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Prox, do games w N++ — 10th anniversary update

I picked this up on Steam for cheap today just so I don’t have to hook up my PS4. Still a super duper amazing game.

I have no idea how to unlock the TEN++ content, though.

ook, do games w Avatar Legends: The Fighting Game - Official Announcement Trailer
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12 Playable Characters at launch, with many more released via Season Model

Ugh. No thanks then.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Pretty par for the course for a fighting game though, no?

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds,

still a shitty trend

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

What would you prefer instead?

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds,

invalid question,

I think getting kicked in the nuts hurt and I don’t like it

WELL? WHERE DO YOU WANT TO GET KICKED???

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I’d rather people get paid when they work hard to add stuff to a video game.

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds,

then make a videogame, not part of a game for 59.99$ then you have to buy the rest of the game picmeal. only so the executives get bonuses and the people actually working get crunch time.

kay4749,

I agree and support this sentiment.

However, the correct approach would always be to wait until all content is available and then torrent the game for free.

If corporations want to “it’s just business” us, then we should “just business” them right back.

ampersandrew, do games w Avatar Legends: The Fighting Game - Official Announcement Trailer
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I am not an Avatar fan, but I will caution Avatar fans that Nickelodeon games are historically made for shoestring budgets; basically whatever they find in the couch cushions. As a fighting game fan, there’s enough left to the imagination here that this game could be literally anything, and the developer has no other games to its name on Steam.

QuantumTickle,

Watch the Announcement Trailer for Avatar Legends: The Fighting Game (working title), an upcoming action fighting game based on the beloved Avatar franchise, developed by Gameplay Group International in collaboration with Paramount.

Nickelodeon isn’t mentioned and I don’t believe they’ve been a part of Avatar’s new development studio or creative direction for awhile.

While I do see a generic game, it’s worth blaming the right people.

kay4749,

Nickelodeon isn’t mentioned and I don’t believe they’ve been a part of Avatar’s new development studio or creative direction for awhile.

What makes you believe that? The IP is owned by Nickelodeon. Literally nothing gets done without their approval.

Thatuserguy, do games w Skate Story launch date trailer OUT DECEMBER 8 🛹

Oh my god I’ve been waiting for this one for years. I thought it was dead at this point since I never saw another trailer since the reveal trailer years ago

Kolanaki, do gaming w How Games Do Destruction [Game Maker's Toolkit, 19:07]
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

The only destruction I remember in FC2 was the fire spreading system. 🤔

I also can’t believe Rust didn’t make the cut, considering how popular it still is and it having a destruction system similar to Teardown and Red Faction.

GammaGames,

When did Rust add that? Back when I played it was essentially Ark/Fortnite building

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

It’s been there as long as I can remember. Make a big tower and take out the bottom. The whole thing collapses.

GammaGames,

Oooh, Teardown and Red Faction have a bit more physics involved but I see the comparison

itztalal, do games w Marvel’s Wolverine - Gameplay Trailer | PS5 Games

Loving the gore, but the combat looks really basic.

Looks like you just press square and Wolverine locks on and snaps to an enemy.

Malix, do games w The Dungeon Experience Reveal Trailer
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Still no launch date but there’s a demo! I know what I’m doing tonight.

NuXCOM_90Percent, do games w Hell Let Loose: Vietnam | Reveal Trailer

I always preferred the HLL model of sweaty milsim over Squad but…

A decent number of games have tried (US-)Vietnam over the years and it just doesn’t work. Because people think of the Vietcong versus GIs in jungles or ambushes in towns and along the river. And… the problem with that is it was a ridiculously asymmetrical fight. Like, yes, some troops did have AKs but mostly they were using WW2 era weaponry and maybe SKSes And firing precision shots through a jungle was a whole thing.

It was incredibly rare that these were standing fights. They were bloody ambushes that either ended in slaughter or… kind of just wandering away. And while that could be REALLY REALLY interesting from a gameplay standpoint it also breaks the milsim model of “every ticket matters”

As for those standing fights? They really weren’t that different than any other cold war conflict except that the ridgeline might be a wall of jungle.

Also… look, playing HLL pretty much guarantees you are dealing with, at best, rampant racism because “They were racist back then”. As someone who has tried to find some fun shooters over the years… going to Vietnam IMMEDIATELY reminds everyone that it is still perfectly okay to be mark wahlberg levels of racist towards Asian people. The number of videos on games like Rising Storm that just have random “ha ha, spawn at ching chong” from even “respected” youtubers is just infuriating.

So… not really happy this exists

Hubi,
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Have you actually played Rising Storm 2: Vietnam? I thought the setting worked decently well there. And I really didn’t encounter any racism aside from popular lines like “Welcome to the ricefields mfer”. It still has a couple of populated servers going even though it’s kinda outdated compared to HLL or Squad 44.

NuXCOM_90Percent,

Yes, I have. RSV is mostly corridors outside of a few maps that try to represent a trenchline. It sort of works because spawns are fast and tickets are plentiful but it is still mostly just a day at the Metro in BF3+. Once you start making tickets count more, that starts being a lot less viable.

And yes, I experienced a LOT of anti-Asian hate while playing. Understand that some of us have different levels of tolerance for that than others (which was kinda my point on why this is gonna be extra bad).

AlexisFR,
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My dude, most of the biggest battles of both Vietnam wars were against the standing army of North Vietnam (PAVN), which was a proper army, not just against the VC that were irregular insurgents attacking the South.

somerandomperson, do games w Bubsy in: The Purrfect Collection Release Date Trailer

“What could possibly go wrong?” -Bubsy, idk when

NuXCOM_90Percent, do games w [Fredrik Knudsen] Unofficial Skyrim Patch | Down the Rabbit Hole

Okay. I am not familiar with Knudsen but holy crap at the number of times he has said “All the good will the community had for arthmoor and the unofficial patch had finally run out. But NEXT TIME, NEXT TIME people won’t be so forgiving…”. Also very much not a fan of the editorializing when he highlights the text from a forum post but does word replacement or puts on a nasty voice.

And I assume the constant Argonian face zoom ins are arthmoor’s avatar or something but… I just kind of giggle every time I look up and see that arg-O-face.

Very informative video but he is no Jacob Gellar or Joseph Anderson. Also… putting some barriers in the way of my half-baked plan to replay the TES series over the next few years. Was really hoping my days of spending hours making mod lists was over.

Evotech, do games w Who would win Kernel level anti-cheat or middle age man with a Raspberry Pi?

He’s still using a cheat in addition to detect player models lol

Jaded99, do games w Battlefield 6 cheats day 1 of early access. Depite kernel level anti cheat, forced secure boot TPM 2.0

Only AI will be able to root this out in future

massi1008,

That’s an (obviously) unpopular opinion around here but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt: How would AI be able to do that?

bluesheep,

Don’t waste your time, they’re either an hardcore AI bootlicker or a shit stirrer - most likely both, looking at their post history.

pineapplelover,

CSGO used to have Overwatch which is an anti cheat system that uses trusted and experienced players to go through video footage of reported players. With this method I both reported blatant spinbotters, wall hacking, and other chears. I also was on the side of watching back footage of hacking players.

Say AI trains on this data, it might work.

I’m not a fan of this though because knowledgeable and experienced players will be better than AI.

sunred,
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What actually exists but what I have yet to see implemented in any game I play are those server-side “AI anti-cheat” solutions like from anybrain that basically just analyse the players behavior to fit certain criteria. According to areweanticheatyet.com though there are four games using it already (the most well-known one probably being Lost Ark). In theory ai models can be very efficient and accurate at this (we are not talking about transformer models here like with the current llm craze) but that all depends on how they train a model and what the training data looks like.

Stovetop,

I am not sure what the user above is thinking, but to play devil’s advocate:

One thing that modern AI does well is pattern recognition. An AI trained on player behavior, from beginner level all the way up to professional play, would be able to acquire a thorough understanding of what human performance looks like (which is something that games have been developing for a long time now, to try to have bots more accurately simulate player behavior).

I remember someone setting up their own litmus test using cheats in Tarkov where their main goal was just to observe the patterns of other players who are cheating. There are a lot of tells, a big one being reacting to other players who are obscured by walls. Another one could be the way in which aimbots immediately snap and lock on to headshots.

It could be possible to implement a system designed to flag players whose behavior is seen as too unlike normal humans, maybe cross-referencing with other metadata (account age/region/sudden performance anomalies/etc) to make a more educated determination about whether or not someone is likely cheating, without having to go into kernel-level spying or other privacy-invasive methods.

But then…this method runs the risk of eventually being outmatched by the model facilitating it: an AI trained on professional human behavior that can accurately simulate human input and behave like a high performing player, without requiring the same tools a human needs to cheat.

zqps,

Cheating humans already perform closely enough to trick such a system. Many cheaters are smart enough to use an aimbot only for a split-second to nail the flick. With a tiny bit of random offset, those inputs indistinguishable from a high-skill player.

ChairmanMeow,
@ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

These tricks may make it indistinguishable to a human moderator, but machine learning is actually really good at detecting that. But most companies don’t have the expertise, resources or training data to build a proper model for it.

NuXCOM_90Percent,

Machine Learning is really good at CLAIMING it detected that.

The reality is that every few months there is a story about a fairly big streamer/e-sports player MAYBE getting caught cheating on stream. Sometimes it is obvious and sometimes it really becomes “Did they just know the map well enough to expect someone to come around that corner?”.

And a lot of times… it really is inconclusive. A somewhat common trope in movies is the veteran gunslinger literally aims at the wall of a stairwell and tracks where they expect the head to be and either fires a few rounds through the wall or waits for them at the bottom and… that is not entirely inconceivable considering that people tend to not crouch or move erratically down stairs. Obviously Jonathan Banks has a wallhack but Mike Ehrmantraut is just that damned good.

And false positives are a great way to basically kill a game. ESPECIALLY if they are associated with demonstrably false negatives too.

But you can be damned sure most of the major esports games are already doing this. It really isn’t expensive to train and they have direct feeds of every player in a tournament or twitch event. The issue is that there are (hopefully) tens of thousands of servers active at any moment and running Computer Vision+Inference on every single server is very costly.

And… I seem to recall there was a recent intentionally poorly defined Movement about maybe keeping user hostable dedicated servers a thing? How does that mesh with having every single server need to phone hom (a fraction of) all 32 players feeds to a centralized cluster?

ChairmanMeow,
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Machine learning doesn’t necessarily require a centralized cluster. Usually running those kinds of models is pretty cheap, it’s not an LLM basically. They usually do better than human moderators as well, able to pick up on very minute ‘tells’ these cheats have.

I understand your point about edge cases, but that’s not something the average player cares about much. E-sports is a pretty niche part of any game, especially the higher ranks. You just want to filter out the hackers shooting everyone each game that truly ruin the enjoyment. Someone cheating to rank gold instead of silver or whatever isn’t ruining game experiences; they’re usually detectable too, but if you get a false negative on that it’s not the end of the world. A smurf account of a very highly ranked player probably has a bigger impact on players’ enjoyment.

NuXCOM_90Percent,

Depending on the model, inference can be run with CPU only. To distinguish what was originally proposed (a momentary flick consistent with aimbotting), you are either doing ray tracing (really expensive) or analyzing (effectively) video feeds. Both of which tend to put things more into the GPU realm which drastically increases the cost of a server.

But also? The only way these models can work is with constant data. Which means piping feeds back home for training which basically is never inexpensive.

Aside from that: if it was as simple as you are suggesting then this would be a solved problem. Similarly, if people don’t care about hackers outside of e-sports then there would be no reason for games to spend money on anti-cheat solutions when any match that matters would have heavy scrutiny. And yet, studios keep pumping out the cash for EAC and the like.

Jaded99,

The same way it’s automodderating Reddit to a point that nobody can post anything anymore LOL

Jaded99,

Since human beings are hot garbage and will always cheat, I really enjoyed playing against the AI soldiers in BF. It can also ensure that the game is playable forever OFFLINE.

Where I live I cant play BF4 anymore. Servers are down for my country, but I paid money for the game. Digital media is a scam once the servers go down. That is why I jailbroke every console I own. Ppl are already reviving BF2 with AI bots. The future is looking bright.

Furbag,

Keep that AI horseshit out of video games, thanks.

MonkderVierte,

Pattern recognition anticheat vs. bot based on patterns? I don’t see anyone winning.

callouscomic, do gaming w The Terribly Tragic, Totally Avoidable, Absolute Collapse Of The Gaming Industry

People spend $60+ to go to overpriced movie theaters to eat some food and watch a movie ONCE with a friend or family for about 2 hours, only to no longer have access to it immediately afterwards.

Nobody cares.


People spend $60+ to play a game for potentially tens or hundreds of hours and there’s a chance they might not have access to it years down the road when they likely have forgotten about it anyway.

Everyone loses their fuckin minds.

Faydaikin,
@Faydaikin@beehaw.org avatar

People still go to movie theaters? Wow.

GeeDubHayduke,
DragonTypeWyvern,

Yoink

GeeDubHayduke,
smeg,

What’s going on with your cinema pricing, I don’t think I’ve ever paid more than £6 for a ticket

UnpledgedCatnapTipper,

The ticket is the cheap part ($8-20, give or take). It’s like $20 for some popcorn and a drink, much more if you get something more substantial.

smeg,

That’s not really part of the film though. Just go a couple of hours without eating or bring your own food if it’s that expensive, right?

Arkham,

To be fair, a lot of movie theaters ban bringing in outside food. At least in my experience. I agree with just not eating though. It would certainly be healthier to decouple moviegoing from snacking.

smeg,
Arkham,

Might be a UK thing. Here in the US I don’t think I’ve ever been to a theater that allowed any outside food or drink. I doubt it’s because of safety, I’m pretty sure it’s because it would cut into their profits from concession stand sales.

GammaGames, (edited )

lol, that’s you in the thumbnail

Edit: the thumbnail used to say “you will own nothing” with Cayde-6 giving a thumbs up

Kit, do gaming w ROG Xbox Ally World Premiere Reveal Trailer | Xbox Games Showcase

I think it’s interesting that Microsoft is leaning into Windows on Xbox devices. It lends credibility to the rumor that the next Xbox console will run Steam natively.

Rade0nfighter, do gaming w Resident Evil: Requiem - Reveal Trailer
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