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OtherPetard, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

I’m using 10+ years old hardware, Microsoft has already told me I can’t upgrade, followed by several messages asking me to upgrade…

In other news, Linux Mint works nice and I just need to check Protondb to get Warframe running at frames per second and not seconds per frame

glitchdx,

if you’re on Linux mint, check to see if mint itself is out of date. When I installed mint, the only install media I could find was 2 versions behind. Getting to the current version fixed my warframe problems.

Lolseas, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

I thought I read some time ago that Windoze 10 would be the last version of Windoze ever…

Manticore,
@Manticore@lemmy.nz avatar

Yeah I remember thr same thing. Everything else was suppose to be a package update.

But back-end technology and usage expectations change, and there’s a limit to what front-end changes an existing user tolerates. That was never a promise they could keep.

It has lasted a really long time, though. I don’t decry 11 existing. I’m upset they’re sunsetting 10 without giving us a chance to wait for 11 to get better, let alone for ‘oops we fixed the fuckups’ W12.

benjaminoakes,

Well, it can be the last version of Windows for you. 🙂

Ubuntu is nice. I use it daily. Others in my family too. And there are other options too. I hear Mint is nice though I haven’t used it much.

Give it some thought. 🙂

glitchdx,

i remember it as “the last version of windows you’ll ever need” and they were absolutely correct.

TanteRegenbogen, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

Already switched to Nobara. Only have Windows dual boot because Space Engineers Multiplayer doesn’t seem to work on Linux.

Sabata11792,

Been perfectly happy with Nobara. Windows is dead to me and I’m free from my League addiction.

Logical, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

I think I will switch to Linux, possibly dual boot with Win 11 just in case there are games I can’t play on Linux.

libra00, do games w any one remembers the PS2 prince of persia games?
@libra00@lemmy.world avatar

Huh, I haven’t played Prince of Persia since the original on an Apple IIe. Color me curious.

H_dev,

Boy are you in for a treat!

lightnsfw, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

Just bought a laptop and put bazzite on it to try it out and figure out if I can do all the things I want to do on it. If that all works out I’ll be switching my desktop over.

kazerniel, (edited ) do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
@kazerniel@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll upgrade to 11 Enterprise via massgrave.

Sadly with Adobe and some of my online games not supporting Linux, I have to stick with Windows :/ I’ll just try to disable all the telemetry and AI crap via O&O and group policies.

Retrograde,
@Retrograde@lemmy.world avatar

Damn, Adobe doesn’t support Linux at all? Guess I’m staying on Windows too :/

Soapbox1858,
@Soapbox1858@lemm.ee avatar

The only way to use Adobe products on Linux are the web apps (which are limited) or in a windows virtual machine (slow) or by dual booting into windows (annoying).

You can run really old versions of Photoshop via Wine. But if your needs are that simple, you can probably just use Photopea.

For my use case of Lightroom for accessing and editing final photos across my computer and phone, and occasional photoshop use (mostly for printing) I am able to get by with the web apps, and windows virtual machine.

I would love to drop adobe. But the Lightroom Mobile cloud storage sync feature is too invaluable to me right now and there is no other option that comes close to that feature.

Retrograde,
@Retrograde@lemmy.world avatar

Ah, yeah - Lightroom itself is their crown jewel these days, let’s be honest

kazerniel,
@kazerniel@lemmy.world avatar

No, all the current versions are reported various levels of broken :/ Generally they can’t install, so you have to copy an installation from Windows, then there are some that don’t load at all, some only load to splash screen, some do work after you patch their broken UI and manually copy some Windows DLL-s. So idk, you might get lucky with the specific program/version/feature combo you need, but it just sounds like a pain to me.

rabber,

Ya I can’t live without Adobe suite so same boat

Asafum,

What is O&O? I’m not to keen on jumping to Linux either, but I REALLY don’t like the idea of having recall active and having Microsuck know literally everything I do…

kazerniel,
@kazerniel@lemmy.world avatar

O&O Shutup10++ (theoretically works on 11 too)

Not sure what it can do on Home/Pro editions, I’ve only ever tried it on Enterprise.

Asafum,

That looks awesome, thanks for sharing!

VolumetricShitCompressor, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

Just imagine 43 % market share in the next hardware survey.

dota__2, do games w Day 263 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games l've been playing

yep, definitely ark with a pokemon paint job more than any game pokemon has put out. that paint job has still gotten a lot more people to play the game than a lot of other survival games.

MyNameIsAtticus,
@MyNameIsAtticus@lemmy.world avatar

Right now if i ever have a craving for Ark i think i’ll probably go back to this. Ark is fun in small doses, but the huge size makes it impossible to download on a whim. This i can have done in a few hours

dota__2,

yeah i put ~80 hours into before they started pumping out paid dlc for their early access game and haven’t touched it since. and any remote desire to maybe get more out of money spent was immediately soured by that size.

notarobot, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

Ill bet right before the deadline, they will magically make TPM optional, even though they said they wouldn’t.

Madcat81, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

Can’t upgrade because my 4 years old mobo is apparently too old (haven’t checked out the workarounds yet). Installed Linux Mint to give it a try and I am positively surprised so far.

elFlexor, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

So 43% of Steam users are the kind of stickler that refuse to update their Windows to an objectively better version because it’s something new and different and breaks their habits. What would make you think these people would possibly just switch to a different OS altogether if a simple update was too much to ask for the past years?

wiener234,

Maybe 43% have hardware that is not supported by Windows 11. And don’t want to run windows 11 on unsupported hardware or go through the hassle of even installing on unsupported hardware.

elFlexor,

If doing one registry edit and installing Win11 from the iso to bypass the silly “processor unsupported” message is a too high barrier for these 43%, how do you realistically expect these same people to go out of their way and install a Linux distro? Why should they be motivated to learn in which ways it works differently from the Windows architecture? And let’s not get started with “unsupported hardware” - even though the Linux experience has gotten so much smoother, it’s still not uncommon to have components with subpar or no real support.

Don’t get me wrong, I like Linux and I use it for work - but to think a huge part of gamers will switch to Linux with just because they don’t want to update their Windows is just illusory.

wiener234,

I don’t expect them to switch. I think it’s more likely they will stay until there games are no longer supported. Simply because a lot of people just don’t want or can’t edit the registry, because they think stats for people with technical knowledge. But I also don’t believe they will all switch to Linux.

Cocodapuf, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

I still use steam on Windows 7. I don’t see the problem.

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

Do you worry about connecting it to the internet?

Cocodapuf,

Nope

Shannaresh,

Just please make sure it’s not internet connected if you value such things as your privacy, and bank accounts not being breached extremely easily. End of security support is no joke.

Cocodapuf,

I don’t really use the browser on that machine. It still has basic virus protection, and such.

End of security support is no joke.

Well really… that all depends on if you’re laughing.

Shannaresh,

Using a browser isn’t the only way it would be connected to the internet though, I know for sure there are malware bots actively searching for network connected XP machines that can brick systems just for existing on a public network, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the same wasn’t the case for 7. Anti-virus can only do so much for you if you’re a victim of ransomware or some remote execution exploit found since EOL

Cocodapuf,

Well, I have the ultimate defense against ransomware, full disk backups. Honestly, with automated backups, the whole world is a little less scary.

tenchiken, do games w any one remembers the PS2 prince of persia games?

Looking forward to this

nuko147, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
@nuko147@lemm.ee avatar

I’m in Windows 11. I have regret it, but after so many tweaks of the system, removing telemetries, changing menus, and other Windows shit, i had not the energy to move back to Windows 10.

Only OS change i am willing to make is to move to Linux, but gaming is not there yet, and am now trying to move from big proprietary companies to FOSS, so time is needed.

glog78,
@glog78@digitalcourage.social avatar

@nuko147 @The_Picard_Maneuver

May i ask why gaming on linux isn't for you ?

serratur,

I assume he is playing an FPS game with anti-cheat, everything else just works.

Rbnsft,

Or League of legends. Cant play on Linux with riot anticheat

nuko147,
@nuko147@lemm.ee avatar

Nvidia user, i saw a 10-15% performance difference (maybe more in some games), some anti-cheat do not work, so i can not install these games. I used both Mint and Nobara with latest drivers running and proton-GE.

glog78,
@glog78@digitalcourage.social avatar

@nuko147

Thanks alot for the information. I understand the pain points and cross my fingers that nvidia finds fast the issues of their drivers being slower in vkd3d https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/directx12-performance-is-terrible-on-linux/303207/58

If you ever wanna try again you should stick to a gaming distribution like nobara. A lot of performance can also get lost just because esync / fsync aren't configured correctly in the distribution. This should be fixed in the near future too , once https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/wine/-/merge_requests/7226 is merged and people use modern kernels aka > 6.14.

Thanks again for the informations.

Zwrt,

Might be game dependent but nowadays games like withcher 3 run better on linux then windows for me.

Anti-cheat is admittedly a pain though. Chivalry 2 used to work and now no longer does.

Though those anti cheats tend to be very invasive so i prefer if everyone moved to a system thats is user personal security first so the market would align with that.

sanpedropeddler,

My experience with Linux gaming has varied pretty wildly. My old r9 290x could hardly run anything on linux. And if it did, it would run horribly compared to on windows.

Recently I upgraded to an rx 7600, and nearly everything works out of the box or with minor tweaks. And it performs similarly to windows, even better on occasion.

nuko147,
@nuko147@lemm.ee avatar

Yeah NVIDIA GPUs, like mine, suck at Linux.

calum,

Gaming on Linux has never been better. Out of the top 100 (mostly Windows platform) games, only 7 are entirely unplayable according to www.protondb.com

80/100 are Gold or Platinum rated which means very playable. I often get better performance in Linux than Windows, even with the default open source drivers. I am using an AMD GPU which gives an advantage as they have better open source support, but for NVIDIA all the Linux distros I’ve used have had a documented path to install their binary drivers for better performance. My only bugbear is the game developers that actively hate Linux and that try to disable their game from working via anti cheat.

It’s true that it sometimes takes a bit more tinkering, especially if you’re using some esoteric controller or other funky hardware, but in the days of LLMs that can coach you through issues it’s more accessible than it’s ever been.

nuko147,
@nuko147@lemm.ee avatar

Nvidia GPUs are not good in Linux at the moment. And yeah all what you said. But i had tried Linux for gaming like something 5-8 years ago, and the situation is so much better now.

CeeBee_Eh,

Nvidia GPUs are not good in Linux at the moment

They’ve been perfectly fine for years. And now they’ve never been better for desktop DEs.

nuko147,
@nuko147@lemm.ee avatar

When I say they’re ‘not good,’ I mean they run slower. AMD and Intel GPUs perform nearly as well as they do on Windows, but Nvidia GPUs can suffer up to a 20% performance loss on Linux, depending on the game.

kazerniel, (edited )
@kazerniel@lemmy.world avatar

My Steam profile is apparently 30% platinum, 21% gold, 10% varying levels of broken, 39% unrated.

But Genshin Impact, one of my main games, doesn’t even appear on ProtonDB, and as far as I heard you need a custom Linux launcher for it, that results in occasional banwaves, which I will not risk :/ (Edit: if ProtonDB only lists Steam games, that would explain why Genshin is missing.)

Elevator7009,

Windows 11 -> Linux just for gaming and I am satisfied!

However, I also do not play things with big graphics requirements, kernel-level anticheat, and I do not have any fancy GPUs like Nvidia that make things incompatible. I transitioned on a laptop. So YMMV.

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