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daredevil, w RTR#31 Further refactoring, update Symfony to 6.4 and other deps

The "Add New" button is a nice update to the page -- should be useful for and accessibility which hopefully inspires others to use this feature! Also glad to see that unfollowing a has been renamed from "Delete" to "Unlike". The spoiler tag update is also definitely welcome.

ThatOneKirbyMain2568, w RTR#31 Further refactoring, update Symfony to 6.4 and other deps
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Great changes! A spoiler tag button is really nice, especially since the formatting for it can be a bit clunky. On that note though, I think it'd be nice to have an alternate format for making spoilers that doesn't literally have the word spoiler in it.

It's also awesome to see that official collections are explicitly marked, but the way it's done is rather odd. It's a button that creates an "Are you sure?" prompt on the screen when you click it. It seems like something that's meant for instance owners.

I think something less obtrusive next to the collection's name would be better for marking official collections. I implemented that with a checkmark in my userstyle, and I prefer it to the button. Maybe have the text "official" show when you hover over it to indicate what it means.

cacheson,
@cacheson@kbin.social avatar

::: spoiler Like this?
Do you mean just displaying something other than "spoiler" in the header? Or not using the word "spoiler" when writing the tag at all? If the latter, I believe it's done that way to match how it works on lemmy.
:::

DessertStorms, (edited )
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

nope

::: spoiler spoiler
testing
:::

(E: I've tried several ways to get it to work, once I got the little triangle but also the word "spoiler" on the end, the rest of the times I got variations of what it looks like now. Am on desktop)
(E2: it's now settled on a little triangle, it was showing the ::: bits before, I swear 😂)

ThatOneKirbyMain2568,
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I mean not having the word spoiler when writing the tag. I get that it's done for Lemmy compatibility, which is why I suggest an alternative way to do it (like how italics can be written like this or like this).

DessertStorms,
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(like how italics can be written like this or like this).

How do you get that to display without italicising/bolding the text? (E: like has clearly happened to me lol)

ThatOneKirbyMain2568,
@ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social avatar

Backslashes. To get this, you type _this_. In fact, you can backslash backslashes, which is how I showed the backslashes here.

DessertStorms,
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

Amazing, thanks!
(now to hope I actually remember lol)

Kierunkowy74,
@Kierunkowy74@kbin.social avatar

StackExchange Flavoured Markdown features spoilers done like this:

>! Hidden text

! Hidden text

Well, @ernest is aware of way, how spoilers are done on Wykop, being simply ! Hidden text

ThatOneKirbyMain2568,
@ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social avatar

True, though this doesn't give the spoiler a header.

Maybe something like ||header|content||, based off how Discord handles spoilers, could work.

So

::: spoiler don't click if you're 8 or younger
santa isn't real
:::

could be written as

||don't click if you're 8 or younger|santa isn't real||

Edit: Backslashing doesn't seem to work on colons for whatever reason, so I removed that example of how the spoiler could be written.

tjhart85, w RTR#31 Further refactoring, update Symfony to 6.4 and other deps
@tjhart85@kbin.social avatar

As always, your work is fantastic, @Ernest!

Having that spoiler tag available in the editor will be great, especially on mobile!

livus, w RTR#30 Monthly Recap and Planned Next Steps
@livus@kbin.social avatar

Thank you, these improvements are great!! I am really glad you are prioritizing stability. Also, I don't want you to be overworked. I feel like you understand the potential of the fediverse, and how best to create something good and lasting.

It just seems to be working better in general, and it feels like I am seeing more content and maybe even more engagement.

If I have to pick some, improved moderation and collections are my favourite improvements. I'm already finding collections useful (both mine and other people's). I like how we can see crossposts too.

I wasn't able to work out how the * button worked (and now it's gone for me on mobile), but that's okay.

Thanks for sharing your site with us, and all the work you do. It's really exciting seeing it develop!

ernest,
@ernest@kbin.social avatar

The * button has been replaced by All Content in the header (or sidebar in the mobile version), Cheers :)

livus,
@livus@kbin.social avatar

@ernest omg so it has! That's so convenient!! Thanks!

daredevil, (edited ) w RTR#30 Monthly Recap and Planned Next Steps

Do you have any favorites that have significantly improved your instance experience?

  • @kbinDevlog -- transparency and continuous updates were probably the biggest thing for me. Thank you @Ernest.
  • Transfer of abandoned magazines
  • Request for magazine moderator
  • Improved account and magazine deletion
  • Anti-spam protections
  • function

Regarding Collections: I'm wondering if it might be useful to allow transfer ownership of collections as well? Probably low priority, but this could be useful if:

  • The owner becomes inactive
  1. A magazine or community becomes problematic + has inactive moderators
  2. Other magazines/communities become more/less relevant over time, thus the collection needing adjustments

Re 1:

  • Could be mitigated on kbin magazines due to magazine ownership transfers, however, may pose an issue on federated magazines from lemmy
  • Also could be mitigated by the creation of a new collection, hence probably low priority

Re 2:

  • Could be low priority in regard to certain magazines/communities becoming inactive over time, however, the chance to miss out on discussions and threads should possibly be considered
  • However, this is also mitigated by also creating new collections -- I just think people generally like to avoid migrating when followings settle in.

Transferring collection ownership could also be excessive/unnecessary? Thoughts? Does the status of an official collection change automatically based on the user count?

Also regarding collections: After following a collection -- going to a collection's page and attempting to unfollow is described as "delete". This may give off the wrong impression to unfamiliar users. Perhaps "unfollow", or "unfavorite" may be better suited? I also wonder if it may be more appropriate to have favorited collections appear at the top of the collections view so users can quickly find the collections they follow in order to avoid being buried by the popular ones. This could also potentially be solved by giving subscribed collections its own tab in the navbar next to magazines? Is that perhaps too many tabs in the navbar?

Anyways, thank you so much Ernest. I know some people were unhappy about /kbin's development progress for awhile, but I'm really glad I stuck with it. Despite the challenges that came your way, watching you get back into the swing of things and /kbin's growth has been a joy to be a part of. The consistent communication and having our feedback be heard is also a big plus. As always, looking forward to what else is on the way.

Edit: Also, really glad to hear you're prioritizing sustainability, balance, and a strong foundation for the future. I hope you're able to get the support you're looking for, so you can give this project the time and effort you think it deserves. It's clear you care a lot about this project.

LollerCorleone, w RTR#30 Monthly Recap and Planned Next Steps
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The pace at which you have been improving things and adding new features have been impressive this past month! Thank you and I hope you are taking some breaks in between for yourself!

box464, w RTR#30 Monthly Recap and Planned Next Steps
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I noticed today when setting up a "Fediverse" collection, that another collection already existed with that name. When I went to view my collection, it was showing the other /fediverse collection instead. I changed my name to "FediNews" and that cleared it up.

So, going to https://kbin.social/u/box464/c/Fediverse goes to the other /fediverse collection - actually it still does! Not sure how that is happening since I don't have that name reserved now.

ernest,
@ernest@kbin.social avatar

Routing fixed, thanks!

leadore, w RTR#29 Another boring update: Categories and bug fixes
@leadore@kbin.social avatar

I feel stupid, is this currently available? It seems yes, some people say they've made one, but I can't seem to find either a "Categories" or "Collections" option. Sorry, I don't know which area is called the "user panel", but I've looked at the tabs across the top, and in all the menus (+, channels, profile).

I did see the collections tab on the Magazines page though, and I see Random Collections in the right side panel, just can't find where to create my own category/collection.

ThatOneKirbyMain2568,
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Go to settings and click the collections tab. Tbh, it feels a bit hidden rn, and I'd love to see at least some sort of link on the Magazines page in the future.

leadore,
@leadore@kbin.social avatar

Thanks but I looked in Settings. There aren't what I would call "tabs" there, but there are different sections (General, Sub channel, Threads, etc) but nothing called Collections.

WAIT, never mind, I found it in the other "settings" I forgot there are two different places for Settings. Thank you

ADHDefy, w RTR#29 Another boring update: Categories and bug fixes
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@ernest, you are doing amazing work! I hope you're taking care of yourself, too. :)

In a future update, do you think you could add the ability to set a default sort? I prefer to set my home feed to Top, 1 Day, and it's easy enough to just bookmark https://kbin.social/sub/top/1d on my PC, but I primarily use kbin as a PWA on Android and AFAIK, there's no way to set a custom home page. It would also just be convenient to open kbin to my preferred sort on any platform. :)

DuncanMSussexPol, w RTR#29 Another boring update: Categories and bug fixes
@DuncanMSussexPol@toot.community avatar

@ernest nice! One of the biggest problems I found with KBin/Lemmy was the duplication of very similar communities across them. This goes a long way to fixing that!

poVoq, w RTR#29 Another boring update: Categories and bug fixes
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Will there be a way for communities to opt-out from being listed in a category?

I think there is a lot of abuse potential in this and even if well intended, a single word or so can’t really describe what communities are about, and as a result those categories (similar to the “all” feed) will bring a lot of off-topic comments and trolling from people not engaged with the communities at all otherwise.

On Mastodon with hashtags the original poster can at least make a conscious choice of being listed under it or not. But this seems fully third party driven and I fear it will increase moderation workload significantly.

ernest,
@ernest@kbin.social avatar

I don't understand how content grouping can be used for potential abuses, to be honest. Collections are related to the user, so it will be subject to instance moderation in case of such an attempt. The community can also switch to private mode - then this content will not be aggregated in collections. Moreover, from what I know, there are already external tools that do similar things.

poVoq,
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Most trolling and brigading is fairly low effort, and having a sharable collection of communities to troll makes it much easier to organize lots of people to do just that. Edit: yes external tools for that exist but having it built in makes it much easier to abuse and rope in people to do the trolling that otherwise would not bother.

But my main concern is that this isn’t opt-in for communities. Having a sharable and subscribable link with for example “meme” communities means that all of them are seeing a constant barrage of random people commenting that are not members of that community and do not have any idea what the community is about other than that it is somewhat loosely related to “memes”. It basically hides everything that is vital about the communities and actively damages attempts at community building.

ernest,
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I understand now, I'll think it over during the weekend. I haven't really considered it before because the fediverse is still a relatively small and close-knit community imo. Excluding a specific instance would likely involve PR proposal to Lemmy's repository, but that's fine. Thanks for the feedback.

ContentConsumer9999, w RTR#29 Another boring update: Categories and bug fixes

Will collections get a way to tag them like magazines?

ernest,
@ernest@kbin.social avatar

Additional options will probably be introduced in the near future, but for now, I need to attend to other matters ;)

donuts, w RTR#29 Another boring update: Categories and bug fixes
@donuts@kbin.social avatar

Collections are a game-changing feature, imo! Nice work to all involved.

livus, (edited ) w RTR#29 Another boring update: Categories and bug fixes
@livus@kbin.social avatar

@ernest I just made one! Thank you, this is super super cool. Least boring update ever!

Small issue: I can't get it to let me add @world. It just adds more and more options that end in .world and if I manually type it, it won't add. Might be because I'm on mobile.

Solved. I just have to be more patient and let it search more before I scroll.

VerifiablyMrWonka, w RTR#29 Another boring update: Categories and bug fixes
@VerifiablyMrWonka@kbin.social avatar

Knocking it out of the park!

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