Has YouTube Blocked Your Adblocker Yet?? angielski

DrQuint, rok temu

Freaking ironic that I get an ad on strawpoll stopping me from seeing the results.

Faceman2K23, rok temu

Just a tip for those of you that do cave to pressure and go with the paid premium option. or already have one but dont want to pay for more accounts or a family account.

You can set up channels or brand accounts as sub-accounts on a premium subscription and they will act like separate accounts with the advantages of premium, so if you have a large family and don’t want to pay for the full family subscription (which only has 5 slots anyway) you can set up a few sub-accounts that each get their own subscriptions, recommendations, settings and all have the premium features.

So if you want to make a premium account for a parent or child, you can do that with one single subscription if you can take the caveat of them being brand accounts rather than fully their own thing.

This works on things like Android TV or Google TV, but you need to log into the main account then switch to a sub account in the app, however, there is no authentication to switch between channel accounts this way, so it’s really only useable for families only. I use this at home to run 4 separate nvidia shield youtube apps with their own subscriptions and recommendations on one single premium payment.

I expect they will change how that works in the future to remove the loophole, probably by charging for channel accounts or having it locked behind some kind of overpriced professional usage tier, but for now, it might be a good option for some.

Thorny_Thicket, rok temu

Many people have also said if you set your location to for example India when signing up for premium you’ll get it basically for free compared to what it’ll cost in europe and it’ll keep working even if your location is elsewhere from there on.

Faceman2K23, rok temu

Yes indeed, and google get less money. however there are some signs that companies are starting to crack down on that.

briongloid, rok temu

I use Turkey, it’s around $2.50 per month for the 6-person plan.

aaaaaaadjsf, rok temu

I use YouTube revanced, and after a quick update a few weeks ago it’s working fine again

Pinkletits, rok temu

I too have been using Revanced but I’m not experienced with updating third party apps. How is it done?

starelfsc2, rok temu

reddit.com/…/revanced_manager_guide_for_dummies/ basically just follow this and uninstall any old versions of microg or revanced if you have problems.

aaaaaaadjsf, rok temu

The same way you install revanced, you basically have to reinstall it with an updated APK and patches. At least that’s how I did it.

jaschen, rok temu

YouTube algorithm has been garbage for months now. There’s literally no good content.

mortrek, rok temu

The site has plenty of good content, just no way to find it.

kionite231, rok temu

Some youtuber link other channels with similar topic/content. I found few new channels that way.

jarfil, rok temu

Sounds like the death knell for YT… what’s the point of a centralized platform, if we’re back to links to discover content. They could link to PeerTube.

riley0, rok temu

I got it once on Chrome. Haven’t used Chrome for YT since. No trouble with FF and UBlock Origin.

Psythik, rok temu

Damn, I just recently switched to Ungoogled Chromium, just for YouTube (still use Firefox for everything else.) I did this for HDR and RTX Video Super Resolution, since Firefox supports neither. Looks like I’m going to have to live without now.

riley0, rok temu

No trouble for me using Yandex and AdGuard AdBlocker, either, fwiw.

MonkCanatella, rok temu (edited rok temu)

I have a script I used to auto download new stuff from my subscriptions using yt-dlp. I never watch videos on youtube anymore because it’s just garbage, buffering all the time or just straight up not playing content. The only thing I miss is sponsor block but I don’t care that much

here’s instructions on setting the script up if you’re interested

paris, rok temu

I believe yt-dlp has sponsorblock integration but I haven’t used it

MonkCanatella, rok temu

I have the script running every five minutes so I get a desktop notification telling me there’s a new video downloaded and by who. It takes some time for the sponsorblock segments to show up

rivalary, rok temu

Mind sharing it?

kionite231, rok temu

ytfzf

MonkCanatella, rok temu

reddit.com/…/auto_download_latest_youtube_videos_…

I’ll make an updated lemmy post as well but for now it’s an old reddit post of mine. There’s also some great alternatives that I think are easier to set up if you don’t mind managing a separate subscriptions list - I made this script specifically because none of the options I’d seen were able to take your subscriptions from youtube and check them.

May be worth trying to set up with one of the alternative youtube frontends that have been popping up so you can use those accounts. I think it depends on if yt-dlp allows it as that’s what’s doing all the work here.

rivalary, rok temu

Awesome, thanks!

zipzoopaboop, rok temu

Firefox and ublock as usual, still good

GenBlob, rok temu

Today I started getting ads with no video just audio. I didn’t get the adblocker message yet. Firefox ESR+ublock origin

snowbell, rok temu

I had this issue but refreshed the page and it has gone away since. I’m guessing that didn’t help for you?

Killing_Spark, rok temu

Works for a few videos and then it shows them again. Seems like the normal YouTube thing where you get ads every few videos

mayo, rok temu

This came up on reddit and one of the members suggested adding the following filter. I don’t know if it works but may as well. (ublock > settings > my filters)

youtube.com,youtubekids.com,youtube-nocookie.com##+js(json-prune, playerResponse.adPlacements playerResponse.playerAds playerResponse.adSlots adPlacements playerAds adSlots, adPlacements.[].adPlacementRenderer.renderer.instreamVideoAdRenderer)

GenBlob, rok temu

I haven’t come across any since yesterday but I’m putting this in just in case

Killing_Spark, rok temu

Yep same, Firefox+ublock origin

riley0, rok temu

Try adding YT enhancer. I’ve got UBlock Origin and that installed. IDK which one is still blocking ads, but they’re still blocked.

DAMunzy, rok temu

I’ll just stop using YouTube like I’ve stopped using Reddit.

mayo, rok temu

I’m ready for that. When being a youtuber started looking like a job I think the site lost something.

tryptaminev, rok temu

That is something you just cannot avoid with a new medium. Eventually there will always be professionalization. It just sucks that youtube now just gives us the same shit over and over instead of making it easy to find new creators, like it used to be.

captain_aggravated, rok temu

Hell I think you could make a massive improvement to the site if it could realize “Hey, I’ve been suggesting the same exact video to this user 500 times in a row, and he’s never clicked it. Maybe this user likes this creator/series, but not this specific video.”

seaturtle, rok temu

Yeah, YouTube was better when it was a bunch of amateur cat videos.

jarfil, rok temu

There was a sweet spot when cat videos went pro. Then the spam killed it.

mayo, rok temu

I’d say just smaller, less scripted content. Maybe that’s what tiktok is.

captain_aggravated, rok temu

I remember one of the early Youtube sensations was this teen chick’s vlog that turned out to be a fictional soap opera basically. Because it hadn’t occurred to anyone to do that yet.

This was BACK IN THE DAY, around the same time Boxxy became a sensation, or that one chick who just sat still in front of the camera because the Japanese liked her huge eyes.

Laurentide, rok temu

lonelygirl15? I remember a friend telling me about that series because she wanted to share a funny video reply (Remember those?) by somebody who managed to find the same animal plushies that the girl carries around; it was a parody episode where the plushies talk about the current situation in the story and suggest that maybe the girl should drop all the teen drama stuff so they can all focus on running for their lives instead.

captain_aggravated, rok temu

That’s the one, lonelygirl15. What a wild story. My internet destroyed brain immediately jumped to “Wow that was before the Youtube partner program, and it was presented as an authentic teen’s vlog at least at first…I wonder what the monetization strategy was?” And it turns out there kinda wasn’t one. They went into $50,000 worth of credit card debt to fund the series, according to Wikipedia. Like remember that episode of South Park (remember that show?) where they had the waiting room full of viral video people waiting to get their non-existent internet fame money?

Landrin201, rok temu

I genuinely think that advertising should be illegal at this point. It’s a ridiculous concept.

Venus, rok temu

Based. Absolutely true, there is no good use for advertising.

merc, rok temu

How do you define “advertising”?

Is it advertising if a community government makes citizens aware that bus service will be changing?

Is it advertising to tell people that there’s a suicide hotline available if they need help?

Is it advertising to encourage people to volunteer for a local festival?

What about telling people that the festival exists using a poster? Is that an ad? Does it depend if the festival is free or non-profit?

Advertising is just fundamentally about bringing people’s attention to something. The spectrum can range from a municipal government “advertising” its monthly meeting so that local people can participate in their local democracy, to spam emails hyping a pump-and-dump cryptocurrency.

Different people will have different ideas where the cut-off should be. The extreme libertarians will say that nothing should be banned. Others will say that it’s ok to ban ads for alcohol and cigarettes but not for makeup or coffee. Even totalitarian states and supposedly communist states where one entity controls all companies have ads. Some of the most striking ads ever made were for Mussolini.

So, the question really isn’t about banning ads, it’s just where to draw the line.

captain_aggravated, rok temu

An increasing number of states are banning billboards along highways. Travelers do need a low tech method for finding certain services though, such as food, lodging, fuel and restrooms. So you’ll see those blue signs that says “FOOD NEXT EXIT” with a Waffle House and Burger King logo. In order to put the logo on that sign, the business has to meet certain criteria (which vary from state to state like all highway laws), for example a restaurant must be within 3 miles of the highway, be open for at least 12 hours a day and feature public restrooms and telephones. The sign itself may include a distinctive logo and the name of the business in legible font but no slogans or ad copy. “This burger restaurant is nearby.”

This I see as an appropriate amount of advertising.

bobman, rok temu

Paying to tell others that they should buy something they otherwise would not.

merc, rok temu

So, the government of Florida advising people to stock up on emergency supplies ahead of the oncoming hurricane – banned?

OminousOrange, rok temu

It is a great example of how an industry can survive with only self-reported effectiveness. I remember a freakonomics episode where it was shown that very infrequently do companies get a positive return on marketing spending. It will be very interesting if that industry ever collapses.

MrPoopyButthole, rok temu

Multinational scam artists

blergh, rok temu

They know. The fact that targeted ads leveraging so-called “big data” are not more effective than standard advertising is now known to the public. We can bet Google knew this years in advance. But they can’t abandon their whole business model since that would freak the stock market and investors out. So, they need to squeeze as much as they can before the entire model becomes unworkable and they’ll be forced to switch to something else or disappear.

OminousOrange, rok temu

Oh definitely. Its essentially a massive case of ‘it’s difficult to get someone to understand something when their salary depends on not understanding it.’

mindbleach, rok temu

Same shit with Facebook claiming videos were the bestest content possible, using numbers sourced from the vicinity of their pelvis. Now every goddamn news site has autoplaying video for no damn reason.

jarfil, rok temu

Advertising is about creating trends, and catching some impulse buyers. Effectiveness is likely overstated, but on the other hand it’s difficult to quantify the effectiveness of a trend. I don’t think it’s likely to ever collapse, people will always want to believe they can influence others more than they actually can.

1984, rok temu

Very good. It will be nice to be off YouTube completely.

Venus, rok temu

What happens to me now with Firefox and ublock origin is if i leave a video paused in the background for a long time and then it unloads it and then I click it to continue watching so it loads back up, then it plays an ad. I was legit like cat-confused because I haven’t seen an ad on the internet in years.

denton, rok temu

Same! I was taken aback and offended all at once then refreshed to get rid of the ad which thankfully still works… But for how long more is the question 😭

w00t, rok temu

Yep, same here. Today I’ve been abruptly reminded how intrusive and obnoxious ads on Youtube are!

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/1b3a68fc-2e41-4662-aa51-a4a97f56a0d5.png

LoafyLemon, rok temu

Remember when some people said we're nuts thinking Google will try to ban ad blockers with manifest v3? Yeah.

HerrLewakaas, rok temu

Google will try everything in their power to stop us from blocking their ads. It’s their main source of revenue, you don’t have to be a genius to see why they don’t like ad blockers

jarfil, rok temu

Wouldn’t this show that they failed, if they have to recur to site-based adblocker blocking? Clearly v3 hasn’t stopped people from using Firefox, yt-dl, or whatever.

LoafyLemon, rok temu

The Gecko Engine (Firefox), holds a user share of 4%. When compared to Chromium's (Google Chrome and its clones) whooping 72% (roughly) user share, it's clear that Firefox has limited relevance to their business strategy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:StatCounter-browser-ww-monthly-202011-202011-bar.png

jarfil, rok temu

(according to latest statistics, Firefox would have an even lower share)

My point is: if v3 were effective at neutralizing ad blockers in 75% of the user base, or even 95% since Safari is supposed to get on board too, why are they developing additional countermeasures?

Or has Safari decided to do like Firefox, and still allow full ad blockers?

LoafyLemon, rok temu

I reckon that blocking ad blockers isn't some extra countermeasure here. It's actually right in line with what Manifest V3 and that new environment attestation system are all about. They're basically making sure that if you tinker with crucial bits of the JavaScript -- stuff they see as essential (like anti-adblock) -- you won't make it through the attestation and you'll get blocked.

They don't want to block all modifications because that would be a hindrance to many users, for example the visually impaired. However, anything affecting their bottom line will probably be blocked.

How that will affect Firefox? I don't know, maybe nothing will change for us, or perhaps Google will block Firefox altogether. We certainly know they're capable.

jarfil, rok temu

Yes, attestation is in line with V3 changes, just that it makes them irrelevant: YouTube’s website could some day ask for environment attestation of “no extension using the intercept hooks”, or “only the approved ones”, and still have the same effect. The fact that they’re implementing a server-side anti-adblock now, while postponing V2 deprecation over and over, makes me think the V3 changes are a flop.

Firefox… would likely require Mozilla to play ball and implement similar attestation in an official binary attestable by the OS. Edge too, just so MS doesn’t mess with Chrome’s binary attestation on Windows.

Safari already has attestation, without extra parameters, but it could be extended:

httptoolkit.com/…/apple-private-access-tokens-att…

doggle, rok temu

It’ll be a shame if I have to ditch YouTube. There’s only 2 or 3 channels I would even consider paying for and they don’t have Patreon or anything. I’m less than interested in giving Google a cut.

stebo02, rok temu

should I vote if I’m not in the US?

theshatterstone54, rok temu

If you have a good party to vote for. I’m in the UK, and I’m not so sure if any party deserves my vote.

HappyFrog, rok temu

You should always vote, if only to not let the worst party get power. Your enemies would rather you didn’t vote than vote for their enemy.

theshatterstone54, rok temu

Fair enough. The thing is, do I vote for the near-anarchists, that, save for the anarchism, align with my principles? Do I vote for the party that is further away from my ideological beliefs, but doesn’t have the anarchism, and is a bit larger? Or do I vote for the main opposition, which is even further from me ideologically (and doesn’t seem to have much of a clear vision)?

jarfil, rok temu

That sounds like a question about how much you oppose anarchy. Any change, involves some loss of established order, so if the Overton window tells us something, is that “anarchist parties” are just the ones trying to push it stronger. Actual anarchists, wouldn’t try to be part of a government in the first place.

theshatterstone54, rok temu

Okay, but then we still have the problem of FPTP. If I’m in a Labour dominated constituency and I vote LibDem, my vote wouldn’t matter cuz Labour will win anyways. And if I live in a Greens Stronghold and I vote Greens, my vote wouldn’t really matter, as they would have won with or without my vote. The way I see it, your vote can only make a difference in a constituency where there is no clear winner, and it’s everybody’s game.

Please correct me if I’m wrong in my assessment of the situation.

jarfil, rok temu (edited rok temu)

Then you want to fight FPTP and vote pruning by constituency, to make your vote matter.

You could vote blank, or a poop emoji to show your disconformity, but organizing or supporting a protest to reform the voting system might be more effective.

If we counted all those who don’t vote because it “doesn’t change anything”, those who vote blank or null, and those who vote knowing their vote will still get thrown away… it could actually make a majority.

Thisfox, rok temu

Still odd to think of countries where voting is optional. It’s compulsory here, adn the only people who can afford to not vote are the rich…

stebo02, rok temu

i meant on the poll lol

ChaoticNeutralCzech, rok temu

I’m in the UK, and I’m not so sure if any party deserves my vote.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gbDAvK42yA&t=216 / Obligatory Piped link

theshatterstone54, rok temu

Thanks, I will keep that in mind.