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capt_wolf, do games w We’re Suing Minecraft in a Class Action Lawsuit

Going to copy my post over from the original for anyone wondering why because the description does nothing to explain:

I watched a few minutes of it and finally got to it… If I got it right, the guy suing them wanted to make a mod with guns. Mojang said no and got it shut down. He’s suing because he believes a company shouldn’t have any say over how users might modify their games.

tal, (edited )
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

He could install https://www.luanti.org/ and mod to his heart’s content.

Like, legality aside, he’s fighting to add value to a game whose publisher has tried to prevent him.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I’d say he’s fighting to keep what was legally promised to him in the contract provided to customers.

TimeNaan,

Yeah, you can install multiple gun mods right from the menu.

Zorsith,

Isnt it like, over a decade too late for mojang to complain about a gun mod in minecraft? That ship has long since sailed

joyjoy,

Nobody can stop you from making a Java Edition mod. The only thing you can’t do is sell it.

joyjoy,

Since they need permission, I can only assume they want to sell their mod on the bedrock marketplace. I thought Microsoft controlled that.

shneancy,

there’s 11 pages of results if you search “gun” through Modrinth, you’re absolutely correct

the marketplace is “curated” mods, if the guy wants to make paid mods that go against the “curation” he’s gotta make a patreon or something, and handle his own marketing for it

Cocodapuf,

Seems a stupid thing to sue about. Microsoft has rules about the content you want to sell through them, the content they’re essentially endorsing.

That sounds reasonable.

If you want to make something outside their content limits and you expect them to endorse it… Why? That’s not how anything works.

echodot,

Which was what was done with the weather mod. Mojang didn’t like it because what people really want for weather mod is hurricanes, mojang don’t like anything too destructive like that which you can kind of understand, you can’t really do a normal playthrough with it on.

It makes it a totally different game.

But I don’t think anyone really cared and I don’t think it’s had a particularly adverse effect on the mod developer, they’ve got plenty of backers I doubt there’s any interest in suing mojang over it.

starelfsc2,

Probably why he wanted to sue in the first place but the actual lawsuit is over deleting minecraft accounts that didn’t migrate to Microsoft accounts. That restriction was not present in the original TOS, and seems to be illegal to change without the user accepting a new TOS (that isn’t forced under threat of deleting what you own).

Cethin, do games w [Fredrik Knudsen] Unofficial Skyrim Patch | Down the Rabbit Hole

I love the “you can’t modify my mod because it undermines authoritative intent” and then modifying things like the standing stones because “oh, that’s not the way it’s supposed to work.” Obviously he doesn’t even believe what he says. He just says whatever he needs to to “win” like a true narcissist.

pyre,

the idea of a modder not allowing others to mod their work is hilarious on its own.

that’s like a thief going, “hey don’t touch the things i stole! have some respect for property rights, yeah?”

NoodlePoint,

Not just a thief, the bastard thinks he’s better than the entirety of Bethesda.

pyre,

i mean that’s not a high bar but

Console_Modder, (edited ) do games w [Fredrik Knudsen] Unofficial Skyrim Patch | Down the Rabbit Hole
@Console_Modder@sh.itjust.works avatar

Dude, Arthmoor’s behavior is so fucking shitty and the way he types makes him sound so god damn smug it makes my blood boil. Some people get the smallest amount of power, like being in charge of a fucking mod, and they lose their fucking minds

Edit: the one down vote must be from the man, the myth, the cunt himself: Arthmoor

NoodlePoint, (edited )

Ever since he got control of the patch, it made him kind of “authoritative”, even looking pretty in the eyes of Bethesda 'cause he thinks himself as more “loremonger” than the loremakers, but really flipped his lid upon seeing Obama won.

Also clearly a narcissist.

disco,

Had a feeling he was an American Republican, no mentally sound person acts like that

NoodlePoint,

He is, just that he made ultraconservative statements in his own website, but deleted them later and disabled the site from being archived.

frongt,

The best part is how he hates it when a mod changes something in his mod.

slowcakes, do games w We’re Suing Minecraft in a Class Action Lawsuit

Lmao, the way the video is cut made it impossible to watch, it’s so bad. Why cut every pause between Words, that is probably a lot of work to make the video shitier.

Eyck_of_denesle,

Mr Beast has done unrepairable damage

Zahille7,

Almost all YouTubers do it, especially video essayists and vloggers. I think they’re cutting out anytime they pause or say “um” to keep the video going so there’s not a lot of bullshit.

But who actually knows, I’m just guessing.

brucethemoose,

I only appreciate this because I hate watching videos of, and prefer reading text on subjects like this. Videos are so much slower.

devolution, do games w We’re Suing Minecraft in a Class Action Lawsuit
@devolution@lemmy.world avatar

Why can’t children simply have something they enjoy without some fuckards trying to ruin it?

Like minecraft doesn’t need guns. Or blood. Or pedos. They got Roblox for that.

brucethemoose,

We’re talking about a modder making something as a hobby/passion project, not some suit trying to push that to everyone.

shadowedcross, do games w [Fredrik Knudsen] Unofficial Skyrim Patch | Down the Rabbit Hole
@shadowedcross@sh.itjust.works avatar

Arthmoor is emblematic of the shitty mod authors everywhere, so many of them have massive egos, and exhibit behaviour that’s antithetical to the idea of modding.

NoodlePoint,

Not just mods but also other fanworks – such as fanfiction, fanart, etc. – in that creatives will go to great lengths to protect their work, and start huge flamewars, despite being obviously derivative reinterpretation of the original.

magnetosphere, do games w We’re Suing Minecraft in a Class Action Lawsuit
@magnetosphere@fedia.io avatar

Huh. I think he’s got some good arguments. I wish him luck!

ampersandrew, do games w We’re Suing Minecraft in a Class Action Lawsuit
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

This is awful and stupid. Godspeed, plaintiffs.

beppe, do gaming w People Make Games: It's Time We Talked about Disco Elysium, Again

Im happy to see them reflect on their first video which i disliked quite a bit. I got about halfway through this one and its pretty good, though not that interesting to me anymore. I hope that summer eternal project does well though! looks the most interesting of the offshoot studios to me

NuXCOM_90Percent, (edited ) do games w [Fredrik Knudsen] Unofficial Skyrim Patch | Down the Rabbit Hole

Listening to this on and off between meetings and been vaguely aware of the bullshit over the years (also apparently rampant transphobia) so not sure if this gets addressed in the video but:

ARE there good options if I want bugfixes for Bethesda games without all the “extras”? Back in the day I needed wryebash (?) and the like to have any chance of running my giant Morrowind stack. These days? I just want to play mostly the base game but with less run ending jank.

seralth,

If you want to just play Morrowind. OpenMW is the start and end of your needs. Optionally the I heart vanilla modpack. Which is basically just visual updates and minor fixes.

The game feels and plays like vanilla. But with less cashing and bugs.

Good fucking luck for oblivion or Skyrim. I got nothing.

NuXCOM_90Percent, do games w [Fredrik Knudsen] Unofficial Skyrim Patch | Down the Rabbit Hole

Okay. I am not familiar with Knudsen but holy crap at the number of times he has said “All the good will the community had for arthmoor and the unofficial patch had finally run out. But NEXT TIME, NEXT TIME people won’t be so forgiving…”. Also very much not a fan of the editorializing when he highlights the text from a forum post but does word replacement or puts on a nasty voice.

And I assume the constant Argonian face zoom ins are arthmoor’s avatar or something but… I just kind of giggle every time I look up and see that arg-O-face.

Very informative video but he is no Jacob Gellar or Joseph Anderson. Also… putting some barriers in the way of my half-baked plan to replay the TES series over the next few years. Was really hoping my days of spending hours making mod lists was over.

simple, do games w [Fredrik Knudsen] Unofficial Skyrim Patch | Down the Rabbit Hole
@simple@piefed.social avatar

I was never into Skyrim modding but even I heard all kind of stories from this man. Crazy just how far this drama reached.

csolisr, do games w Battlefield 6 cheats day 1 of early access. Depite kernel level anti cheat, forced secure boot TPM 2.0

Back on Reddit, there were even complaints that EA's anticheat was conflicting with Riot's anticheat. Yep, now you potentially need two different installations of Windows to run each of your games. At this point, you would need to buy several SSDs and a SSD extension (or an external USB reader, since USB speeds nowadays are relatively fast enough to afford running those games from an external drive), then install each game (and operative system) in a different one, and swap between them before booting, just like a cartridge. Same would go, of course, for your actual main GNU/Linux drive that contains your actual personal data - that way, the anticheat can't even see your personal information, as it'd physically unplugged from your computer. And since Windows checks the license per motherboard, not per drive, you should be able to recycle the activation key between your Valorant "cartridge" and your Battlefield "cartridge". At this point, paying for a dedicated game console and the online pass starts becoming attractive...

...That, or just boycott multiplayer games altogether. If your group of friends doesn't mind, of course.

RightHandOfIkaros, (edited )

Didn’t this only happen if you tried to run both games at the same time, which realistically should never be happening? The only time this might trigger is if one anti-cheat misses or drops the command to close for whatever reason and keeps running while the game is closed and you go to play the other game instead.

Both anti-cheats could just whitelist each other, though. Anti-cheats already have software whitelists, there is no reason they can’t add each other. That automatically solves the problem without the consumer or developer needing to do anything other than update their software to the newest version.

sp3ctr4l, do games w Battlefield 6 cheats day 1 of early access. Depite kernel level anti cheat, forced secure boot TPM 2.0

I am still baffled that anyone thinks that Kernel AC is any kind of effective at stopping hacks, people have been literally making a living off of defeating it, and selling those hacks / methods for almost a decade now…

But nope, still got hordes of idiot gamers who think they work, think they’re necessary, think they can’t be spoofed.

burgerpocalyse,

i dont know if you know this, but generally the people buying and playing games arent the ones making the decisions about anticheat

sp3ctr4l,

Not sure how you could read this and come away with the idea that I do believe that…

I am talking about the subset of gamers that go on internet forums and discord servers and make false, unsupported claims as to the effectiveness or necessity or Kernel AC over other forms of AC, tell people this just is how it is now, get with the program, eat the bugs, play the spyware game, its fine, everyone is doing it.

Burninator05,

Indirectly buyers are making a decision on anticheat. If someone buys a game with anticheat, they’ve made the decision to reward the developer for making the decision to include anticheat.

Lucidlethargy,

It’s crazy to me that people cheat in online games. You really have to be a huge fucking loser to do this.

Small pp energy.

rautapekoni,

Small pp energy.

I don’t know what energy this is, but not good either.

Resonosity,

Sadly, I think the financial incentive is too great these days. People make decent money off this shit

aksdb,

The cheat developers, yes. Because there is demand. The question though was, why there is demand.

Resonosity,

There’s demand because there’s supply.

Build it and they will come.

We have to ask the question if cheat developing wasn’t profitable, and even if developers actually operated at a loss, would there be as many cheats on the market as there are now?

Lucidlethargy,

Small pp energy, am I right? Sad little people who want to feel big…

CallMeAnAI, do games w Any Xbox 360 can now be hacked in less than one minute

(x) doubt.

I’m not watching this dumb video to find out about every edge case is being exploited.

Aielman15, (edited )
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not a dumb video and it’s not an edge case. It’s a great video that goes straight to the point, has timestamps, explains in detail how the exploit works and how consistently, and showcases it.

The exploit is BadUpdate v1.2, an evolution of the previously known BadUpdate, which was great as a proof of concept but not very useful in practice, as it required an average of 30 minutes to work, had a success rate of about 30%, and needed to be applied every time the console was rebooted (on a console with no sleep mode, may I add).

By comparison, as shown in the dumb video, the new version of BadUpdate works flawlessly in about a minute (10 max), and has a far greater success rate of about 80%, according to the creator. It can be launched from a USB stick and requires no additional software or hardware modification to the console, and most importantly, works on all X360 and not just earlier editions.

If you’re too lazy to click on a link, fine, but I’d suggest at least not acting so confidently when saying things you know nothing about.

AnUnusualRelic,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

It’s strange that console exploits wouldn’t work consistently on identical hardware with identical firmware. What is it that makes it fail so often?

Aielman15,
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

Quoting from the GitHub’s page:

The exploit is a race condition that requires precise timing and several other conditions to be met for it to trigger successfully. As such it can take a while for that to happen.

Which means that, sometimes, you run the code but it simply fails. When it happens, you can turn off the console and try again.

AnUnusualRelic,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, ok. That makes sense.

DevCuber,
@DevCuber@sh.itjust.works avatar

If i remember correctly, some memory address that needs to be overridden by the exploit is randomized on startup. The only way to find it is to just write to a random address, which often fails

CallMeAnAI,

Relies on USB. Edge case, not happening in the wild.

Aielman15,
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

You should re-read the discussion, because I’m pretty positive you didn’t even get the topic.

We are talking about being able to play pirated games and homebrew apps on the X360. Of course that doesn’t happen in the wild. Unless you think that I woke up one day with a modded PS1.

NOT_RICK,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar
Buddahriffic,

I find your pride in your skepticism confusing. Why even bother commenting?

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