I agree that it would probably be helpful to have more than one person running the program, but I also understand it can be hard to let a project go. I really like kbin, but will admit I set up another account elsewhere. It isn't as nice as kbin. I don't know rust but will definitely step up to moderate! Learning new things is good. I'll do it. Happily 🙂
If he would just let people mod the communities that get spammed then that would be a massive improvement, and it would literally only take him a couple of clicks. But instead he keeps himself as sole mod of those forums, so they get tons of spam, ruining kbin's Newest page.
I was considering moving to mbin, but their decision to make downvoting private makes that a very unpleasant idea for me. Public voting was one of the initial selling points for kbin for me. If I move, then it's probably to another kbin instance like kbin.earth for now.
I appreciate that earnest made a post yesterday, or maybe it was the day before, saying that he is not dead and hasn't given up on kbin. It's not on this magazine, so I'm not sure where it was since this seems to be the most appropriate one, but in any case.
Definitely. I've applied to a handful of magazines weeks ago and have read about others having done so too. I really think magazine ownership requests should be accepted automatically on kbin.social. There's already requirements in place to whether you can make one, that should be good enough for abuse safety measures.
Instance moderators would be better, but I don't know if there's people lining up for that role whom he also can trust with it.
and contributors.
The issue here is that all contributors have moved on to mbin. You don't just look for contributors, the contributors choose to contribute. So unless he's willing to pay them, I don't think this is a problem he can solve, and I doubt he makes enough money to hire people.
Edit: Also, to clarify, it's only seeing who downvoted that's made private, the actual amount of downvotes is kept public. It's not a Youtube situation.
Having thought about this for a bit, I think it might actually be better for ernest if this instance died a bit. Not entirely, but it could use some redistribution of users to other instances.
Like, it wasn't meant to be this big main instance of kbin. That's just what it became. And it's got to have an effect on his stress levels and development time.
I feel like the instance is like a ballon that continually gets pumped with fresh air. Ernest constantly has to make sure the balloon doesn't pop. Maybe it would be better for it to pop so he can focus on other things?
Not a fan of hiding votes and it sounds like mBin does that... And apparently I'm banned from lemmy.world? Only thing I can figure is they don't like my username. Which also suggests it's too "safe spacey" for me anyways ("OMG the fee fees!!).
Personally, the main thing I want is for all of the pissers and moaners to go away, so the rest of us can just enjoy this place in peace. And that'd take some of the pressure off of Ernest, which would be good for him and, in the long run, good for the instance. You can all move to mbin - it was pretty much built by and for concern trolls and drama llamas, so you should be right at home there.
Yeah - this place has its issues. That's the way it goes on what basically amounts to a hobbyist platform on a decentralized system. And it's part of why I have multiple accounts scattered around the threadiverse - when one is having problems, that likely just means I'll use it less until things settle down, which is fine. It's not like I'm paying for any of this.
I like this interface and I like Ernest. That's enough for me.
Nothing stops you from leaving. Just abandon the account and leave. In fact I'd think you want to change the password to something very long and leave the account so nobody else can take your username on this platform.
Could you give some examples of why it would be bad to have more community moderators, and maybe one or two extra admins? It seems like that would only strengthen Kbin. The moderators could fight the spam effectively, and the new admins could handle managing the busywork of the website while Ernest codes.
It seems like it would be an absolute win all around?
I didn't say anything at all about moderators or admins. My point is very narrow and specific - I want the concern trolls and drama llamas - the people who post threads like this one - to fuck off. I'm tired of them pissing and moaning because this new, free, making-it-up-as-we-go-along forum doesn't live up to their expectations. Fuck 'em. Ernest doesn't owe them anything and if they're so unhappy, all they have to do is get the fuck out, then they won't have to deal with the place and the rest of us won't have to deal with them.
I didn't say anything at all about moderators or admins.
That's what everyone here is discussing, that's what the OP of this thread is talking about. You're calling people who are correctly pointing out that Kbin needs more mods and admins, with the stated goal of REDUCING Ernest's administrative burdens and stress, Drama llamas and trolls, and telling them to fuck off.
This is like complaining that the little mom and pop sandwich shop can’t product sandwiches as fast and uniformly as Subway. This clearly isn’t for you, just go to Reddit or something if you want stability. I love the little slices of janky internet we get from activitypub, im sick of everything needing to become highly available around the globe supporting millions of requests per second with no downtime tolerance.
It doesn’t NEED to be anything, this is run by Ernest, for free. It’s worse than that, he is paying for it and not being subsidized with ad revenue. He can totally ask for help if he wants, he can also say no to that and continue running the site on his own. You are not entitled to this, good grief.
If Ernest is listening, I'd love to volunteer to help be a sysadmin/coordinate sysadmin schedules. I've got like 20 years of tech experience, with a lot of it being handling support teams and administering Linux systems. I know I said I couldn't because of money, I realized that social currency is worth even more and I like you folks and want this place to succeed.
So if anybody can get in touch with him, have Ernest email 246FHD@protonmail.com
I'll be more actively handling spam as well, but it's clear that we need additional people for global instance moderation. I'll prioritize this. I'd like to delegate instance administration as much as possible and fully focus on code
Said before (forgive me if you planned on replying to it), but is spam filtering (and similar issues related to moderation/federation) something you're planning or?
The current spam is rudimentary so I don't think false positives are a reason for no filtering at all, particularly if existing users are not scanned the same way. If mods can un-delete false positive threads/comments made by new accounts surely it'd be less work than manually removing spambot stuff (even if it were per-user). Especially if manual spam removal means that people still see the spam.
EDIT: Also clicking on one of the new spam accounts, 13 minutes old with 6 threads (and that was posted almost immediately with the rest posted within the span of 3 minutes).
Those are great news. Hope your recovery goes well and that you find some solid people to help with the maintenance in terms of moderation. kbin really is my favorite instance of this all, but needs some love.
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