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toiletobserver, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

Take them to small claims for theft. I’ll bet they don’t show up. Then they won’t pay you, so you get a court order and sheriff to recoup your money in assets. Take anything you want and put it on eBay. Collect your money.

Embargo, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

I have the fucking disc to prove I do own it, you arseholes.

Stovetop,

Sadly, the legal interpretation of copyright says you own the plastic, but not the data it contains. It sucks but it’s not just Ubisoft.

Embargo,

Well… I can’t say I’ll feel for them when they inevitably complain about myself and many others cracking their games.

catloaf, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

Literally just let people host private servers. It worked fine for decades, and still does.

imrighthere,

The HalfLife model worked exceedingly well, until gaben fucked it all up.

huppakee,
@huppakee@lemm.ee avatar

But then they don’t get money, and they really like getting money.

uis,

Wait until some blizzard empoyee comes out and tells how it is expensive for publisher to not pay for hosting.

base, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

The best part is they havent made a compelling game in 10 years. So i wont buy a game of them ever again either way. Its an easy life tbh.

ElectroVagrant, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

Ubisoft cannot complain when gamers “pirate” their games then.

If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t theft and all that.

p03locke,
@p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Goddammit… get the quote right:

If buying ain’t owning, piracy ain’t stealing.

Beacon,

Whose exact quote do you think you're quoting? Every time i hear this phrase it's always said the way OP said it, never the way you said it. Also please try to talk to people in a less pissy way

RightHandOfIkaros,

Piracy was never stealing, in so far as legality is concerned in the USA, at least.

Stealing requires the owner of the stolen thing to be deprived access of that thing. If someone steals your car, you cannot access it anymore, since it was removed from you by the thief.

Piracy copies your car, meaning you still can access your car but someone else can drive a copy of your car. The first example is a major inconvenience to you, the second example has absolutely no negative effect on you.

It is why instances of piracy that make it to a court of law are tried as Copyright Infringement cases, and not theft or piracy cases. When your ISP spies on you and sends you a letter after you pirate something in an insecure manner, you get sent a Notice of Copyright Infringement, not a Notice of Theft.

AtariDump,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/14a9ee93-c5cd-4399-b156-a149877d129b.jpeg

Viking_Hippie,

In fact, I downloaded a Rimac Nevera just yesterday.

For Cyberpunk 2077, but still. Would, could, did.

state_electrician,

Exactly. It also means you’re being sued by the copyright holder and not the state. You won’t go to prison for this shit, as opposed to actual theft.

Owlboi,

Not only is that not a quote, but its not even right. Piracy was never stealing, its copyright infringement.

Fingolfinz,

Thanks for the clarification, it really drastically changes the meaning when said like this versus op…

Reality_Suit, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

They could always release the source code.

mp3, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

If buying isn’t owning, surely that means pirating isn’t stealing.

MudMan, (edited ) do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

I've been increasingly frustrated with clickbaity coverage and headlines. Credit to Polygon for being just as obviously opinionated as Gamesradar but titling and writing their piece way more professionally.

I mean, yeah, Ubisoft's lawyers are arguing that the arguments of a lawsuit against them are wrong, that's hardly surprising. Given that they're being sued for taking down an online game they would certainly argue that they had no obligation to keep the game online indefinitely.

It's an interesting case and there are... creative arguments on both sides, but being mad that Ubisoft would argue that the text of their EULA applies seems so weird.

For the record, and because I'll be hounded for this, I've signed all relevant petitions to request regulation about digital ownership that creates an obligation to provide offline versions or access to server code. I'm all for making it illegal to build planned obsolescence into software. That doesn't mean I'm not bothered with bad journalism that I happen to agree with.

TachyonTele,

Hounded? Seriously? Lol

MudMan,

Be honest, you were ready to do some hounding, saw that tackled preemptively and decided to pivot. I can see the hounding intent from here. Those ears are so droopy you're becoming a better boy as we speak.

TachyonTele,

Are you a crazy person?

MudMan,

Not gonna lie, that one led to some introspection and I thank you for the opportunity.

TachyonTele,

Enjoy the rest of your week!

JakobFel, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version
@JakobFel@retrolemmy.com avatar

And this is exactly why Ubisoft is dying. Good riddance.

ms_lane,

Yep, couldn’t happen to a nicer publisher :)

Eat shit Guillemot.

RightHandOfIkaros, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

“Nobody reads those EULAs, and the Defendant knows that. Therefore, the Defendant cannot hide behind the EULA as a shield because the Prosecution, having clicked Agree without being required to confirm that they read through the terms, could not have possibly known what they were agreeing to.”

“If you are what you agree to, your Honor, then my clients are an unknown spaghetti of legal mumbo jumbo.”

“No further remarks, your Honor.”

p03locke,
@p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I would relish a lawsuit against EULAs where the defendant somehow sends the prosecutor a EULA in a software package that declares that they automatically lose the lawsuit by clicking Agree.

It would really hammer in the point that fucking NOBODY reads this shit.

ogmios,
@ogmios@sh.itjust.works avatar

I think someone calculated the time it would take to read every single one you’re expected to agree with in normal every day life, and it worked out to needing 76 work days to read everything you “agree” to in a typical year.

RightHandOfIkaros,

There was a video game store that once, for April Fools Day, included in its sale terms:

By placing an order via this Web site on the first day of the fourth month of the year 2010 Anno Domini, you agree to grant Us a non transferable option to claim, for now and for ever more, your immortal soul. Should We wish to exercise this option, you agree to surrender your immortal soul, and any claim you may have on it, within 5 (five) working days of receiving written notification from gamesation.co.uk or one of its duly authorized minions.

Only 12% of people that purchased that day responded, essentially confirming only 12% of people actually read the terms.

AmbientChaos,

12% is honestly way higher than I thought it would be. That number might be inflated by people looking for funny stuff on April 1st though

RightHandOfIkaros,

I think one could successfully argue in a court of law that people tend to be hyper aware on April 1st, and so may have read the terms suspecting something amiss when they otherwise would not have.

NewDayRocks,

We are not accounting for the percentage of people who read it but are still cool with forfeiting their soul.

Zess,

The judge would tell you you’re an idiot who said nothing worthwhile and that ignorance of the things you agree to doesn’t make them void when they’re used against you.

deegeese, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

Ubisoft doesn’t have to support the game forever.

They can either open up hosting to players or give refunds but they can’t have their cake and eat it too.

baines, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

i say ubisoft can eat shit

have not purchased anything from them in over a decade

SARGE,
@SARGE@startrek.website avatar

I got it on one of those giveaways that steam/epic/gog sometimes do, so I never even gave them money over it and I still want my money back.

baines,

haha yep, dealing with their shit is not even worth free

grue,

By their argument, nobody’s “purchased” anything from them in over a decade!

What they’ve been doing that whole time is committing massive fraud (false advertising, violating the First Sale Doctrine, etc.) instead.

Ledericas,

I first heard they were doing propaganda( to make them self look good in a positive light) by basically promoting in a show mythic quest, I’m guessing the creator of isaip is no saint either

Klanky, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version
@Klanky@sopuli.xyz avatar

It may be legal, but it certainly ain’t ethical.

danc4498,

Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should do it.

Quill7513,

i have the legal right to stand on the street corner and call everyone who walks by a stupid slut.

that does not mean i will at no point get punched

Lost_My_Mind,

Really unclear if you’re misquoting Jurassic Park, or if Jurassic Park just universally applies to EVERYTHING.

Klear,

Clever girl finds a way

GeeDubHayduke,

Hang on to your DODGSON OVER HERE!

uis,

Maybe in developing countries, but in developed world(Europe mostly) it isn’t.

commander, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

When Ubisoft introduced always online DRM with AC2, I was out. It’s nice with the Internet how much being anti-Ubisoft has become common enough to be unsurprising

uis,

Unless you worked in Blizzard.

ElectricAirship, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version
@ElectricAirship@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Deny. Defend. Depose.

AtariDump,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/09d6fe1e-607b-40e5-a920-235e305f758a.gif

Jessica,

Here’s the original in higher quality and less cropping: i.imgur.com/XzgU9AS.mp4

The watermark in the bottom right corner says KLING AI 1.6

parody,

https://files.catbox.moe/ikg3g9.mp4

AtariDump,

Thanks for that! :)

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