, do games w Persona 4 Revival is "shaping up nicely" – but it's "not just about adding more" content, because the JRPG devs "have to create an experience that's enjoyable in a new and different way"
@BurgerBaron@piefed.social avatar

It’s about doing the bare minimum and asking for $90.

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