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User79185, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

You need to have $500 gpu to hit 60fps with 1080p native, this is hilariously bad.

SailorFuzz,

I haven’t seen a $500 gpu in near a decade. Even used. If you see a $500 gpu today, I guarantee you it can’t run Borderlands 4.

Vinny_93, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

I haven’t looked at the performance reviews per system yet but I recall the complaints for Borderlands 3 mainly came from people trying to run it on an old i5 with a 1060 or similar. You need a high end system, that much is clear. Or you need to get comfortable with 30 fps.

I’m not saying Randy is right to strike that tone, but you can’t deny there is a point to saying that some games are meant to be played on powerful systems and won’t accept anything less.

EncryptKeeper,

Sure, but powerful systems don’t run it too well either. Especially given how mediocre the game looks visually.

Fubarberry,
@Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz avatar

People with high end systems (5090s etc) are apparent having a lot of performance issues, and are unable to run the game at 60fps/4k without AI upscaling or frame generation.

There’s also a lot of complaints about stuttering, and the game wouldn’t launch at all for a lot of people when it first came out.

pivot_root,

People with high end systems (5090s etc) are apparent having a lot of performance issues, and are unable to run the game at 60fps/4k without AI upscaling or frame generation.

It’s even better when you realize that the performance degrades the longer you’ve been playing that session. It’s unoptimized and leaky.

snugglesthefalse,

My complaint about borderlands 3 was the cringe main antagonists. Like I’m happily shooting stuff and they hop in with painfully mediocre snippets of whatever they’re supposed to be doing. Also they killed off one of the best characters. The gunplay felt nice, the music and graphics were good. I didn’t have any real technical issues.

Goodeye8,

Sure, in theory. In practice we're talking about 3k machines struggling to hit 60FPS (dropping as low as 30fps on occasions) on max settings with DLSS on. A 3k machine gets you high setting low 70 FPS with DLSS on. If a 3k machine is not a high end system what the fuck is a high end system? And the bigger issue is what exactly are we paying for here? Borderlands 4 doesn't even look significantly better than Borderlands 3. There's no reason for the game to be this performance heavy when it looks like a game from 2019.

You have a point in some hypothetical scenario but in actuality this is a case of Randy being full of shit.

MangoPenguin,

Its a recent AAA game on a modern game engine, so it probably runs awful even on top of the line hardware.

Basically every game that comes out these days in the AAA space is a horrible unoptimized mess.

Kolanaki, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

I am a premium gamer; if you want me to play your premium game, you’ll need to subscribe to me for $29.99/month or $324/year (that’s a 10% discount from the month to month!)

Korhaka, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

I’ll play something cheaper then

Coelacanth, do gaming w I fixed Borderlands 4's stuttering issue by upping my shader cache size to 100 GB, which feels like something I shouldn't have to do in a well-optimised game
@Coelacanth@feddit.nu avatar

250GB install sizes plus an additional 100GB shader caches. This is what the future looks like, buckle up.

Montagge,

250GBs? Cries in DSL

ltxrtquq,

SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS MINIMUM:

Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system OS: Windows 10 / Windows 11 Processor: Intel Core i7-9700 / AMD Ryzen 7 2700X Memory: 16 GB RAM Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 / AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT / Intel Arc A580 Storage: 100 GB available space Additional Notes: Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system. Requires 8 CPU Cores for processor. Requires 8 GB VRAM for graphics. SSD storage required

oxysis,

Holy shit a 2070 for minimum specs!!!

oxysis,

Game doesn’t look good enough to justify a 20 series card, probably has mandatory raytracing but holy fuck that’s bad

snooggums,

Nah, this is just one horribly unoptimized game.

Jrockwar,

For a cartoon game.

With the aesthetics they have, this could have been playable on the steam deck without anybody noticing the difference in graphics.

Why do they need 2-billion-polygon rocks only to flatten them all out and make it look like a cardboard cutout? It’s ridiculous.

Quill7513,

managers have insane priorities

MangoPenguin,

It could have looked like BL2 with a few upgrades and more physics and that would have been fine.

SmoochyPit,

BL2 even had some PhysX simulations when using an Nvidia card for particles and effects, so between those and running at higher internal resolutions and framerates, it’s already better than the new one in some areas.

CaptainBlinky, do gaming w I fixed Borderlands 4's stuttering issue by upping my shader cache size to 100 GB, which feels like something I shouldn't have to do in a well-optimised game

Funny thing, that. It’s not a well-optimised game. That’s the problem.

orca, do gaming w I fixed Borderlands 4's stuttering issue by upping my shader cache size to 100 GB, which feels like something I shouldn't have to do in a well-optimised game

So what I’m hearing is that it’s not even worth trying to play on a Steam Deck 😂

morbidcactus, (edited )

I did it for the hell of it, I think it had 60-80 fpm after the opening cutscene, literal slideshow experience.

There’s people on proton db claiming higher frames, but like 18-22 fps, def far from playable

Wahots, do gaming w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

There’s a fourth borderlands game? IDGAF if it even comes to steam this time, silksong is $20.

belated_frog_pants, do gaming w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash

I wouldn’t buy this game if every outfit gave it an 11/10. Fuck this idiot

rem26_art, do gaming w I fixed Borderlands 4's stuttering issue by upping my shader cache size to 100 GB, which feels like something I shouldn't have to do in a well-optimised game
@rem26_art@fedia.io avatar

in 3 years PC build guides are gonna be like "You need 3 drives in your gaming PC. One for the OS (this can be small, its not important), at least 2TB for games, and another 1TB for the shaders for those games. Oh and you'll need a top of the line Nvidia card because even a dumb UE5 asset dump game like Notary Simulator won't run on a budget card"

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

Or just have DLSS run the game at 480p, but upscale it to 4k! You’ll never notice the difference we swear!

Shayeta,

For AAA games, that might be the case.

MagicShel, do gaming w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash

Not me, then. Cool. Thanks for letting me know.

Tattorack, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

In other words:

“We don’t want to put resources towards optimising our product. We don’t care if the methods we built our product with make it more difficult to use, while regressing in several key visual aspects. The burdon of our shortcomings will be placed on the end user, who will have to spend their resources to out-power them.”

Switorik, do gaming w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash

Or hear me out, you can give your developers time to optimize the game. I hate the direction most AAA games are going.

Deyis,

It’s unacceptable for games from big studios to be released in such a shoddy state. At this point, the best bet as a consumer is to wait 3 months before buying anything.

DieserTypMatthias, do gaming w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash
@DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml avatar

This is how a game dies.

MushuChupacabra, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'
@MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world avatar

Message received. Never pay for this game.

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