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tiramichu, (edited ) do gaming w Taboo Question

This is something I know about.

The new ARM-based macs are actually very powerful, but as another commenter mentioned, the ARM architecture would normally be a bad fit for gaming as not much runs on it.

That said, there are ways around it.

I’m personally gaming on an M2 Macbook Pro, and am able to play almost my full Steam library of Windows games using a tool called Whisky

Whisky uses Wine (a longstanding Windows emulator commonly used on Linux) along with other toolkits to translate DirectX graphics instructions into Mac-native ‘Metal’ graphics instructions. There is a performance hit in doing this, but the end result is actually pretty good.

The result you get will depend on your hardware. I’m personally running a high-end M2 Max configuration and get 50 FPS on high settings in Deep Rock Galactic (a first-person shoooter game) but lower configurations would be okay for casual gaming.

There is another product that does the same thing as Whisky called Crossover. It is paid (unlike Whisky which is free) but is otherwise similar. You can watch this YouTube video on Crossover to get some idea on how it works, how to set it up, and the performance you might expect.

As for Minecraft, I personally play that too, and it actually runs natively on the new Apple Silicon macs anyway and doesn’t need anything special :)

cujo,
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Very compelling. I’m guessing Steam’s Proton work doesn’t do much if anything for Mac? I’m familiar with gaming on Linux, so I’m not afraid to get technical to get it all working, I’m just trying to get a feel for viability… It sounds like Sims 4 is the only thing up in the air, lol.

I need to find someone with a Mac willing to let me try it… 😂

tiramichu,

Proton is actually based on Wine so there’s a lot in common. And Valve contributes back to Wine via Codeweavers (who also make crossover)

cujo,
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I’ve been gaming on Linux for a loooong time, lol. I follow Proton’s progress pretty closely since the beginning as it pertains to the Linux space, I just wasn’t sure if it was considered a “solution” in the MacOS world or if it requires some finagling…

Thanks for the insight! I’ll have to do a liiiittle more research, but I’m feeling more comfortable about it now.

tiramichu,

Fair :) Glad I was able to share my experience if that helped a little.

I’d like to make the switch to Linux for my gaming desktop, currently still on Windows for that personally, but soon!

cujo,
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Just be sure to research your must-have titles on ProtonDB. It’ll tell you pretty much everything you need to know if there’s any tinkering to be done for your titles… And don’t make the same mistake I did! 😂

I upgraded from an AMD Radeon RX580 to an Intel ARC A750… Works perfect, except the specific setup of Linux + Intel ARC can’t play Halo Infinite… It worked fine (if subpar performance) on the RX580, but there’s some software issues between Vulkan and Intel that means certain DX12 games that make a very particular graphics call will NOT work with an Intel GPU… Otherwise I love it!

WolfLink,

There have been a few cases where developers “port” their games to Mac by wrapping them in Wine.

Apple used Wine in their Game Porting Toolkit: www.applegamingwiki.com/…/Game_Porting_Toolkit

It will require some finagling, but it’s about as good as you will get for running windows only games on Mac.

Also games built for Intel Macs should be able to be run thanks to Rosetta.

CalcProgrammer1,
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Ooh, this looks pretty nice. I’ll have to give Whisky a try just to see how games can run on my M1 Mac Mini. I have it set up as a TV PC and I usually just connect a Linux PC or Steam Deck to game on the TV. If I could run Windows games on it that’d be great.

ResidentCoffeeCat, do games w I'm looking for play testers for my wacky Stanley Parable inspiredgame to give me honest opinion. If you are fan of those types of games, let's play : )

If you’re still looking for folk to playtest your game, I’d be down to give it a go! I’ve not done that kinda stuff before, but I have played an unhealthy amount of games, including the Stanley Parable. c:

Road_Warrior_10,

Perfect, can you please add me as a friend on Discord so we can figure out the best time for both of us. My Discord name: evotheseusgames

ResidentCoffeeCat,

Sent a friend request just now.

CalcProgrammer1, do gaming w Taboo Question
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The main issue with new Macs is that they use ARM processors and most games, even for Mac, were made for x86 processors. Minecraft works fine as it is CPU-independent Java code, but you aren’t going to have access to a wide library like you do with Linux. I think there have been efforts to game on Wine with Mac but it will likely require x86 CPU emulation through Rosetta 2, possibly slowing things down. I remember I got Skyrim to run on my Mac Mini M1 somehow but it wasn’t a good experience.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

I’ve honestly had a better experience running a Windows VM with parallels, and inside the VM running certain games with windows’ translation layer.

Also very minor, but actually important. Rosetta2 doesn’t do 32 bit emulation, it only does 64 bit emulation. For whatever ungodly reason developers still compiled their programs for x86 despite not being capable of running on the few 2006 model Intel Macs that are 32 bit. And a LOT of games were only ever compiled for x86 on Mac so they will not run.

SaintWacko, do gaming w Taboo Question

I have a 2021 MacBook M1 Pro and tbh, I do most of my gaming on it anymore. It has no trouble with even modded Minecraft, although I haven’t been able to use shaders without the fps dropping lower than I’d like. I can’t imagine it’d have any trouble with Sims 4 either

NewNewAccount, do games w The Sega Saturn

Sega Lord X has a fantastic video about what went wrong and hypothetical fixes that may have saved the console.

prettybunnys, (edited ) do games w The Sega Saturn

I played Panzer Dragoon and Mystaria at my friends house and was so jealous of the Sega Saturn.

This was the summer before the PS1 was released so ALL of what the Saturn had was a “killer app” as far as my 10 year old brain was concerned.

thegreekgeek, do edc w LF Durable Metal Pen, steel construction
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Just swap out the internals with the clicker from an F702, that’s what I’ve been doing for years.

EDIT: a space

SECOND EDIT: Also put a space pen refill in that sucker, you deserve it. Just make sure to pull the little plastic bit in the tip.

Grangle1, do games w The Sega Saturn

There were lots of things that impacted how the Saturn sold compared to the PS1. These include things such as its 2D vs 3D performance (it did 2D much better than 3D, which impacted the Japan vs Western sales since the Western market was all in on 3D whereas Japan still had an appetite for 2D games yet), its basis on squares vs triangles for rendering polygons (a major impact to that 3D performance), infighting between Sega of Japan vs Sega of America (the Saturn was developed in Japan to be Sega’s launch into that generation, while the Genesis was still selling well in America, leading to Sega of America pushing the 32X instead, and Sega of Japan forcing their hand on Sega of America and pulling a surprise Western launch of the Saturn, angering devs and retailers who weren’t ready, and leaving Sega of America holding the bag), and the cancelation of what was supposed to be that marquee Sonic game, Sonic X-treme.

best_username_ever, do games w I'm looking for play testers for my wacky Stanley Parable inspiredgame to give me honest opinion. If you are fan of those types of games, let's play : )

I would buy that without testing anything but I don’t have Windows. Do you plan to make it available for macOS or Linux?

NigelFrobisher, do gaming w Why are there two different genres both called ARPG?

Diablo isn’t an ARPG, it’s an inventory management simulator with light action elements.

None of these actually have any role-playing in them though.

VinesNFluff, (edited ) do gaming w Why are there two different genres both called ARPG?
@VinesNFluff@pawb.social avatar

Dark Souls has more in common with Castlevania than with anything “RPG”.

As for Diablo type games, I personally call them “looter RPGs” as a retroactive term. Because the “looter shooter” genre that popped up about a decade after diablo is literally just Diablo but FPS.

Genre names are wack anyway. The “[other game]-like” moniker will always be more descriptive and clear, plus being a reminder that every new thing in video games is a refreshed take on some pre existing thing.

sanya, do games w I'm looking for play testers for my wacky Stanley Parable inspiredgame to give me honest opinion. If you are fan of those types of games, let's play : )

If you are still looking for playtesters, I’d be willing to try it out. I’d also be running it using proton

Road_Warrior_10,

Can you find me on Discord please : ) my name there: evotheseusgames

t3rmit3, (edited ) do gaming w Why are there two different genres both called ARPG?

ARPGs should be the Diablo-likes. Half the time, Souls-likes are barely even RPGs.

Diablo-likes have skill trees, classes, leveling… You know, the player-customizable “role” part of Role-playing.

Souls-likes often are just action games of dodging and equipment stats, without any ability to change the intrinsic role of a character.

I’m an IT dork, and if I pick up a wrench I don’t suddenly become a plumber or mechanic.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA, do games w I'm looking for play testers for my wacky Stanley Parable inspiredgame to give me honest opinion. If you are fan of those types of games, let's play : )
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

Uh, what method are you planning on using? I have my phone and a super 8 as far as recording goes. I mean I’m down, but I need to know what’s involved.

Road_Warrior_10,

Hi, the way I’ve done it before is we get on Discord or any other screen sharing site and you share the screen and play the game and we discuss in real time what you like, what you don’t. What work, what does not so can get the feel of someone else of experiencing the game for the fist time. : ) If that is okay with you we can do it

WeLoveCastingSpellz, do games w I'm looking for play testers for my wacky Stanley Parable inspiredgame to give me honest opinion. If you are fan of those types of games, let's play : )

I would love to try, I can also test linux/proton support

Road_Warrior_10,

Hi, the way I’ve did it before is we get on Discord or any other screen sharing site and you share and play the game and we discuss in real time what you like, what you don’t. What works, what does not and I can get the feel of someone else playing. : ) Is this something you are willing to do?

WeLoveCastingSpellz,

Voice chat is lil bit of a no no due to personal reasons. Still, good luck finishing your game! I have already wishlisted it on steam.

Road_Warrior_10,

Thank you so much for the wishlist : ) Sorry for the voice thing, but it’s very important for me as it is the best way to get feedback. I’ve tried doing recordings with playtesters and it’s just not the same. Hope I will get your opinion on the full game when it’s out. Warm regards : )

WeLoveCastingSpellz,

yep, I will make sure to drop a review on steam by than. Best of luck to you

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