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makeshiftreaper, do gaming w What's going on over at dwarf fortress?

Dwarf Fortress bug reports are incredible. Since this is lemmy I’m sure people have heard of the alcoholic cats but it’s a fun reread

I just can’t beat the drunken cat bug… That was the one where the cats were showing up dead all over the tavern floor, and it turned out they were ingesting spilled alcohol when they cleaned their paws.

I think that bug explains very well just how deeply complex Dwarf Fortress really is. Drinks can be spilled. Some drinks have alcohol. If cats step in something it sticks to their paws. Cats clean their paws, causing them to ingest what’s on them. Enough alcohol will kill a cat. Put together: dead drunken cats.

I vaguely remember that part of the problem was the game didn’t differentiate between licking a small amount of ale and drinking a whole glass. So the cats were basically chugging a beer each time they cleaned their paws

piyuv,

Oh my god, I didn’t know how complex Dwarf Fortress is (I’ve played rimworld so I’m familiar)

cecilkorik,

Yeah, no, it’s ridiculously, nonsensically complex. In the most delightful and unexpected ways. Like, it’s not necessarily complex in the ways that you think it is or should be complex. It’s complex in ways that you never even would’ve imagined. For no real reason. Just because.

flandish,

I’m digging rimworld and have df owned but odd sometimes the names of things are “fuzzy” to my eyes. maybe font, coloring, whatever … I just can’t find myself connecting to the names. I’ll keep trying though.

cecilkorik,

You can give them nicknames in game if that makes it easier. You can also change the pool of names or even the entire dwarven language if you want, it’s all text files (at least in the ascii version, not sure about Steam)

flandish,

thanks!! good ideas.

Buddahriffic,

Check your resolution and scaling settings if it’s literally blurry. If you’re not using an integer multiple of your monitor’s native resolution, fonts can become hard to read because they don’t scale evenly into the pixels available. Sometimes games launch for the first time with weird defaults for resolution, so worth having a look if you haven’t already.

flandish,

oh solid point. i’m going to check that.

9bananas,

here’s an example of an online calculator, in case anyone else faces similar problems:

calculatorsoup.com/…/aspect-ratio-calculator.php

there’s a bunch out there, doesn’t matter much which one you use; it’s a simple way to calculate ratios, so you don’t need to do it by hand.

i like this one because of the “nearest standard resolution” hint!

Catoblepas,

I’ve seen and picked up describing Rimworld as Dwarf Fortress for babies (positive). Sometimes I want a baby game! Like, 1000+ hours of a baby game. Don’t judge me.

lightnsfw,

Yeah Rimworld is definitely my go to if I want to play DF but don’t have the energy to deal with the complexity of DF. Both are great.

msage,

Or how carp was overpowered, and could take down entire squad of dwarves that wandered too close to water.

The carp stands up.

I need more DF bugs, that game is such a gem. Bought it 3x on Steam, just to support devs even more. Apart from Patreon I mean.

cecilkorik,

One of the few games so special that even bugs improve the experience.

pruwybn,
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Tarn mentioned a couple of his favorite bugs in this interview:

My favorites are the one where the farmer walked over to the furniture stockpile, grabbed a bed, walked over to his farm and planted it, and the one with the injured hammerer. The hammerer is the dwarven executioner. When both of his arms were broken and he was unable to hold his hammer to administer Dwarven Justice, he still went ahead with the punishment, but he bit his victims. This included shaking his head vigorously and tearing their arms off, which he then held in his mouth for years.

bitjunkie,

What the fuck is this game I am not capable of evening

rocketpoweredredneck,

DF is a unique, sometimes overwhelming, sometimes hilarious, always interesting experience. There’s nothing like it, although many people have tried.

prole,

Rimworld is the only one that kind of comes close. I do think it’s more fun than DF as a game though.

Jankatarch,

Work enthusiasim companies expect for minimum-wage be like.

Dojan,
@Dojan@pawb.social avatar

When I read “injured hammerer” I initially read hammer, which made me think of an ARK Survival Evolved bug from years back. This was more unhinged though.

Regardless; vehicles, I believe, are basically just dinosaurs without a lot of the dinosaur-ish abilities, as far as the code is concerned. At least that used to be the case. When rafts were initially implemented, they’d forgotten to disable the hunger functionality on them, because over time your raft would starve to death.

snugglesthefalse,

Thermonuclear catsplosions were my favourite

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IIRC, the devs re-used code for dwarves blinking, which resulted in cats licking their beer-soaked paws at the same rate as blinking. Even a small amount ingested per lick at that rate led to alcohol poisoning.

Jankatarch,

Why was the game tracking when dwarves blink wtf??

mrgoosmoos,

so it knows for how long dwarves are affected by spilled beer in their eyes, duh

Dagamant,

Because they would go blind if they got blood in their eyes

prole,

Have you seen that Rick and Morty episode with the mini universe in a box? That’s Dwarf Fortress lol

vortexsurfer,

My favorite bug ever.

Tarn once explained it in more detail: the game’s code is object oriented, and the small amount of beer on a cat’s paw inherited all the variables of a full mug of beer. And the game uses a creature’s body size + amount of alcohol ingested to calculate/simulate drunkenness (all the way to alcohol poisoning and death).

blazeknave,

It’s a different but amazing flavor of shit crusader kings or rimworld say

prole,

I wouldn’t even put CK in the same sentence. Love me some Paradox grand strategy, but DF is a different beast entirely.

DupaCycki,
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This might be the best advertising I’ve seen for this game, and now I want to try it.

piranhaconda,

It’s on sale on steam right now. I said screw it and am diving in mostly blind, only watched one video on steam after reading this post. Wish me luck

GianBarGian,

Good luck bit you won’t be able to dive in blind, it’s far to complex to do it without tutorials and so on. It’s a bit hard to get into it initially as the learning curve is steep and the UI clunky. (I played several years ago though so hopefully it improved) Also just for people to know the game is open source and free (like in free beers) if you don’t want to buy it on steam. On Steam you support the developers though

Kanda,

Just try and fail and then start reading wiki for whatever you can’t get working.

Enkrod,

And on Steam you get actual graphics!

Master,
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Good luck… And when you get frustrated watch a 30 min starting tutorial before you abandon the game.

prole,

Don’t go in blind

Enkrod,

As soon as you are able to keep a fort alive and prospering, you’ll feel like a god!

Qwazpoi,

I like the one where they let werewolves sense other evil creatures and it resulted in an update where they all immediately climbed to the tallest thing they could (usually trees) and start screaming because they sensed the circus below

W3dd1e, do gaming w What's going on over at dwarf fortress?

I just love this game. I don’t have the time to play but I love reading the weird shit that happens in it.

wjrii,

I don’t seem to hear as much anymore, but for a long time this was me with EVE Online.

tburkhol,

I kept reading r/Eve for years after winning. Seemed to slow down after the casino war, then the Mittani left. Just today I see that Pandemic Horde is disbanding.

scintilla,

I think eve might be winding down honestly. New player experience is still fucking awful and the people that had time and money in the past to dedicate to eve seem to be moving on.

Not saying it’s going to die soon probably just a gradual slow down.

boonhet,

Hasn’t it been in a gradual slow down for like a decade? Peak player count was in 2013 apparently.

W3dd1e,

I never really played that one or followed the stories on it, but I always thought it might be a good fit for me because I remember there were a lot of excited players when Excel integration was announced.

A user base excited about data and spreadsheets? Hell yeah.

prole,

I see you enjoy spreadsheets. Have you heard of our Lord and Savior Europa Universalis?

W3dd1e,

I have not, but you’ve piqued my interest. I’m bookmarking your comment so I remember to look it up.

CodenameDarlen, do games w The Game Awards begins 11 hours from now. What are you looking forward to?

Looking for to be sleeping, I really don’t give a shit about that.

Redacted, do gaming w What's going on over at dwarf fortress?

Ah the fish wrestling game

unknown1234_5, do games w What are some lower size games that work well on linux handhelds?
@unknown1234_5@kbin.earth avatar

helldivers has a build that is like 30 GB now. runs the same as before on my fedora system.

dil,

It’s like 22, I have it installed.

unknown1234_5,
@unknown1234_5@kbin.earth avatar

plus shaders its about 30 on my system. i probably need to clear the shaders bc theres no way it needs 8 GB of shaders

moonlight, do games w What are some lower size games that work well on linux handhelds?

These are all smaller games that I've enjoyed playing on my steam deck, none of them are online multiplayer focused though:

Inscryption

Celeste

Crypt of the Necrodancer

Spelunky

Bad North

Carrion

Death's Door

Anything emulated

dil,

Been meaning to play celeste, loved towerfall. Is spelunky 2 any good, kinda overplayed the original back when it was a free ps plus game.

cecilkorik, do gaming w What's going on over at dwarf fortress?

I feel like that has vastly deeper meaning than it was ever intended to. A philosopher or sociologist could probably write their masterwork with that title someday.

saltnotsugar, do gaming w What's going on over at dwarf fortress?

This sounds like a lyric in the most epic metal song of all time.

idiomaddict,

It’s even better because it’s kind of true. Kids believe the weirdest shit and most of the time when they realize they were wrong, they just correct their misconceptions without explaining them to anyone. The next time a kid asks you how something works, ask them how they think it works; it’s like listening to Calvin’s dad’s explanations of the world.

justOnePersistentKbinPlease, do games w The Game Awards begins 11 hours from now. What are you looking forward to?

Whether they allow the warframe community to make a mockery of the concept of chat again.

rtxn,

!clem

justOnePersistentKbinPlease,

!Grakata

I may or may not be looking forward to continuing that tradition.

UnderpantsWeevil, do gaming w What's going on over at dwarf fortress?
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Lyrics that would fit neatly into a thrash metal band song.

Arcane2077, do games w The Game Awards begins 11 hours from now. What are you looking forward to?

Silksong Nothing, life is meaningless

simple,
@simple@piefed.social avatar

now you can wait for the silksong dlc though

Arcane2077,

Yep, 6-8 years to go!

MonkderVierte, (edited ) do gaming w What's going on over at dwarf fortress?

Better than the one where werewolves dected hell below and thus climbed scared on trees?

aeronmelon, do gaming w What's going on over at dwarf fortress?

Some bugs are so good, you leave them in.

mysticpickle, do games w The Game Awards begins 11 hours from now. What are you looking forward to?

Watching Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 sweep every category it’s in. That game is absolute cinema

moody, do games w What are some lower size games that work well on linux handhelds?

Dark Souls 8gb Raft 10gb Blasphemous 1 & 2 4gb each TMNT Splintered Fate 5gb it’s a weaker Hades, but still pretty fun. Megabonk 500mb Ball x Pit 600mb

dil,

I heard demon souls ps3 works well (prob not a small file size), but I have a ps5 and I feel should just get it on there and play the remake

How does dark souls hold up if you’ve only beat/played elden ring?

moody,

DS feels slow and a bit clunky compared to Elden Ring, but it plays in the same way, except it’s more linear, and it’s not open world.

The weapon upgrade system is more tedious, as there are several types of upgrade materials and branching upgrade paths.

But overall, it’s still a solid game almost 15 years later.

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