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thingsiplay, do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games

No Overwatch in the entire list? Final Fantasy 14 the only FF in the list? No Dota 2 or Leage of Legends? No Batman game?

I know its just opinions and fun, but I’m just very surprised, not angry or anything like that.

Vodulas, (edited )

The Overwatch 2 update was pretty widely hated, so that might be clouding things. I supposed they did put Destiny 2 on there though. It is for sure weird to not see FFVII or an Arkham game. Or hell, Dishonored.

Edit: Whoops missed Dishonored 2.

Skelemental,

@thingsiplay @DdCno1 this list is actually wild. Random flash in the pan games high up but also a bunch of evergreen classics and old games that were revolutionary but largely unplayed today while also missing some of the most popular games on PC. Not sure what this list is supposed to be except maybe engagement bait.

Vodulas,

All lists like this are incredibly subjective and by definition about engagement. I wouldn’t call it bait, but it was definitely created for engagement. That is not necessarily a bad thing since it can generate some fun discussions.

50MYT,

No Factorio either.

This article may as well have been written by AI.

Vodulas,

I’m not AI and I really dislike Factorio. I would say it is a bit of a niche game, but Rimworld also seems niche. Probably just not to anyone at PC Gamer’s taste.

TehPers,

Factorio is not for everyone, but it’s also one of the all stars of its genre. With the upcoming expansion in a couple weeks, it’ll probably eat another few hundred of my free hours over the next few months, and I know I’m not alone on this one.

Vodulas,

Oh, totally. But the folks making the list might not even have thought of it if none of them play it.

50MYT,

You wrote the article?

Vodulas,

No, just saying it would not have made my top 100 list. Seemed like a funny thing to say it is an AI list because of not having Factorio

Ludz,

True, OK everyone has its own preferences but indeed ff7 missing looks surprising, didn’t see lot of city builders (not mentioning wolfenstein, fable, populous, Dk…)

zod000,

Regarding the FF games, I think it’s actually fine considering some of the more notable omissions. Most FF games didn’t get released anywhere near when they were relevant.

thingsiplay,

Sure, but how do you explain then Persona 5 Royal then on place 5 then? Final Fantasy 7 Remake got higher ratings, I think sold more and was surely more popular on PC, right? Red Dead Redemption 2 was also released on PC when it anywhere near its initial relevance. Metal Gear Solid 3 or Mass Effect Legendary Edition is even worse, because those games are much much older.

Also Portal behind Slay the Spire? Team Fortress 2 34 places behind Hunt: Showdown 1896? So strange! These Valve games were revolutionary and defined their genre with huge number of players and fanbase.

My point is just, that the given argumentation here doesn’t hold up to me. But that is what you get if you ask people for their opinion. It’s just that and it will always surprise you.

zod000,

The list is honestly bizarre and the rank placements are all over the place. Most of your later examples of that I completely agree with. I just think that the mainline FF games not being on the top 100 list of PC games is fairly understandable, and I say that as a huge fan of the series. Ironically, FF14 is quite literally the only game in the series that I haven’t played.

Stovetop, do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing

ITT: people think emulators are only the ones you can download

dustyData,

In this comment: Someone who is not familiar with the history of Nintendo selling pirated versions of their own games and ripping off pirate emulators then passing them as their own.

TeoTwawki,
@TeoTwawki@lemmy.world avatar

or the history of nintendo falsely claiming that emulation itself was an illegal practice when trying to bully and scare people into submission…

JackbyDev,

Did the terms of the emulators they ripped off allow them to? Not saying it’s morally okay.

theneverfox, do games w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

Doesn’t steam have a clause to the effect of “if we go out of business, you’ll get X period to download your games so you can manage them yourself”?

Whitebrow,

If there’s a grace period, perhaps, however:

  1. Steam does not provide installers for games, this means that whatever game you want, needs to be 100% functional and already be parsed/deployed/installed by steam on your hard drive.
  2. That game needs to be DRM free, meaning that it has an executable available that can be launched without steam running or requiring any sort of authentication or input from the steam servers/services before being able to launch, play or even interact with the menus

So only the DRM free games will remain, and only the installed ones at that. Anything that wasn’t will be lost to the wind the moment the distribution service or storage (yours or theirs) bits the dust…

theneverfox,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar
  1. installers for games are usually just a script that unzips the game and makes some shortcuts. Steam installs all your games in a standard way in a folder of your choice. You can straight up copy that folder to another computer. You can use another launcher and just play your games, there are already many that can read steam’s standardized format. I’ve done it multiple times to avoid redownloading my library
  2. It depends how steam sunsets their DRM, but yes - obviously if a game has 3rd party DRM, that third party is in control. Steam could choose a user hostile way to sunset their own DRM, but they could release ways to deactivate it

DRM is bad, steam provides an easy way for developers to use steam DRM, and it’s generally less user hostile than most DRM. To me, this seems like harm reduction

Ultimately, it’s not up to steam what, if any, DRM a game uses. They manage their in house offering, but the developer doesn’t have to use it if they don’t want to

Veneroso,

I don’t know if it’s a clause but Gabe said it at one point. Is that legally binding though? It wouldn’t surprise me one bit that whatever VC eventually buys steam and then runs it into the ground would have no problem changing the user agreement to whatever suited them…

theneverfox,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

I think I read in the steam agreement itself - I could be wrong, but I generally have a source tagged to my knowledge, and the knowledge is tagged as a direct quote from the document

And yes, if a VC buys out steam I’d be horrified, but it’s structurally resistant to that. It’s largely employee owned and heavily employee managed, their handbook helped me understand the concept of how employee owned businesses could be the answer to many of society’s problems

HKayn,
@HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

It’s not legally binding, since it isn’t part of the user agreement you review when buying games on Steam.

DragonOracleIX,

Even if that’s not the case, the drm is very easy to crack.

Caligvla, do games w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'
@Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Sure, and if you don’t uninstall Galaxy, go through some hidden menus and download the installers then your GOG games will be gone regardless.

Aielman15, (edited )
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

You don’t need to ever interact with Galaxy to play your games, not even to download the offline installer. And the download option is not hidden on the website.

TallonMetroid,
@TallonMetroid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s a failure to download the installers to begin with, not them being taken away from you after the fact.

jherazob, do gaming w The Doom mod that turns Margaret Thatcher into an undead cyberdemon has been removed by Bethesda yet again, this time for 'disobeying a ZeniMax employee'
@jherazob@beehaw.org avatar

There should be a crowdfunding to project a giant looping video of this mod in front of their offices for a year

Malix, do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 devs considered a first-person dialogue camera, weren't sure it would have cinematics: 'the next thing we know they're zooming in on a goblin toe'
@Malix@sopuli.xyz avatar

Okay, sure, when given the fps camera, closest things to the camera are getting noticed. Duh?

But all things considered, who cares about a single goblin toe? Im much more scarred about the thongs happening in nearby shed. Bleach please.

But at that scale there’s always gonna be compromises. Duh. Does somebody actually expect full fidelity between 3rd person and closeups all the time? Might be showing my age but I sure don’t. What kind of madnes is that?

Games don’t need the show everything, leave a bit to imagination. Sure visuals ate cool, but don’t let that be all there is to it.

RageAgainstTheRich, do games w Shadows of Doubt, the procgen private-eye immersive sim, is leaving early access next month

I love this game. But there is a bug that causes some missions to be unsolvable. They really need to fix that before releasing it fully…

at_an_angle,
@at_an_angle@lemmy.one avatar

What do you mean? Knowing only the hair color isn’t enough info? Lol

echodot,

I had one which turned out to be the cop that did it. I have no idea if that was intentional or a bug but it was certainly funny.

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

That sounds very realistic to me.

GoodEye8, (edited )

I’m pretty sure some of them are objectively broken. I had a mission where the mission givers partner was seeing someone else and I had to figure out who. The process of figuring out who the person was was pretty cool. Outside of some vague physical traits my leading clue was the mystery persons partners job position. I had to look up every restaurant, break into every single restaurant, find all the people who worked that position, find where they live, break into their apartments to find who their partner was and if they match who I’m looking for.

Eventually I was 99% sure I got the right person, but I needed proof they were seeing each other. I combed their entire apartment, found nothing. I combed the partners apartment, found nothing. I checked their workplaces, found nothing. I tailed both of them the entire day, still found nothing. I even checked their mailboxes and found nothing. I literally ran out of ideas how to solve the case because I found nothing.

Turned me away from the game because I got this cool investigation with some really out the box thinking, and then didn’t get rewarded because I didn’t find that last piece of information.

DarkCloud,

Unsolvable crimes? That’s actually very realistic.

Mautobu, do games w Blizzard's World of Warcraft team has unionized

That’s incredible. Excellent work!

Jimbabwe, do gaming w In 1989, a Nintendo bigwig licensed SimCity on the spot by sliding a million dollar check across the table

Note to future self: suggest this for consideration at book club

Zozano, do gaming w Hidetaka Miyazaki 'knows for a fact' other FromSoftware devs want a Bloodborne PC port: 'If I say I want one, I'll get in trouble, but it's nothing I'm opposed to'
@Zozano@aussie.zone avatar

It’s bound to happen.

Sony has been breaking into the PC space for a bit now.

Ilandar, do gaming w Hello, PC gaming here: Are the consoles OK?

The one holdout among the console makers is Nintendo, whose PC strategy is still to threaten fan projects with lawsuits. Perhaps I do not have to hand it to Nintendo for this, but as a result of its obstinance, the Switch is the only console I’d consider buying as a PC gamer. Nintendo remains a one-of-a-kind gaming company, whereas Xbox and PlayStation feel less and less distinguishable from gaming at large—aka PC gaming.

I’m not sure about this analysis of the Switch’s success. The “lawsuit” argument is pretty irrelevant; the console would sell regardless of whether emulation existed (as it has, for most of the big titles and for much of the console’s life). I think the “one-of-a-kind” argument is accurate, but I’d also suggest that the very wide library of games is a major reason why Nintendo has performed so well in this generation. The Switch appeals to almost every single type of gamer - there is so much variety there. Additionally, the portability is clear point of difference: for many, the Switch is more like a handheld that they can occasionally play on the TV, rather than a traditional home console. And finally, the Switch is just a more affordable option and that has mattered a lot since 2020.

Katana314, do gaming w Hello, PC gaming here: Are the consoles OK?

Some things to say back to this:

Most people now have the console they prefer, and it’s lasting them. They don’t necessarily need new consoles. This is true EVEN if that console is a PS4, Xbox One, or Switch. They don’t get everything, but a surprising number of major releases still come to all those destinations.

It’s still nicely convenient to have consoles for less setup and configuration. Some people manage really complex problems for their work and home projects already - a desktop computer may be beyond their tolerance.

juice702, do gaming w Hello, PC gaming here: Are the consoles OK?

I’ve never been into this pc vs console cringe fest of an argument. I’ve always been a pc gamer, but guess what, some exclusives only come to consoles. If I want to play that exclusive enough and I have expendable cash, I’ll buy it. I still prefer to play on pc over any of the consoles, but a ps5 is a solid system.

lilja,
@lilja@lemmy.ml avatar

I haven’t had a gaming-capable PC for about a decade and I’m very happy with my PS5 (and the PS4 before it). Sony bringing exclusives to PC don’t feel like the end times as it’s just a way for them to make more money.

I’m genuinely glad that PC players will get to experience some of the great games that have been on the PS5 in the last few years.

Empricorn, (edited )

It’s literally brave of you to come to this community and this thread and say that you love your console. And then to express positivity for PC users! You are exactly what we need more of in gaming.

Lettuceeatlettuce, do gaming w GOG will let you bequeath your game library to someone else as long as you can prove you're actually dead
@Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml avatar

My ghost will haunt GoG’s corporate offices until they relent and transfer my games to the person who’s name I keep creepily spelling with frost on their mirrors & windows.

NauticalNoodle, (edited ) do gaming w Indie dev baffled after acquaintance clones his game, puts it on Steam, and acts like it's no big deal: 'Happens every day homie'

I guess my only takeaway is that if I want to protect my IP then anyone who has access to the software should be required to sign a terms & agreement that specifically written to prevent this kind of thing, regardless IANAL, but i’m pretty sure this is all legal according to copyright law. The engine and therefore the code is different, the assets are custom and slightly different. If this were a trademark or patent related case then there might be a something else to go on.

SpaceCowboy,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah pretty much. You can’t copyright gameplay mechanics, so there’s nothing illegal about it. It’s just a dick move.

BigPotato,

Tell that to Zod’s snapped neck the nemesis system.

AdrianTheFrog,
@AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world avatar

That’s a patent, not copyright.

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