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QubaXR, do games w Naughty Dog’s next game will reportedly offer ‘a lot of player freedom’ | VGC
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News news news, it may also be using a game controller to translate user input into character actions.

mycodesucks, do games w Naughty Dog’s next game will reportedly offer ‘a lot of player freedom’ | VGC
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“Let’s give them lots of player freedom this time!”

Play testers continually don’t look at a set piece vista the developers and artists spent 400 hours creating.

“Well, that’s enough of that. Back to the rails.”

Zorque,

Every WoW developer ever.

Ironically I looked at shit far more when I (finally) got a flying mount in each expansion than I ever did while stuck on the ground.

Katana314,

I’m reminded of the techniques Valve used for this type of thing in the Half-Life episodes.

Say, for instance, they have a bit of destruction physics that they think looks memorable and they want people to see. They’ll have a Combine soldier shoot at you from that direction, to force your attention that way. They may also set the event on a “Look Trigger” so that it will only happen while the player is looking at it.

mycodesucks,
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Yeah. Valve invented most of the attention direction techniques for Half-life (light, motion, etc, etc.) Trailblazers.

Mandy, do games w Naughty Dog’s next game will reportedly offer ‘a lot of player freedom’ | VGC

Open world slop nr 1648371625 les gooo

LouNeko, do games w Naughty Dog’s next game will reportedly offer ‘a lot of player freedom’ | VGC

Last of Us 1: “You have the freedom to kill this doctor, or you can just shoot him in the leg or something.”

Player shoots him in the leg

Last of Us 2:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/218895da-6f0c-4a48-b037-251748d94bda.png

BorgDrone,

I wish TLoU 1 gave you the option to sacrifice Ellie. Have an alternate ending where they find a vaccine and everyone lives happily ever after (except Ellie).

njm1314, do games w Naughty Dog’s next game will reportedly offer ‘a lot of player freedom’ | VGC

Considering the fact that when I think of naughty dog I think of great story-driven games this is just sad.

ampersandrew,
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They’re not opposites. Baldur’s Gate 3 is both of those things, for instance.

njm1314,

Did you mean to reply to someone else?

ampersandrew,
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No, I meant to reply to you. “A lot of player freedom” is not at odds with a great story-driven game, and I gave an example of a game that fits both criteria, so I think it’s unfortunate that the perception is that you can only have one or the other.

barnaclebutt, do games w PlayStation Stars will no longer give credit for money spent on subscriptons

A good reminder to cancel PlayStation plus.

MeatStiq, do games w PlayStation Stars will no longer give credit for money spent on subscriptons

Back to the PS3 era of customer satisfaction. Glad I built my PC. My PS5 just collects dust now.

Pika,
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mine as well, mine was off so long I needed to manually update it via flash drive to connect to the internet for some reason, I just haven’t felt the need to use it

lemonSqueezy, do games w PlayStation Stars will no longer give credit for money spent on subscriptons

I’m not familiar with this points system, but it has a bad smell of monopoly changing of the rule.

donuts, do games w Yakuza creator Nagoshi says the era of game size being most important is coming to an end

Weird. In the West, we’ve been welcoming small(er) but interesting, unique or otherwise impactful games regardless of its size. Complaining about Warzone taking up 250GB on your hard drive and stuff. And that was 2020.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/75cb2fce-0b0c-495f-9725-8cd530b5cb66.jpeg

ampersandrew,
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Not so much the size it takes up on your drive, he’s referring to the breadth and scope of the game itself.

donuts,

You right, my thoughts trailed and I added that last bit even though it didn’t have to do with it, idk why.

caut_R,

I’m struggling to find space on my 500gb Deck and can relate to that

ampersandrew, do games w Yakuza creator Nagoshi says the era of game size being most important is coming to an end
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Here’s hoping! Not only has it ruined a lot of once-smaller games, but it’s also largely responsible for ballooning development budgets, so let’s get that down to something sustainable.

massive_bereavement,

One of the most egregious cases for me was Assassin's Creed Odyssey. There was stuff for 40 hours aplenty, yet I spent most of those 40 hours killing the same goons over and over but with a different number over their heads, which meant I needed to spent more time in doing so.

If they had just aimed at making a memorable 30 or so hours, it would have been way better. This experience made me stop playing any Assassin's whatever games.

Opposite to this, there was "Still Wakes the Deep", which is a rather short but plentiful game.

ampersandrew,
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I haven’t played Still Wakes the Deep, but Indika was that smaller game for me this year, and I’d highly recommend it.

massive_bereavement,

"Indika, a nun looking to adjust to a monastic life. The twist in the tale comes in the form of her companion: she has a connection with the Devil himself"

Oh wow, with that summary count me in!

ampersandrew,
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You have no idea. The opening moments of that game are surprising, even with that blurb and my recommendation, lol.

zante,

Well, the clue is in the name I guess !

That said, I never got bored of odyssey. It was was just a beautiful place to hang out. The game engine was amazing. With NPCs going about their business etc.

I wish someone would just use that engine for more stuff .

massive_bereavement,

I meant it that I really enjoyed the setting, the characters and some game mechanisms. I just hated this need of making the game seemingly endless by repetition, and I wished I didn't have to be level X to be able to do Y, because the only way to level up was churning (for me that's a no bueno).

Potatisen,

That game was soooo good!

scrubbles,
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God of war and Jedi have done great jobs of finally showing AAA they can make a smaller game and still have a great following. I’m so sick of giant Ubisoft worlds that have nothing to do in them. They’re boring.

ampersandrew, (edited )
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I haven’t played the Jedi games, but it’s crazy that the new God of War games are somehow a demonstration of restraint, as that one from 2018 is probably twice as long as I would have liked, and Ragnarok is longer still, according to How Long to Beat.

scrubbles,
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Compare it to a game like AC Valhalla and you’ll think it’s smaller

daddy32,

Ha, you think this is to lower the budget or the price? Come on!

ampersandrew,
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I know this is a cynical critique of capitalism, but even so, capitalists love lowering budgets and charging the same amount. Quite frankly, I’d happily pay the same or more to get a game with less bloat in a lot of cases.

Stern, do games w Yakuza creator Nagoshi says the era of game size being most important is coming to an end
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Infinite Wealth was deffo a bigger map and set thereof then its predecessors (Like a Dragon was also substantially larger, as was Lost Judgment in comparison to its predecessor), but it did absolute numbers, so I dunno about that.

I think it comes down more to if it feels appropriately sized and filled. Prior Yakuzas were bursting at the seems with shit to do everywhere in their smaller maps. Breath of the Wild had new and interesting shit going on everywhere too.

almar_quigley,

I’ve gotta disagree on BotW. I love Zelda games and the mechanics of that game were an amazing shift in the franchise. But that open world was so boring. The same like 4-5 enemies, even the harder variants didn’t have different movesets. TotK was even worse with the depths and a majority of sky islands being empty and devoid of content.

But the e gameplay is so fun it’s a lot easier to forgive them than say AC Odyssey.

jacksilver,

I’ve been saying this since it released. Cool mechanics, but boring world and gameplay. I’m still a bit salty about the loss of real dungeons, nothing in BOTW or TOTK feel as memorable as the previous games.

Daveyborn,
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2 of the 3 maps in infinite wealth were re-used anyways. I really like that they get good mileage from reusing assets they make.

hal_5700X, do games w Yakuza creator Nagoshi says the era of game size being most important is coming to an end

I don’t get why open worlds have to be so big. 95% of the time, they have next to nothing in them.

Maalus,

To be able to say “our map is 100x100km!” The only games where it is worth it to have a huge map like that, is army simulators and RTS. Anything else could probably be better off with polish in some other place, rather than a huge map.

andrew_bidlaw,
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One of the notorious examples in PS3 gen era that’s now can’t be purchased at all. It’s a derpy offroad racing game in what looks like a procedurally generated world emptier than ash deserts in Morrowind.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_(video_game)

Big_Boss_77,

Maybe you can explain this to me… I’ve heard this countless times over the years, but I can’t figure out how it’s measured?

Is it based on if MC is taking average human strides? It seems like a ridiculous metric.

Maalus,

Games / game engines use units which correspond to size IRL. It’s needed to keep scale consistent. The characters are usually around 1.8m tall for instance

SharkAttak,
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Well they gotta have the right balance, otherwise they'd end up be "open small town" instead of "open world"

nawa, do games w Yakuza creator Nagoshi says the era of game size being most important is coming to an end
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Well then why did the newer LaD games have larger maps than Yakuza 0-6? I feel like Kamurocho was the perfect size for a game that’s always on foot, and while I enjoyed LaD 7, I think the map was too large and I had to rely on taxis much more than I did in older games. What they should’ve done is add the underground and interior stuff to Kamurocho instead of switching to a different map.

andrew_bidlaw, (edited )
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He was hired by Tencent after they launched LAD iirc, I remember some news but can’t tell when it happened in the post-covid era.

But I do find small, almost theatrical worldmaps or even sets of locations as a thing writers and designers can use to achieve greater effect. Y5 had Taiga Saejima’s town and mountain locations with vibes very different to what Haruka sees in Sotenboru, and it makes more sense and gives more space for gamedevs to customize these experiences than a gameworld where these are all interconnected walkable locations.

Nexy, do games w Yakuza creator Nagoshi says the era of game size being most important is coming to an end
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I hope so. I want an era of gameplay first again…

zaphod, do games w Yakuza creator Nagoshi says the era of game size being most important is coming to an end

I would say that map size never was “most important”, at least not to the players, they’ve been complaining about huge but empty maps for years (the poster child of this, AC Odyssey was released in 2018, six years ago). It was just something devs and publishers pushed to one up each other in some kind of “bigger = better” way.

andrew_bidlaw,
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One another wound Minecraft opened in CEOs vision of gaming. Another one is everything should have some crafting.

spankmonkey,
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I’m so sick of action rpgs including crafting or an endless list of slightly different weapons. Give me a small mix of situational weapons at most and let the gameplay be how difficulty works.

andrew_bidlaw,
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They don’t need to work on difficulties that long if you can just craft over it lol.

Aviandelight,
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I feel like Fantasy Life did this the best though. I absolutely loved this game and wish it would get a port to PC.

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