Op, I think you’re a little confused. I can’t think of a live service game that isn’t a multiplayer game in some form. the required online is because that’s literally what the game is.
Be mad about the scummy lootbox practices that prop it up, don’t be mad that other people like online games.
I mean, there are examples where the multiplayer should be optional and thus force the game to be live service. For instance, Diablo 4 should be perfectly playable single player, offline, yet it's live service and to my understanding requires an Internet connection
“in some form,” being the key part of that. Someone mentioned Diablo 4. It doesn’t have to be always online. Gran Turismo 7 is another example. It’s a trend.
I’m deep in Earth Defense Force 5. It’s way more fun than it has any right to be. There’s no way I’m going to finish all the content. There is a ludicrous amount, over a hundred stages in a minimum of three difficulties with four characters who all have health and equipment that can be gathered and upgraded. It’s hard to make it sound fun, because it’s really just using crazy guns to shoot giant bugs and aliens and shit. It’s very simple, but the formula is so good. Flying around like a maniac as a Wing Glider feels so bad ass. I gotta figure out how to talk someone into playing it with me >_>
Earth Defense Force is the shit. It's not way more fun than it has any right to be, it's exactly as fun as shooting giant alien insects as an overly patriotic earth sci Fi military SHOULD be.
I think if you show the gameplay to somebody and then the addicting loot system that they'd be down, unless they just don't like the chaotic shooter-ness. But yeah, those games are fucking great
Have to admit, I’m struggling to have fun, which I really didn’t see coming. I have hundreds of hours in Fallout 4, probably over a thousand each in Fallout 3 and Skyrim, and I adore space settings, so this was my most anticipated game for years. Seemed like it would be a slam dunk.
Another huge surprise is that it might be the main story that’s keeping me going. I’ve never come close to being this invested in one of Beth’s stories.
I feel you. I just hit 20 hours and I probably didn't start to fully realize how to find different kinds of content deliberately until about hour 15 after I'd got some of the faction stuff started and explored enough planets to understand how to find certain side quests.
For the first while my natural instinct just had me exploring all of the cities and stations, just talking with people and picking up masses of side quests, then I hit a point where I started actually doing them, because I was burning myself out on walking and talking.
The non-scaling level of systems is interesting, figuring that out helped me to be able to do quests that I was leveled for and weren't super spongey, I figured out the structure of the random quest board quests so I could partake in FPS shooting, ship shooting, cargo running, or more narrative driven side quests depending on my mood.
Figuring out that the trade authority (only the manned shops, not the kiosks) is your stolen goods fence meant I could really start stealing in earnest, and the decrease in environmental items that are lootable, along with the decrease in lootable homes and apartments means stealing opportunities are harder to come by.
Even still, after being pretty cheap at level 20 I'm at about 120,000 credits, which seems close to enough to fully build my own ship, which I'm about to eagerly do in my next session. Once I've got a ship built I'll want to start and get into landing on less colonized planets and figure out the outposts and such, where I can pivot to hiring people from the taverns and getting into that whole side of the game.
I think because of the amount of things you could do, the amount of them that are basically impossible to do from the outset due to money (ship and outpost building), and the way the game doesn't guide or explain things well, it was really easy for me to create my own boring rut where I just walked and talked and ran away from tough enemies because I didn't realize I picked up a quest that was in or lead to a high level system.
For instance, I knew you could board ships, I had no idea that I needed the systems targeting skill to target engines to even do that at all, the skill description didn't mention it, and the early game mission that forces you to board doesn't require you to have the skill, you just board when the ship is supposed to "die". I was also initially upset random items couldn't be broken down into materials, but then I realized some materials can just be found as lootables, same for some craftable components.
All told, as I play more I'm coming around to it all more, but it'll probably take another ten or 20 hours before I fully understand all the systems and can make a judgment on if I like it more, less, or the same as Fallout 4, which I also loved.
Yeah, the hope is that once I become familiar with what systems are available, what I should avoid, and what needs modding, I’ll be able to settle into the same cozy game loop as I have with the previous games.
What concerns me is I’m struggling with some of the core systems like bad companion AI (can’t reposition them in combat anymore for some reason), the main quests being so unpolished that I’m not exactly looking to jump into the side content, and especially the nested prereqs in the crafting system.
Make sure to also give the Freestar Rangers and UC Vanguard mission lines a try; they are both long and excellent: FSC Rangers is a love-letter to Spaghetti Westerns, and Vanguards line is a mini-Starship Troopers.
I found it took a long time to really get rolling. On the other hand I’m 70 hours in now and keep finding more depth and things to do and mechanics I haven’t even explored, it sometimes is a bit daunting how much there is to do in it.
I’m on my second playthrough of Baldurs Gate 3, this time with a Dragonborn Fighter ( Half Elf Gloomstalker was my first ). I’m still not sick of the game even if I already have 100 hours in it.
Also picked up Remnant From the Ashes to play together with my SO. So far it’s a fun game even if the story is still very confusing and we had trouble joining each others session. Had to set the session to public, Friends Only didn’t work. Thankfully it is possible to change it back to Friends Only afterwards.
I finished Quake 2: The Reckoning, the first expansion pack for Quake 2, and started with the second one, Ground Zero. Just like the expansions for Quake 1, it’s pretty much just more Quake. A few new or changed enemies, some new weapons, and I was blasting my way through the Strogg. Just like the base game, I played on Hard, and it’s not really that difficult, much easier than Quake 1. The biggest difference is that you get tons of ammo in Quake 2, so you’re never completely running out.
In Pillars of Eternity, I’m almost done with the second Act, so hopefully I can finish the game in the next couple of days. I don’t think I’ll immediately go into the White March expansion. I got about 100h combined with this and Baldurs Gate 1, these last few weeks, so I want a break from RTwP games. Like I mentioned last week, everything feels much smoother here than Baldurs Gate was, so I’m enjoying it a lot more. The AI pathing is still complete trash though.
Was anything ever done to mod in controller support to Pillars of Eternity from the console versions? I'm building a list of RPGs I'd like to play after BG3. Also, I'm pretty sure the game uses its own roleplaying setting and rules, but is it as complicated as 2e from those old Infinity engine games?
I’m probably not the right person to ask these things.
The game doesn’t have official controller support, according to the Steam Store page, so you’d have to map controller buttons to KBM. There’s a guide on Steam, so I guess you can play it that way, but I don’t know how good it is.
As for the rules, I’ve only barely scratched the surface for anything D&D related, so I can’t really know or compare. To me, it’s complicated, but it offers more information about everything. Keywords in tooltips are highlighted, so you can either click or mouse over, for further explanation about something. There’s a log, that can show rolls, but I’ve barely used it. RTwP with often 10+ characters in a fight, there is just so much spam. The basics for 5e from BG3 felt extremely easy to understand, even for me. Just like BGEE, I’m going through PoE basically higher number better (ignoring that THAC0 stuff in BGEE), and it’s working, although with lots of save scumming.
I’m really excited to sit down and play sea of stars. Probably will be a solid three or four months though. Sorry chain of echoes, I don’t think I’m going to be able to fit you in any time soon.
I don’t mind if they need to patch the game after launch to fix issues. you can only find so much with a QA team, the mass market is really helpful for finding issues you’d never be able to find as a team of 20 or 50 if they’re being generous.
I do absolutely despise live-service games with no choice for offline play. Diablo 4 is a more recent, prime example of this. servers went offline for a day or two IIRC, no one could play the game they payed money for, at a premium price at that. the biggest issue is that it puts a life-span on your games and I don’t think any media should have that.
Got in late in last week’s thread so reposting. Got Gotham Knights on sale this week. It’s fine. All the technical issues seem to be gone. Enjoyable enough for $15aud. Also having a go at SYNCED, I like the aesthetic and could be a fun one for quick sessions. Doesn’t run very well though, getting pretty frequent frame rate dips even on low and on low it looks pretty rough.
It used to not be. FPS games were run by players, not corporations. The ability to run your own dedicated server was baked into the game. Today you can still setup a Quake 2 server without having to rely on the publisher or a 3rd party. It doesn’t have to be that way today, but people accept it.
I absolutely will accept it because it brings better gameplay. FPS games are more fun when there’s constant balancing changes and new content on a schedule. It’s infinitely better than older game models where if one thing is broken you’re stuck with it for the entire lifetime of the game.
Being able to run my own dedicated server isn’t even something I’d want to do, nor would I want to play on player hosted servers.
When games go EoL, sure, require them to open source the multiplayer engine. But really, it’s not a big deal that an individual can’t host a Battle Royale server.
I absolutely will accept it because it brings better gameplay. FPS games are more fun when there’s constant balancing changes and new content on a schedule. It’s infinitely better than older game models where if one thing is broken you’re stuck with it for the entire lifetime of the game.
How is this different than Valve continuing to patch Team Fortress 2 decades after its release? There’s no Live Service model here.
Being able to run my own dedicated server isn’t even something I’d want to do, nor would I want to play on player hosted servers.
I think that’s true for most people, but a small number of a community can support the vast majority. It would ensure a game isn’t dependent on a company to exist, either.
When games go EoL, sure, require them to open source the multiplayer engine. But really, it’s not a big deal that an individual can’t host a Battle Royale server.
If that was an actual practice that’d be great. There’s no incentive for the publisher to do this, however, and they’re profit driven.
TF2 was technically a Live Service when it was actively receiving updates. The fixes that are added by valve are an outlier, and doesn’t change game balance. Constant balance changes are a necessary part of any competitive game. I’ve got no interest in something that isn’t being updated semi-frequently.
Self hosted servers don’t make sense in most of these games anymore. Communities like this vastly overestimate the want for custom servers. Most gamers don’t really care, for better or worse.
I’m not a fan of it. I think live service games generally comes with battle passes, which are essentially preordering DLCs. DLCs that have not been announced, with no details and nothing else. They also often offer some exp bonus or in game items. I think this has an impact on how the game is balanced. The bonuses can’t be game breaking so they have to nerf the base game experience to make it “valuable”.
I think it can be done well if the base game is free. Dota 2 and csgo are good examples of it because the bonuses that come with battle passes are mostly cosmetic, and they help the support game development. If the base game is £60, then the company can fuck off. I prefer standalone games with expansion packs being released at a later time. Being able to play offline is also great, even though I am rarely without Internet access.
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