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Telorand, do gaming w Backpack Battles: business model i haven't seen since Minecraft, and it seems to be working?

I think the (re)advent of demos has been an amazing boon for the industry that it forgot. Whether simplified full games or up-to-a-point full releases, it’s great to give things a try before you buy. Demos were huge in the 90s, and then capitalism thought it knew better.

I, for one, have bought more games this year in part due to the demos, whereas I used to demure to frugality and concern over refund policies.

Dark_Arc,
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I mean … Valve has an extremely reliable 2 hours or 2 weeks policy which is good enough for most games IMO. I’ve rarely needed more than that in terms of a demo to gauge whether I want to keep something or not

Telorand,

And that’s great for you, but I have a family, and sometimes I have to pause a game, and that means those two hours can go up quick. Demos are inclusive to people like me.

Dark_Arc,
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I guess that’s fair, but a lot of games also have “save anywhere” kind of saves where you can just close the game. Or they’re “there is no pause button” games.

I guess we’re just two kinds of gamers though.

KnowledgeableNip, do gaming w Backpack Battles: business model i haven't seen since Minecraft, and it seems to be working?

I’ve added a number of games to my wishlist I probably would have blown past thanks to a great demo.

The flip side is, sometimes the demo shows a promising game that doesn’t quite deliver on the original premise or introduces new, chunky systems for no reason and it’s all the more frustrating because the demo got my hopes up.

BenadrylChunderHatch, do games w Looking for a survival sandbox game where you progress through technological ages

Don’t Starve probably isn’t the first thing you’d think of but it does fit quite well.

HalJor, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of October 29th
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UFC 5. It’s very not-different from UFC 4 but that’s kind of okay. It was fun before and I need to catch up on my trophy collection after spending too much time with Diablo 4.

I played a few minutes of Spider-Man 2. It’s about as enjoyable as expected but I can play only one controller-heavy game at a time so I’ll come back to this later.

circuitfarmer, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of October 29th
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Cities: Skylines 2. Hugely problematic launch, but it runs acceptably for me on Linux (just over 40fps consistently on a Ryzen 5 7600X and a 6600 XT). I’ve got all settings on high (except Volumetric Quality set to Disabled and AA set to TAA) and it honestly looks quite good, especially with DOF set to tilt-shift.

In terms of the game itself, I’m very much enjoying it. Every mechanic seems more detailed than C:S1 and there is a lot more planning needed to make a really successful city. Not without bugs but nothing game breaking. Lacks some of the annoyances in the first game (like needing water pipes everywhere).

donio, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of October 29th

I started playing Ring of Pain. It’s a deckbuilder-ish roguelite. There isn’t really a deck, it’s more of a loadout-builder (or tableau builder in boardgame terms). Meteorfall: Krumit’s Tale is the closest thing I’ve played before. RoP is sort of like a 1d version of that. Fun and fairly unique mechanics, smooth implementation. Runs great on the steamdeck too, good controller support.

kebabslob, do games w what does lemmy think of cruelty squad?

Played it on LSD. Loved it, bog business had me so fucked up during my peak. That soundtrack was… 👌 and then on the corporate assault level I had an interview with Mike Lindell playing in the background where he was talking about the “cyber symposium” and China and the election and I was so immersed going in and killing corporate HVTs.

MossyFeathers, do games w what does lemmy think of cruelty squad?
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Absolutely fantastic game. One of my top favorite games of all time.

alansuspect, do gaming w AITAH for pirating games before buying them?

I used to love getting floppy disks on the front of magazines 💾

espiritu_p, do gaming w Backpack Battles: business model i haven't seen since Minecraft, and it seems to be working?

Thanks for suggestion. I checked the trailer, but I don't think it's worth for me to try the demo. It's just not my type of game.

I myself addded 3 games to my wishlist after checking out the demos on steam this year. First one was manor lords back in march. then came Pagonia and enshrouded in october.
I am sure that releasing demo versions of games can make a difference. Many studios lack the financial power do do months-long marketing campains. Many players are even bored by such campains are are more impressed when they can get their hands on an upcoming title instead of having to watch the same trailer 50 times on youtube or in commercial TV. Many gamers do even avoid platforms as twitch or tiktok, and can't be reached by avldvertising via this platforms.

Carighan, do games w Two games free on Epic Games - Tandem: a Tale of Shadows and The Evil Within 2
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Has anyone here played Tandem? How is it? Looks fantastic from just the store page, but had absolutely no spare time in which to try it. :(

Moonguide, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of October 29th

Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous, though less and less each time. Baldur’s Gate 3 with my friends, Halo Infinite with my friends, and Skyrim for the nth time. Downloaded Wildlander and it’s like a whole new game.

Capitao_Duarte, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of October 29th

After being a little apprehensive about it, finally started Dark Souls 2. Man, what a game! Totally get why people say it is worse than one, but still a hell of a game. Really enjoying it so far

Thermal_shocked, do gaming w AITAH for pirating games before buying them?

Nope. Ive been burned on several games (back 4 blood anyone?) And tired of losing. Maybe the game isn’t for me, maybe it won’t run on my system. I have several games I bought after trying them from torrents: rimworld, farcey series, fallout 4 (love/own 3 and NV, needed to test 4). Several games that I really like I’ve bought a second copy for a shared account so my kid can play them also.

Nothing wrong with trying before you buy in my opinion. My library is full of games I r never installed. :(

0485919158191,
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Spot on!

umulu,
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Me too. Latest one is battlebit. Game looked fun. Plays very well. Balance is shit.

Aielman15, do games w Xbox's new policy — say goodbye to unofficial accessories from November thanks to error '0x82d60002'
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Let’s add this to the list of shitty anti-consumer choices that big tech corporations have implemented this year.

IIRC Microsoft still hasn’t reverted on their asinine choice of locking their console players into their overpriced branded SSDs.

Why9,

I don’t think it’s as black and white as that. Not to say that Microsoft isn’t dubious at times, but it seems they’re trying to weed out dodgy devices here.

Give companies free reign to create third party devices and they’ll create things that can be considered borderline cheat-y, or create things that are so bad that they affect people’s experience of Xbox consoles.

All this error code seems to be doing is requiring third party hardware to go through proper checks to verify hardware.

Aielman15,
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All this error code seems to be doing is requiring third party hardware to go through proper checks to verify hardware.

Translated: They want third parties to pay for the “Xbox seal of approval”.

Why9,

I mean I get it, it sucks for third party developers to pay a fee to develop for Xbox

But if you look at the quality of third party hardware available on PlayStation, Apple etc, it’s usually at a much higher quality and that gives people a perception that the hardware is better overall, even though Xbox series X and the PS5 are direct competitors.

If Xbox controllers cost $70 and crappy Chinese knockoffs are retailing for $20 and have no quality control, have cheat-y turbo buttons and break easily, they’re losing money that would have done to official controllers and also losing their brand image.

They’re not outright saying that third party devices are no longer allowed, but it does seem they want to manage the quality a little more

echo64,

You’re looking at this from a “what is good for microsoft” position. You won’t find much purchase for that thought process here. People care more about what is good for consumers and real people over companies.

Why9,

Absolutely! Who wouldn’t want to look at it purely from a consumer’s point of view?

It’s easy to just look at it from the consumer’s POV but the best plan is to check Microsoft when it’s actually being scummy, and not when it’s trying to just keep in line with every other company.

Sony issued takedowns of companies trying to sell PS5 faceplates, because they wanted to sell theirs at a premium. Apple is insanely notorious for proprietary hardware, to the point where the latest iPhone 15 even has its back glass fitted with a ribbon wire, so your iPhone won’t even start unless you’re using an iPhone certified back glass and it’s fitted by an iPhone tech that can enable the flag that lets your back glass work.

In a world like that, it makes no sense for Microsoft to put up with cheap knockoffs of its products especially if those products suck and are ruining its brand image.

Capitalism sucks but it is what it is. What we should do as consumers is vote with our money and not buy any accessories like this until these companies allow more third party developers to sell their parts. It just doesn’t work that way though. People keep buying this stuff no matter how high the prices go

echo64,

You’ve now taken the stance that these other companies did scummy things so it’s okay for Microsoft to do scummy anti consumer things. This will also not find purchase.

Why9,

Dude, my personal stance is irrelevant here.

I’m not saying that that’s my stance. I’m saying Microsoft is one of the largest companies in the world. You’re not going to change their mind by saying “I don’t like it”.

All I’m saying is “this is how businesses work”. If we don’t like it, we need to protest, vote with our wallets.

If you must know, my personal stance is the same as everyone else’s: it sucks that they’re forcing us to pay for first party/verified third party hardware which usually comes with a price rise.

But I thought I’d inform people what Microsoft’s position is in all this. They’re not going to stop taking massive losses just because some people on Lemmy said “that’s not nice”. Reality is that every company wants to make a profit and retain a positive brand image, especially now that Microsoft spent 69 billion dollars on Activision -Blizzard.

echo64,

Yes yes we all know that big companies are going to do bad things, you aren’t revealing new information here. And we know that leaving a comment on lemmy isn’t going to change anything, this is not new information.

We don’t really like this whole “big companies do bad things and we should expect that and not say anything about it” thing. should we just never talk about anything because big companies are big, so do what they want.

Why9,

Yes yes we all know that big companies are going to do bad things, you aren’t revealing new information here.

You’re finding it extremely hard to understand the concepts of this conversation and still have the gall to be sarcastic and patronising. It’s surprising when you’re clearly misinformed.

We don’t really like this whole “big companies do bad things and we should expect that and not say anything about it” thing. should we just never talk about anything because big companies are big, so do what they want.

No one’s said you can’t talk about it? How are you so confused? I’ll break it down for you since you’re obviously struggling:

Companies sell products. Companies like Sony have a tighter control on their third party hardware. Companies like Microsoft are much more lenient, but it causes cheap knockoffs to flood the market and reduce their brand value and first-party profits. Microsoft will now implement a check to control third party hardware. People on Lemmy get upset. It’s hypocrisy.

You’re either upset with the whole system or none of it. Getting upset the moment Microsoft does it makes no sense. At no point is anyone saying that you can’t talk about it.

echo64,

do you really think people are just upset now? and aren’t upset when other companies do bad things?

Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug,

Wait, you can’t buy regular drives anymore? That’s actually kind of fucked

Omegamanthethird,
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You can, but you can’t play Series games on it. Only previous generation games. Same as on PS5.

echo64,

on PS5 you can buy any brand SSD drive and it will work. only microsoft locks the system to use authorized hardware

Omegamanthethird, (edited )
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Sorry, I took “regular” to mean external drives, not non-proprietary internal drives. Last gen you could use an external HDD to expand your storage without any issues. This gen you can still do it, but its use is limited.

Omegamanthethird,
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Their SSD prices dropped significantly this past year when they allowed another company to start making them. But it’s still nowhere near as cheap as PS5’s SSD expansion which isn’t proprietary at all.

pHr34kY,

I threw a 1TB aftermarket SSD in my XBox One S and there was absolutely no attempt to stop me.

The loading speed in Fortnite tripled.

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